Tea Party racist remarks
 

I know that I should not say that Tea Party members are racists - BUT yesterday, I went to the Rotary Club Chili Contest at Spanish Springs and did stop at the information table of the Tea Party. I stopped to actually get information - and not to cause trouble. That is 100% honest.

The lady I spoke with was a personable individual. We had some things in common like she came from the same area of Washington DC 'burbs as I do. This woman said, after giving me some pamphlets on religious freedom and tolerance, that the Washington suburbs are now "like Africa and we have an African in the White House". She went on to say there are too many Muslims and Africans in the area and she is glad that she owns a gun.

Is this representative of a party of inclusion? I am being 100% honest about the conversation - as well as her husband trying to keep her quiet.

apology
 

as a Tea Party supporter and one who gave out information at the chilli cookoff in lake sumter landing, i apologize for this lady's choice of words..she is only one person and is entitled to her own opinions but is certainly not representative of everyone in the movement...what is true of everyone i have met is that we all care deeply about our country and are working hard to see that it moves in the direction we believe is best and truest to our values and constitution. it is unfortunate that of all the topics this lady could have discussed, she got off on that tangent...she apparently believes our president was born in kenya, which has not been disproved to the satisfaction of many. the growing muslim presence in our country is a matter of legitimate concern to anyone knowledgeable about radical islam...these topics do not have to be considered racist when taken in context of current issues, but the manner in which they are discussed certainly needs to be serious and respectful.

Substitute "Irish" for "Africans" and "Catholics" for "Muslim" in that conversation and it'll be like stepping back in time 100 years.

Why in the world would they post HER at the information table. Surely they knew her views.

Not sure why your attemtp to stir as always would include my name, as you have NEVER heard me offer support of any kind of the Tea Party, except in principle.

Having said that...if one person at the table at The Villages represents to you the entire Tea Party movement, then you have a more serious problem than suspected.

Which left wing or Democrat personna would you like me to choose to represent your leanings and call that movement a racist ?

You have a very serious problem with hate of anything and anybody who does not totally and completely agree with you and what is scary you have no problem with manifesting it.

As for disgusting, most of your posts on here disgust me.

There is not defense for bigotry on any level at any place...this post is typical of you however and not surprising

Biden's comment on Obama, a Democrat as usual playing the race card

I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Here is now the Vice President of the US saying things like this and he gets a pass

One point does not make a curve!!!
 

We always are impressed by the minority representation in or of anything!

btk

Every group does have those in it that are not indicators of the entire group. The Tea Party certainly does have some valid points to it that I agree with - as well as some that I do not agree with. I am not going to condemn the Tea Party for the personal viewpoint of some of their members. I am disgusted, though, with racist remarks and I hope everyone else who reads this forum agrees that racism in the US should not be tolerated.

Tea Party
 

African, Irish ,Catholic Muslim some good some bad. Obama will always be considered "African" because he never has acknowledged his love for America, never. I am not a birther but you can't ignore the fact that he refuses to be more transparent about his birth place and his educational documents????? And so he leaves himself wide open.

In my hometown in Minnesota the large Somali community is wreaking havoc in business and on the streets. A fair number have been caught on their way to Al Qeada training camps. They are pushing hard to replace American jurisprudence with Sharia law, In fact demanding it The 20th terrorist who was to be involved in 9/11 was completing his pilot training in Minneapolis In that context I can understand, but not agree with this tea party member's laments. She is frightened and has a right to be. This country of ours is in a very deep idealogical struggle. The great melting pot is melting right before our eyes . I am not a tea party member but strongly support their movement because it is right and just.

Speaking of, how about another friendly rally from our friends on the left. Isn't it interesting that you would NEVER see this reported by the mainstream media. Wonder what would happen if this was a tea party rally? Hum...

Warning. Some strong language.


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dk
 

The facts are that this is a world wide discussion. At the annual Munich Security Conference devoted to foreign policy and defense PM David Cameron denounced multiculturalism placing the subject at the center of the Western security agenda (WSJ circa 2/9/11). We need factual and civil discourse about this issue which poltical correctness has prevented in the past. People of all faiths and races welcome ths dialogue knowing that in each segment of a society there are a few offenders which has nothing to do with race color or creed. David Cameron's statement was intended to address home-grown terrorist. This is a good thing as we need to embrace the reality of this changing world and effectively deal with it. I am afraid my friends on the left keeping tipping over their PC and get past it. But then that is my opinion and I could be wrong.

I do wonder why no one ever asked to see Bush,Clinton,Bush,Reagan,Carter birth certificates. What is the difference between them and Pres. Obama? Just asking.

They were born in the USA?

very astute..
 

dklassen, your reply has given me a very rare laugh on this forum...well done!

Yeah a big difference :BigApplause::BigApplause:

so we have 3 birthers here? Also did they ever offer proof or were even asked to give proof of their citizenship. Is their word better than Obamas? Still have not been convinced they were born in USA.

I guess you should make that 4 birthers. I'm sure, if requested, the above mentioned would be happy to give proof of their birth.

So, why all the secrecy:lipsrsealed:, for God's sake? What's the big deal? Just show the stupid birth certificate and put an end to ALL of the speculation :rant-rave:

This link shows the birth certificate. It has been verified.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html

Too much time has been wasted on this matter. Obama IS the President of the USA. He is YOUR President as much as Bush was my President.

Need For Discourse On Political Correctness
 

No, I don't think you're wrong. But I'm not sure that those that might resist such discourse are either left or right. But one thing is for sure...the ACLU would almost certainly vocally and legally resist any such discussion.

By the way, it was a pleasure to go to a class at The Villages College of Lifelong Learning last night and see an American flag prominently displayed in the front of the classroom. Being a private charter school we can do that here. But in the interest of political correctness, our national flag is not required to be displayed in public school classrooms in the U.S--outside and near the school, yes, but not necessarily inside each classroom. In many classrooms it is not. And in fact, there have been examples in the West where the Mexican flag was displayed with equal prominence with the Stars and Stripes in public school classrooms.

Only 36 of the states require that the Pledge of Allegiance be recited by public school students each day. And among many of those states, Florida included, the law specifically provides that reciting the Pledge is optional and any student can refuse to participate.

It's no wonder our culture, our society, our country are showing such cracks in our foundation.

I noticed "Administrator" under your name - exactly what are you administrator of?

That's a good
 

one. Lol

Birthers
 

As I understand it Obama has only produced a digitalized copy of his birth certificate. So let me see if this makes any sense. a golfer using an executive golf course here in the villages never could get away with using a photocopy of his ID card to get on a course here, yet Obama is vetted, if he was, can just produce a copy of his birth certificate. he can block the original along with all information pertaining to his days at University, etc. I know more about Mallard Fillmore than I do Obama and Obama is the one that campaigned on transparcency. This is my opinion and i may be wrong and welcome any editorial comments from fellow members whhich may alter my point of view.

I could not get MY original birth certificate. That's PERMANENTLY in the records in Providence, RI. What I CAN get are notarized copies and certified reproductions whenever I want (provided I pay the fee). If I started walking around WITH THE ORIGINAL, then the state wouldn't have it for THEIR records.

What part of this do people not understand?

Certified copy
 

DJ is absolutely correct. You can get a certified copy (raised seal) of your birth certificate - not the original. Pres. Obama's birth certificate has been certified from Hawaii.

By the way, Rubicon, Mallard Fillmore is the cartoon character in the Daily Sun and Millard Fillmore is the president. Probably was just a slip on the keyboard, wasn't it?

Mallard Fillmore Is What I Meant
 

My intent was to compare Mallard Fillmore with Obama. Millard Fillmore was a president and had a Glen named after him in upstate New York. As I understand it and the reason I mention the "digitalized copy is that it is not a "complete reproduction of the original meaning substantive information is missing. Perhaps there would be a lot of people with egg on their face if the truth were know, perhaps not? The truth will be a matter of history and hence not be known in our lifetime. I will admit that the birthers claim and the rational they advance does give one to pause.

However, I prefer to focus my attention and tme on demanding all politicians keep their campaign promises and in that endeavor I favor no political party. Obama happens to be another pol who promised so much and returned more unbroken promises, the largest % of GDP we have ever had and the threat of more taxes, inflation, expanding government and more spending. Like many citizens I e-mailmy representatives voicing my support or displeasure.

Certified?; not quite. A birth certificate has not been found. There's some sort of notation written down, but no certificate as yet. Hawaii's governor tried to help and only fueled the fire. It's pretty hilarious.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=252833

Certified
 

RichieLion there was an extensive article in more than one newspaper detailing those facts along with the total amount Obama has paid to fighting off the lawsuits demanding he produce his birth certificate. It also made mention of the fact that all of his college records have been sealed and that of his wife.
The truth is stranger than fiction and so it could well be that in all the hype on his way to high office no one bother to vet him. I mean most mistakes are because someone forgot the basics. Quite honestly I prefer to be wrong here because if it is true our poltical system is in worse shape than any of us could imagine. this is my opinion and I could be wrong so i welcome editorial comments from member who may have information that would change my propsective.

I shouldn't be here in political but I was just reading through and saw this post.

DKlassen is one of the three men who run/own this forum. He has the power to remove any of our posts or us if we misbehave. Thus he is called..............

Good Lord!!
 

The country has been at war for over a decade...we're headed for financial ruin and massive changes in our way of life...and our children are the first generation in U.S. history who have no reasonable expectation that their lives will be better than their parents and grandparents.

And people in this forum are arguing about a birth certificate?

Unbelievable!!

It's just a curious thing VK. It's such a simple thing to put this issue to rest and as yet it cannot be done. Why?

"when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable , must be the truth." (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle)

Anyway, I've resolved to give Obama the same respect that liberals gave Bush. I really don't think I'm harsh enough yet; do you?

Whatever Makes You Happy
 

Do whatever makes you happy, Richie. But while the Bush-faithful bash Obama, which will surely lead to the Obama-faithful bashing someone who will replace him as President, all the problems facing this country will remain. In fact, they'll probably become even more critical.

Do you think that it might be in our common best interest at some point, for everyone to simply get behind whichever leaders we democratically elect and try to get them to focus on addressing the issues threatening our country and our way of life?

Simply, I fail to understand how people of either political stripe get satisfaction from the back-and-forth criticism and personal assault, knowing full well that the effect is to shroud and obscure the real problems facing the country and the very apparent inadequacy of the governance produced by this system.

VK....you are absolutely correct in what you say !!!!

HOWEVER, RICHIE has a great point and I agree we must get past it...this President came on board and painted himself as someone who is "above the fray" and has become a major player in that fray.

I still have not gotten over the vile and despicable names that were used to paint the President of the US ON THIS BOARD ALONE and while I understand the need to move past that, I must say that RICHIE has a point. Perhaps if folks like you would admit to the fact that it was pretty one sided for quite some time and VERY VERY VILE, it could settle down, but nobody will !

I have gotten over it but cannot forget my President being called such vulger things. I oppose this President's policies with all my strength but would never stoop to the level of the dialogue of the last President's years in office.