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ithos 06-19-2025 08:01 AM

Karen Read. Not Guilty but was she innocent?
 
One of the most controlversial trials in decades. If she was innocent then there is a fair amount of police corruption in MA. Multiple state police officers were punished. It was so egregious that the FBI was involved.

There were approximately 3000 people outside the courthouse when the verdict was read.
To me the evidence is overwhelming that she is INNOCENT but many believe she was guilty.
Karen Read cleared of murdering her Boston cop boyfriend sparking wild cheering outside court | The Independent

Taltarzac725 06-19-2025 09:01 AM

Death of John O'Keefe - Wikipedia Death of John O'Keefe - Wikipedia


I had not been following it.

Caymus 06-19-2025 09:05 AM

Her lawyer did a great job. Let's see what happens in the civil trial.

ithos 06-19-2025 09:25 AM

One of the most amazing facts of the story was the O'keefe, a Boston police officer, was found dead on the front lawn of a fellow Boston police officer, Brian Albert. Despite the massive police investigation going on in front of his house for hours, he never walked out to see what was happening. Even more bizarre, the police never knocked on the door to search or seek witness testimony.

ElDiabloJoe 06-19-2025 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2439994)
One of the most amazing facts of the story was the O'keefe, a Boston police officer, was found dead on the front lawn of a fellow Boston police officer, Brian Albert. Despite the massive police investigation going on in front of his house for hours, he never walked out to see what was happening. Even more bizarre, the police never knocked on the door to search or seek witness testimony.

Yes, smells unusual.

Topspinmo 06-19-2025 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe (Post 2440001)
Yes, smells unusual.

Not surprised, Boston one of most corrupt cities in America. Leo brotherhood runs deep corruption and kickbacks. IMO suspect it was brotherhood take out?

Caymus 06-19-2025 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2440007)
Not surprised, Boston one of most corrupt cities in America. Leo brotherhood runs deep corruption and kickbacks. IMO suspect it was brotherhood take out?

But why? Covering up payoffs, bribes, drugs?

Taltarzac725 06-19-2025 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2439983)
Death of John O'Keefe - Wikipedia Death of John O'Keefe - Wikipedia


I had not been following it.

Just from a quick look at the above referenced article if I had been on the jury I would have found the wife innocent. Not enough solid evidence against her.

blueash 06-19-2025 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2440027)
Just from a quick look at the above referenced article if I had been on the jury I would have found the wife innocent. Not enough solid evidence against her.

As you know with your background, the jury is not tasked with finding a defendant innocent. They have only one decision in a criminal trial, guilty or not guilty. Innocent does not equal not guilty. Not guilty only means the prosecution failed to meet the burden of proof of beyond a reasonable doubt. See Simpson, O J

Taltarzac725 06-19-2025 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2440034)
As you know with your background, the jury is not tasked with finding a defendant innocent. They have only one decision in a criminal trial, guilty or not guilty. Innocent does not equal not guilty. Not guilty only means the prosecution failed to meet the burden of proof of beyond a reasonable doubt. See Simpson, O J

I was answering the original post. The case against the lady was not there. And I thought OJ Simpson was anything but innocent but the prosecutor did not present a strong enough case. Same with Casey Anthony. But with this woman I would lean towards innocent from what is presented in the Wikipedia article.

ithos 06-19-2025 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2440034)
As you know with your background, the jury is not tasked with finding a defendant innocent. They have only one decision in a criminal trial, guilty or not guilty. Innocent does not equal not guilty. Not guilty only means the prosecution failed to meet the burden of proof of beyond a reasonable doubt. See Simpson, O J

There is no doubt in my mind she was innocent. The injuries on the deceased was not caused by a large SUV. Also the tail light was only slightly cracked as evidenced by video and witness testimony after the time of the crime. And no way were the horizontal gashes on the arm inflicted by a tail light. Also there was incontrovertible evidence that he entered the house from his iphone data.
And there was so much more.

I believe that some of the jurists at the first trial were of the mind that all police are honest and that their testimony should not be questioned.

fdpaq0580 06-19-2025 05:27 PM

Ahem. Reasonable Doubt! Jury dismissed.

BrianL99 06-19-2025 06:16 PM

About $4,000,000 was spent by the Commonwealth of MA.

All they proved, was John O'Keefe is dead and Karen Read was drunk, the night he died.

ithos 06-19-2025 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2440080)
Ahem. Reasonable Doubt! Jury dismissed.

True in the eyes of the law. But considering the effect on future employment, it is far better to be perceived as innocent than the lower threshold of not guilty. OJ found that out.

ithos 06-19-2025 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2440085)
About $4,000,000 was spent by the Commonwealth of MA.

All they proved, was John O'Keefe is dead and Karen Read was drunk, the night he died.

In Massachusetts, they take "Back the Blue" to a much higher level.


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