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David from Denver 07-21-2025 03:34 PM

Suggestion to create safe golf car crossing Morse at CR 466
 
The issue is how golf cars can safely cross both SB and NB car traffic lanes on Morse Blvd without having to merge into the SB lane, waiting for NB traffic to clear, then cross.

To accomplish this, I propose:

1) NB gate operations continue as is
2) Move the SB gate back (north) 100-200 ft. (Yes, electricity required)
3) Install video cameras at each corner of building
4) Install and connect Artificial Intelligence (AI) to the cameras
5)Write "IF", "THEN" AI scenarios to control gates, such as:
a) IF 2 or more golf cars have been waiting > 2 minutes, THEN lower BOTH SB and NB gates to allow safe crossing of golf cars of BOTH lanes of car traffic
b) IF only 1 golf car waiting, THEN max wait time is 4 minutes (example only)
c) IF NB Morse starts to back up, THEN .........

These are only a few examples of "IF" "THEN" scenarios that can be imagined, however AI can be programmed for thousands of situations.

I am aware of other challenges, such as 911 vehicles, power outages, car wrecks, etc.
Some of these challenges may be eliminated by maintaining current staffing, using AI only for notification of traffic issues.

6) Install Red/Green signal lights to notify golf cars they can SAFELY cross both lanes of Morse without stopping in the middle median.

This is just a baseline that perhaps someone waaay smarter than me can take and run with.

BillyGrown 07-21-2025 04:55 PM

AND If
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by David from Denver (Post 2447573)
The issue is how golf cars can safely cross both SB and NB car traffic lanes on Morse Blvd without having to merge into the SB lane, waiting for NB traffic to clear, then cross.

To accomplish this, I propose:

1) NB gate operations continue as is
2) Move the SB gate back (north) 100-200 ft. (Yes, electricity required)
3) Install video cameras at each corner of building
4) Install and connect Artificial Intelligence (AI) to the cameras
5)Write "IF", "THEN" AI scenarios to control gates, such as:
a) IF 2 or more golf cars have been waiting > 2 minutes, THEN lower BOTH SB and NB gates to allow safe crossing of golf cars of BOTH lanes of car traffic
b) IF only 1 golf car waiting, THEN max wait time is 4 minutes (example only)
c) IF NB Morse starts to back up, THEN .........

These are only a few examples of "IF" "THEN" scenarios that can be imagined, however AI can be programmed for thousands of situations.

I am aware of other challenges, such as 911 vehicles, power outages, car wrecks, etc.
Some of these challenges may be eliminated by maintaining current staffing, using AI only for notification of traffic issues.

6) Install Red/Green signal lights to notify golf cars they can SAFELY cross both lanes of Morse without stopping in the middle median.

This is just a baseline that perhaps someone waaay smarter than me can take and run with.

Never ever work. There are other “if”s requiring humanoid action. Like the if, if the gate is broken by a car, or if the cameras are fogged from a storm, or if an accident has occurred.

eyc234 07-21-2025 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David from Denver (Post 2447573)
The issue is how golf cars can safely cross both SB and NB car traffic lanes on Morse Blvd without having to merge into the SB lane, waiting for NB traffic to clear, then cross.

To accomplish this, I propose:

1) NB gate operations continue as is
2) Move the SB gate back (north) 100-200 ft. (Yes, electricity required)
3) Install video cameras at each corner of building
4) Install and connect Artificial Intelligence (AI) to the cameras
5)Write "IF", "THEN" AI scenarios to control gates, such as:
a) IF 2 or more golf cars have been waiting > 2 minutes, THEN lower BOTH SB and NB gates to allow safe crossing of golf cars of BOTH lanes of car traffic
b) IF only 1 golf car waiting, THEN max wait time is 4 minutes (example only)
c) IF NB Morse starts to back up, THEN .........

These are only a few examples of "IF" "THEN" scenarios that can be imagined, however AI can be programmed for thousands of situations.

I am aware of other challenges, such as 911 vehicles, power outages, car wrecks, etc.
Some of these challenges may be eliminated by maintaining current staffing, using AI only for notification of traffic issues.

6) Install Red/Green signal lights to notify golf cars they can SAFELY cross both lanes of Morse without stopping in the middle median.

This is just a baseline that perhaps someone waaay smarter than me can take and run with.

All this is free and will not raise my fees or taxes? Already cost too much to live here!:shrug:

tophcfa 07-21-2025 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David from Denver (Post 2447573)
The issue is how golf cars can safely cross both SB and NB car traffic lanes on Morse Blvd without having to merge into the SB lane, waiting for NB traffic to clear, then cross.

To accomplish this, I propose:

1) NB gate operations continue as is
2) Move the SB gate back (north) 100-200 ft. (Yes, electricity required)
3) Install video cameras at each corner of building
4) Install and connect Artificial Intelligence (AI) to the cameras
5)Write "IF", "THEN" AI scenarios to control gates, such as:
a) IF 2 or more golf cars have been waiting > 2 minutes, THEN lower BOTH SB and NB gates to allow safe crossing of golf cars of BOTH lanes of car traffic
b) IF only 1 golf car waiting, THEN max wait time is 4 minutes (example only)
c) IF NB Morse starts to back up, THEN .........

These are only a few examples of "IF" "THEN" scenarios that can be imagined, however AI can be programmed for thousands of situations.

I am aware of other challenges, such as 911 vehicles, power outages, car wrecks, etc.
Some of these challenges may be eliminated by maintaining current staffing, using AI only for notification of traffic issues.

6) Install Red/Green signal lights to notify golf cars they can SAFELY cross both lanes of Morse without stopping in the middle median.

This is just a baseline that perhaps someone waaay smarter than me can take and run with.

Interesting ideas. I’m definitely in favor of moving the southbound gate north of where golf carts crossover. I also really like pursuing changes to the current system in place at the northbound gate, so that the automotive traffic is staggered to allow golf carts more safe openings to crossover. The current system, where the gate attendants waive automobiles through as fast as possible, with absolutely no consideration for the golf carts backed up behind them, needs to be changed to something better. Although seasoned Villagers have adapted to the rather dangerous situation, it’s an accident waiting to happen for new Villagers, guests, and renters.

Babbs1957 07-21-2025 05:54 PM

Well if we are proposing:

1) Dig a tunnel
2) Drive under roads

Bogie Shooter 07-21-2025 06:09 PM

How long has the current set-up been there, 25- 30 years?
How many golf carts/ automobiles accidents have occurred?

Velvet 07-21-2025 07:57 PM

This must be one of the most difficult and unsafe areas for golf cart in TV. I have gone with different friends driving and there have been several close calls with cars. I am fortunate that my lady friends are religious and I am pretty sure the Lord was looking after them directly each time. So far no heart attacks from near hits, but ….

tophcfa 07-21-2025 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2447616)
How long has the current set-up been there, 25- 30 years?
How many golf carts/ automobiles accidents have occurred?

And how many is too many?

Bill14564 07-21-2025 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2447633)
And how many is too many?

Apparently, more than there have been up to this point. But, how many have there been up to this point? I don’t recall reading of any even with all the publicity that area gets.

mtdjed 07-21-2025 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David from Denver (Post 2447573)
The issue is how golf cars can safely cross both SB and NB car traffic lanes on Morse Blvd without having to merge into the SB lane, waiting for NB traffic to clear, then cross.

To accomplish this, I propose:

1) NB gate operations continue as is
2) Move the SB gate back (north) 100-200 ft. (Yes, electricity required)
3) Install video cameras at each corner of building
4) Install and connect Artificial Intelligence (AI) to the cameras
5)Write "IF", "THEN" AI scenarios to control gates, such as:
a) IF 2 or more golf cars have been waiting > 2 minutes, THEN lower BOTH SB and NB gates to allow safe crossing of golf cars of BOTH lanes of car traffic
b) IF only 1 golf car waiting, THEN max wait time is 4 minutes (example only)
c) IF NB Morse starts to back up, THEN .........

These are only a few examples of "IF" "THEN" scenarios that can be imagined, however AI can be programmed for thousands of situations.

I am aware of other challenges, such as 911 vehicles, power outages, car wrecks, etc.
Some of these challenges may be eliminated by maintaining current staffing, using AI only for notification of traffic issues.

6) Install Red/Green signal lights to notify golf cars they can SAFELY cross both lanes of Morse without stopping in the middle median.

This is just a baseline that perhaps someone waaay smarter than me can take and run with.

First, I have not had any significant problem at this site. Your solution basically suggests a red-light using cameras and AI to decide who goes next. So now we have a traffic light going south with the car lane green and the cart lane red. When the car lane turns red and the cart lane turns green, you say the carts can turn left because all vehicles on your left have a red light. Good luck. Is any one familiar with this type of arrangement? My first thought would be that the lights are not functioning correctly. On paper it works, if everyone knows and abides by the rule.

AI is good if the "if" "then" has a definite answer all of the time considering human reaction.

Arctic Fox 07-22-2025 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babbs1957 (Post 2447607)
Well if we are proposing:
1) Dig a tunnel
2) Drive under roads

Retrofitting a tunnel under Morse would be hugely expensive but would probably be the safest solution.

Morse north of 466 is one of the few major roads with adjacent Multimodal paths each side, so there are many junctions that require extreme care. The one with San Marino was partially eased 10+ years ago by installing traffic signals but it is still tough in high season to make a left there.

In reality, a total reworking of that whole stretch of Morse is required, and has been under consideration, but the cost would be enormous.

For now, we just need to be extra vigilant, and remain patient, when using Morse north of 466.

USOTR 07-22-2025 05:07 AM

The Villages will say it's to expensive until someone gets killed there and the multi million dollar lawsuit that comes from leaving a know dangerous situation to continue.

Aviator1211 07-22-2025 05:50 AM

Very practical and cost effective idea. Don't be discouraged by the naysayers. Negativity and resistance to change is a natural component of the demographic in this area.

bowlingal 07-22-2025 05:57 AM

OR, you can take your car!

Bay Kid 07-22-2025 05:58 AM

Build a cart path down the north bound lane side? Seems to be the easiest way to protect carts.


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