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GeorgeT 09-27-2011 01:39 PM

Shooting Ranges/Concealed Weapons Permits
 
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Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica (Post 399476)
That is something that most living here do not believe. Just look at the little and not so little towns around us. Florida has a huge un-employed number and it is getting worse. TV is one of the only bright spots in the state as far as work goes. The paper is full of crime against persons in the surround area. How long do you think it will take when the handouts stop before we see a raise in crime against persons in TV? Who has money and valuables and who do criminals think will be the least able to protect themselves? I believe to always be prepared for the worst and never have to use it, instead of never being prepared and caught without protection.

I am glad that you only suffered a $15 lose. It could have been much worse if you had not found your missing purse for a few hours.


That's why I keep my CCW permit up to date.

Posh 08 09-27-2011 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica (Post 399476)
That is something that most living here do not believe. Just look at the little and not so little towns around us. Florida has a huge un-employed number and it is getting worse. TV is one of the only bright spots in the state as far as work goes. The paper is full of crime against persons in the surround area. How long do you think it will take when the handouts stop before we see a raise in crime against persons in TV? Who has money and valuables and who do criminals think will be the least able to protect themselves? I believe to always be prepared for the worst and never have to use it, instead of never being prepared and caught without protection.

I am glad that you only suffered a $15 lose. It could have been much worse if you had not found your missing purse for a few hours.

Better judged by 12 than carried by 6

Figmo Bohica 09-27-2011 02:22 PM

GeorgeT, that is good that you keep your CCW up to date, but, there is always a but, isn't there, do you keep up your skill level with what you are carrying? Do you go out at least once every couple months and do some training, not target practice, but training. For you will react to an emergency the same way that you train. If you take your time, take wonderful careful aim, hit the bullseye everytime, you are shoot before you get yours off. To many people get their CCW and never take any training. All they are is another source for criminals to get weapons.

Look into joining an IDPA, http://www.idpa.com or take some classes on self defense then practice what they teach you, otherwise you are just another victim.

Let me tell you a little story. I use to carry everyday, never left the house without my firearm, don't feel the need for that now, but still do keep up the training thru IDPA. Went to a three gun shoot, pistol, shotgun and rifle. I always carry my pistol in a high raise holster on my right hip under my shirt or jacket. Was gonna look cool for this 3 gun shoot, got me a thigh holster, hung right where my hand rested. Could save time, its a timed event, just grab it, draw and start shooting. Musle memory is something that you can't get away from. At the buzzer, where did my hand go for my pistol, you got it, right to where it always was, my right hip. Not only did I do it once, all four stages, did the same thing and that was after going to a safe area and practicing the draw from the thigh. The only thing that would have happened to me in a right life situation, I would have got shoot. End of story.

GTTPF 09-28-2011 09:50 AM

I am moving to the villages as soon as my home is completed. I like to shoot and was an excellent shot with rifle and shotguns, unfortunatly I can only shoot hand guns now and want to improve. Are there any ranges near TV for very large and regular caliper hand guns? Where are they? I am also interested in getting formal training and carry permit(just to have it) Thanks.

GeorgeT 09-28-2011 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica (Post 399577)
GeorgeT, that is good that you keep your CCW up to date, but, there is always a but, isn't there, do you keep up your skill level with what you are carrying? Do you go out at least once every couple months and do some training, not target practice, but training. For you will react to an emergency the same way that you train. If you take your time, take wonderful careful aim, hit the bullseye everytime, you are shoot before you get yours off. To many people get their CCW and never take any training. All they are is another source for criminals to get weapons.

Look into joining an IDPA, http://www.idpa.com or take some classes on self defense then practice what they teach you, otherwise you are just another victim.

Let me tell you a little story. I use to carry everyday, never left the house without my firearm, don't feel the need for that now, but still do keep up the training thru IDPA. Went to a three gun shoot, pistol, shotgun and rifle. I always carry my pistol in a high raise holster on my right hip under my shirt or jacket. Was gonna look cool for this 3 gun shoot, got me a thigh holster, hung right where my hand rested. Could save time, its a timed event, just grab it, draw and start shooting. Musle memory is something that you can't get away from. At the buzzer, where did my hand go for my pistol, you got it, right to where it always was, my right hip. Not only did I do it once, all four stages, did the same thing and that was after going to a safe area and practicing the draw from the thigh. The only thing that would have happened to me in a right life situation, I would have got shoot. End of story.

You're absolutely correct. I do have training and am a pretty good shot but I don't attend on-going training which I should and will. Besides being responsible it's also a lot of fun. I never carry inside TV but I do sometimes when I'm going to an unsavory area outside of TV.

I don't think any amount of training will prepare you enough for the real thing.

buggyone 09-28-2011 11:20 AM

Totally ridiculous to carry a pistol in The Villages!!! There is no violent crime in The Villages. There are a few isolated thefts of golf bags, purses, etc from golf carts. You planning to shoot someone if you see them taking your golf bag from your cart?

The most recent violent crime was a domestic about 2 years ago when a lady shot her husband while he was taking a shower one morning. Both were retired LEO's and had pistols at home.

Chances are that if you have a pistol at home, the person you shoot will be one of your family members.

I think you are not allowed to carry a concealed weapon inside of a restaurant that serves alcohol. You are not allowed to flash your weapon to show you mean business. If I would see either of those happen, I would call 911 so fast and make sure the person is charged with a crime, it would make their head spin. If they flashed the weapon at me, I would sue for all they had.

dillywho 09-28-2011 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 399927)
Totally ridiculous to carry a pistol in The Villages!!! There is no violent crime in The Villages. There are a few isolated thefts of golf bags, purses, etc from golf carts. You planning to shoot someone if you see them taking your golf bag from your cart?

The most recent violent crime was a domestic about 2 years ago when a lady shot her husband while he was taking a shower one morning. Both were retired LEO's and had pistols at home.

Chances are that if you have a pistol at home, the person you shoot will be one of your family members.

I think you are not allowed to carry a concealed weapon inside of a restaurant that serves alcohol. You are not allowed to flash your weapon to show you mean business. If I would see either of those happen, I would call 911 so fast and make sure the person is charged with a crime, it would make their head spin. If they flashed the weapon at me, I would sue for all they had.

You would not need to sue if someone "flashed" their weapon at you. Anyone who has a concealed carry permit knows the penalty for such action. This is stressed emphatically during the classes. The rules governing concealed carry are very stringent.....very.

As to no violent crime here, there have been isolated incidents. Is it rampant here? No, but it does occur and as another poster pointed out, it may well get worse. Remember, TV is made up of a number of aging people and are viewed by some as easy targets. One couple was accosted here several years ago as they were returning home one evening and some others were threatened. (The baddies were caught, as best I remember.) Another, a woman was killed and her husband almost killed ("friends" of their daughter who let them in). The daughter's father last I heard will still have nothing to do with her.

I no longer have a gun or a permit but still remember the rules/laws. Right now, I see no need, but I do have an alarm. This is not a gated community (even they have problems, tho) and we are vulnerable. Vigligence is always in order. If you see something that just doesn't look right to you, call law enforcement. They won't have a problem with your doing so.

billethkid 09-28-2011 12:31 PM

Responsible permitted persons who carry know the rules and would not ever even consider "flashing" a gun...that is for the illegal and the movies.

Where one lives does not determine whether to carry or not....just like it does not matter where you live to determine whether to have home insurance or car insurance. You have these insurances hoping you will never have to use them. EXACTLY the same reasons some of us have concealed weapons permits.

To each his own but the demonization of guns in general is based on the media and the make believe, over dramatized situations in the movies and television is totally inaccurate measured against reality.

Guns do not kill people...people kill people. And guns are responsible for killing like erasers on pencils are responsible for misspelled words!!!!!!

btk

GeorgeT 09-28-2011 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 399927)
Totally ridiculous to carry a pistol in The Villages!!! There is no violent crime in The Villages. There are a few isolated thefts of golf bags, purses, etc from golf carts. You planning to shoot someone if you see them taking your golf bag from your cart?

The most recent violent crime was a domestic about 2 years ago when a lady shot her husband while he was taking a shower one morning. Both were retired LEO's and had pistols at home.

Chances are that if you have a pistol at home, the person you shoot will be one of your family members.

I think you are not allowed to carry a concealed weapon inside of a restaurant that serves alcohol. You are not allowed to flash your weapon to show you mean business. If I would see either of those happen, I would call 911 so fast and make sure the person is charged with a crime, it would make their head spin. If they flashed the weapon at me, I would sue for all they had.

Did you even read my post before you sounded off or are you just venting?
Furthermore, your statement about shooting a family member is what is ridiculous. You are generalizing based on what? Never mind, you are already convinced that fire arms should be banned so I won't argue with you. Why waste my time.

GeorgeT 09-28-2011 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dillywho (Post 399937)
You would not need to sue if someone "flashed" their weapon at you. Anyone who has a concealed carry permit knows the penalty for such action. This is stressed emphatically during the classes. The rules governing concealed carry are very stringent.....very.

As to no violent crime here, there have been isolated incidents. Is it rampant here? No, but it does occur and as another poster pointed out, it may well get worse. Remember, TV is made up of a number of aging people and are viewed by some as easy targets. One couple was accosted here several years ago as they were returning home one evening and some others were threatened. (The baddies were caught, as best I remember.) Another, a woman was killed and her husband almost killed ("friends" of their daughter who let them in). The daughter's father last I heard will still have nothing to do with her.

I no longer have a gun or a permit but still remember the rules/laws. Right now, I see no need, but I do have an alarm. This is not a gated community (even they have problems, tho) and we are vulnerable. Vigligence is always in order. If you see something that just doesn't look right to you, call law enforcement. They won't have a problem with your doing so.

Yes I totally agree.

GeorgeT 09-28-2011 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 399943)
Responsible permitted persons who carry know the rules and would not ever even consider "flashing" a gun...that is for the illegal and the movies.

Where one lives does not determine whether to carry or not....just like it does not matter where you live to determine whether to have home insurance or car insurance. You have these insurances hoping you will never have to use them. EXACTLY the same reasons some of us have concealed weapons permits.

To each his own but the demonization of guns in general is based on the media and the make believe, over dramatized situations in the movies and television is totally inaccurate measured against reality.

Guns do not kill people...people kill people. And guns are responsible for killing like erasers on pencils are responsible for misspelled words!!!!!!

btk

Yes I totally agree.

Posh 08 09-28-2011 03:36 PM

It's sad that those sitting around singing koombaya actually will want someone with a gun to protect them if the need arises.

BigLew 09-28-2011 03:37 PM

owww....
 
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Originally Posted by disney07 (Post 400002)
Theft at Driving Range....... WOW! Did this thread get Mugged & Hijacked.

shot in the thread ! :police::a040:

ladydoc 09-28-2011 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Posh 08 (Post 400003)
It's sad that those sitting around singing koombaya actually will want someone with a gun to protect them if the need arises.

Absolutely! Our neighbor in NM hated guns and always teased hubby about his shooting. Well, when she spotted a rattler between her house and the laundry room, who did you think she called and asked to come up the hill WITH his gun?

villagegolfer 09-28-2011 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GeorgeT (Post 399993)
Did you even read my post before you sounded off or are you just venting?
Furthermore, your statement about shooting a family member is what is ridiculous. You are generalizing based on what? Never mind, you are already convinced that fire arms should be banned so I won't argue with you. Why waste my time.

Why read your post when the answer was just standard talking points. Did anybody stop to think that just having the reputation around the Villages that geezers carry- is enough to be a deterrent to crime?


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