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Villages PL 02-20-2012 12:13 PM
Why The USF/Villages Health Alliance Is a Bad Idea
 
The health alliance is a bad idea because it represents two parties with opposing goals. The Villages half of the partnership seeks to promote business, which involves the promotion and sale of fast food (i.e., processed foods). (This covers all types of food outlets including supermarkets.) And the USF half of the partnership seeks to promote healthy eating habits as part of an overall healthy lifestyle.

Do you see the conflict of interests, or the push and pull of opposing goals? These two should never have tied the knot. Is it too late for an annulment? It's like two people getting married in a hurry and then discovering that he wants to have a lot of children and she doesn' want to have any. They can't have it both ways.

To the extent that USF succeeds, the Villages fast-food business will fail. Picture two people an a seesaw....as one goes up, the other comes down. Failure is built into this health study because we don't have both parties working together, even though, on the surface, it may appear as though they are.

Bigben007 02-20-2012 12:39 PM
What????????????????????

graciegirl 02-20-2012 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 456242)
The health alliance is a bad idea because it represents two parties with opposing goals. The Villages half of the partnership seeks to promote business, which involves the promotion and sale of fast food (i.e., processed foods). (This covers all types of food outlets including supermarkets.) And the USF half of the partnership seeks to promote healthy eating habits as part of an overall healthy lifestyle.

Do you see the conflict of interests, or the push and pull of opposing goals? These two should never have tied the knot. Is it too late for an annulment? It's like two people getting married in a hurry and then discovering that he wants to have a lot of children and she doesn' want to have any. They can't have it both ways.

To the extent that USF succeeds, the Villages (processed) fast-food business will fail. Picture two people an a seesaw....as one goes up, the other comes down. Failure is built into this health study because we don't have both parties working together, even though, on the surface, it may appear as though they are.
I think it is far to simplistic to think that. Think a bit. You are concentrating on your passion which is eating healthily. The Villages rent space to restaurants and in some of those we can make wise food choices. The USF is conducting a research which they are funded to do, thus providing work for the researchers and information, if it is good enough that will further fund them.

Some of the researchers eat fast food...I am sure of that, and I am trying to make you smile VillagePl.

golf2140 02-20-2012 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by villages pl (Post 456242)
the health alliance is a bad idea because it represents two parties with opposing goals. The villages half of the partnership seeks to promote business, which involves the promotion and sale of fast food (i.e., processed foods). (this covers all types of food outlets including supermarkets.) and the usf half of the partnership seeks to promote healthy eating habits as part of an overall healthy lifestyle.

Do you see the conflict of interests, or the push and pull of opposing goals? These two should never have tied the knot. Is it too late for an annulment? It's like two people getting married in a hurry and then discovering that he wants to have a lot of children and she doesn' want to have any. They can't have it both ways.

To the extent that usf succeeds, the villages (processed) fast-food business will fail. Picture two people an a seesaw....as one goes up, the other comes down. Failure is built into this health study because we don't have both parties working together, even though, on the surface, it may appear as though they are.
dah !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mulligan 02-20-2012 02:19 PM
I can't believe that it's a bad thing for the villages to offer a group to USF for study and research that represents the fastest growing segment of the population. With the wide cross section of Americans concentrated here, some useful data can be gleaned with regard to the healthcare needs of older people. That being said, I don't expect the majority of us will rush out and start living on bunny food and soy milk. Let's see what they come up with.

Challenger 02-20-2012 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 456242)
The health alliance is a bad idea because it represents two parties with opposing goals. The Villages half of the partnership seeks to promote business, which involves the promotion and sale of fast food (i.e., processed foods). (This covers all types of food outlets including supermarkets.) And the USF half of the partnership seeks to promote healthy eating habits as part of an overall healthy lifestyle.

Do you see the conflict of interests, or the push and pull of opposing goals? These two should never have tied the knot. Is it too late for an annulment? It's like two people getting married in a hurry and then discovering that he wants to have a lot of children and she doesn' want to have any. They can't have it both ways.

To the extent that USF succeeds, the Villages (processed) fast-food business will fail. Picture two people an a seesaw....as one goes up, the other comes down. Failure is built into this health study because we don't have both parties working together, even though, on the surface, it may appear as though they are.
Here we go with the conspiricy theories again. Bad bad Developer

rubicon 02-20-2012 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Challenger (Post 456343)
Here we go with the conspiricy theories again. Bad bad Developer
Challenger: I was not going to respond until I came across your post. I don't know how you got from there to here but IMHO no one said anything about the developer. The OP was questioning the competing differences between what they sell and what the health people recommend. Clearly the survey can be beneficial, to some, if both sponsors learn something from it.

BOMBERO 02-20-2012 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigben007 (Post 456254)
What????????????????????
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Originally Posted by golf2140 (Post 456312)
dah !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for posting what I was having a hard time
trying to put into words.....:ohdear:

Floridagal 02-20-2012 04:35 PM
Lets give everybody a chance and see what develops. When all said and done, everyone can make their own choices.

Mudder 02-20-2012 05:07 PM
VillagerPL has a major problem with processed food and anything that remotely is connected with that type of food. What a stretch to go from dislike of all processed food to bad mouthing a collaboration that undoubtedly will benefit many people. I'm going to eat a couple of slices of Velveta chesse now!

Villages PL 02-21-2012 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 456267)
I think it is far to simplistic to think that.
Good observation. I purposely kept it simple because it's all too easy to get lost in the details.

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Think a bit. You are concentrating on your passion which is eating healthily.
Yes, but it's more than my passion. Healthy eating is the most important aspect of a healthy lifestyle.

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The Villages rent space to restaurants and in some of those we can make wise food choices.
Yes, but if you look at the overall picture, about 95% of the food is highly processed. In many of the restaurants it's all processed. I used to go out with a neighborhood group to eat and most of the time I was lucky to find one healthy item on the menu. Most people, if they eat out often enough, will eventually cave in to other choices, out of bordom.


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Some of the researchers eat fast food...I am sure of that, and I am trying to make you smile VillagePl.
I am smiling. Did you see all of those paper-thin young women working on the project? I wonder what their diet consists of.

Villages PL 02-21-2012 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Challenger (Post 456343)
Here we go with the conspiricy theories again. Bad bad Developer
Those are your words, not mine. I'm just saying what exists. And that which exists is neither a conspiricy nor a theory. Just because the developer is a good business man does not mean that he is conspiring against anyone. And yet it is fairly obvious that there are tons and tons of junk food being consumed daily in The Villages.

ariel 02-21-2012 07:10 PM
I'm a part timer and fairly new so I didn't attend the lecture by USF regarding their plan. I got the survey today and it looks pretty standard to me for surveys like this. Longitudinal studies like the AARP one VillagerPL is a part of will yield stronger data in the end, but it takes years to do these. This one is a one shot in time look at a selected population. Findings will be interesting and when the results are written up I would expect that the weaknesses (limitations) of the study will be discussed by the authors.

Pturner 02-21-2012 07:51 PM
Villages PL,

No, I don't see it as a conflict that restaurants rent space from the developer and that the developer gave USF the opportunity to conduct this study.

For one thing, people already know that it's healthier to eat healthy foods. However, some people are more concerned or passionate about health risks than others. Some people love food for pleasure more than for sustenance. For some, the joy they get from the food itself, and/or from the socializing involved with eating out, are worth the risks-- much like athletes who participate in sports that risks injury.

Secondly, it's no skin off the developer's teeth if restaurants start offering some healthful choices.

The irony is, the fact that the developer owns a hospital would be a better argument-- though still not a good one-- for a conflict than that some of his tenants are restaurants.

That argument fails too. Many hospitals, doctors and other health care organizations participate in health research and/or fund and support wellness programs.

salpal 02-22-2012 09:45 AM
private?
 
on a different note, forms came with pre-coded numbers in corner, am I being paranoid in thinking that questionnaires are not 100 percent private?


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