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Guest 03-30-2012 02:22 PM

WI Gov Scott Walker recall.
 
Scott Walker Recall Election Ordered By Government Accountability Board

Maybe, the Republicans on TOTV can supply some of their own links for coverage of this story.

Guest 03-30-2012 02:29 PM

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Scott Walker Recall Election Ordered By Government Accountability Board

Maybe, the Republicans on TOTV can supply some of their own links for coverage of this story.

Not sure of WHAT you are asking and WHY ?????? Please explain your motives.....would be interested. You sort of jump from thread to thread until actual facts get discussed and then you just disappear..just wonder your thought on this one.

Guest 03-30-2012 02:52 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 473471)
Not sure of WHAT you are asking and WHY ?????? Please explain your motives.....would be interested. You sort of jump from thread to thread until actual facts get discussed and then you just disappear..just wonder your thought on this one.

Just getting a dialogue going. The link I supplied is obviously one that is very liberal leaning as most stories on the Huffington Post are. Would like to see some links on the Republican take on the recall of the WI Governor.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1391209.html

Guest 03-30-2012 02:55 PM

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Just getting a dialog going.

Didnt sound you wanted a dialogue...sounded to me like another PARTY post...why would you be specific about Republicans ?

PS....Dialogue wise, from what I know, he teed of the unions because he wanted to save the state finances and they, as only they can do, launched this petition. I understand he welcomes it in order to have a nice conversation and hear other solutions.

Guest 03-30-2012 03:04 PM

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Didnt sound you wanted a dialogue...sounded to me like another PARTY post...why would you be specific about Republicans ?

PS....Dialogue wise, from what I know, he teed of the unions because he wanted to save the state finances and they, as only they can do, launched this petition. I understand he welcomes it in order to have a nice conversation and hear other solutions.

This artcle from The Chicago Tribune seems more objective than others I have pulled up in recent searches. Recall election ordered for Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker - chicagotribune.com

Guest 03-30-2012 03:05 PM

Not much more to say than this from your link...

"Walker was targeted for recall after he pushed through a law last year that effectively ended collective bargaining rights for most state workers. It also forced the workers to contribute more to their pension and health care costs, which amounted to a cut in pay.

Walker argued the changes were needed to help balance the state's budget, while Democrats and other opponents said the true intention was to weaken the power of unions, which have traditionally opposed Republicans."


I am married to an ex teacher, and I know how pushy they can get if ticked off....and NEVER try to take anything away....the hearing function just goes dead. This is no surprise.....have not heard anyone out there have an disclaimers with valid points on doing what he did...all they are doing is saying that he wants to weakens their unions. They may try to debate the facts that actually caused the move

Guest 03-30-2012 03:19 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 473487)
Not much more to say than this from your link...

"Walker was targeted for recall after he pushed through a law last year that effectively ended collective bargaining rights for most state workers. It also forced the workers to contribute more to their pension and health care costs, which amounted to a cut in pay.

Walker argued the changes were needed to help balance the state's budget, while Democrats and other opponents said the true intention was to weaken the power of unions, which have traditionally opposed Republicans."


I am married to an ex teacher, and I know how pushy they can get if ticked off....and NEVER try to take anything away....the hearing function just goes dead. This is no surprise.....have not heard anyone out there have an disclaimers with valid points on doing what he did...all they are doing is saying that he wants to weakens their unions. They may try to debate the facts that actually caused the move

You are spot on,These public sector unions have ripped off the general population for years they should be treated no different then people in the private sector,And if that means cuts in pensions and benefits so be it.But in wisconsin they have so many unions he will be recalled for doing the right thing.And it will back to buying insurance from the unions or their controlled companies and screwing the tax payers again.Its the same here in il.only on a larger scale

Guest 03-30-2012 04:16 PM

March 15, 2012
[Madison, Wisconsin] Gearing up for increased political activism on the cusp of a campaign to recall Governor Scott Walker, the State’s teachers’ union is being guided by the philosophy of radical leftist Saul Alinsky, the MacIver News Service has learned.

On Friday and Saturday WEAC is sponsoring community organizing training seminars put on by the Industrial Areas Foundation.

The IAF is a leftist community organizing network established in 1940 by Saul Alinsky. Alinsky, author of the book Rules for Radicals,
remains a controversial political figure many years after his death. Opposed to many of the bloody revolutionary strategies supported by his fellow radicals, Alinsky was guided by a neo-Marxist philosophy that promoted infiltration and gradualism over violent confrontation.

“A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists,” Alinsky wrote. “From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage — the political paradise of communism.”

According to a website promoting the WEAC training, “The workshop will provide an overview of key concepts and critical components essential to building strong locals and connecting those locals into a broad based organization necessary to create power. Special emphasis will be placed on the identification of leaders and the creation of local allies necessary to effect change at both the local community and state levels. Participants should expect a practical interactive opportunity to learn and help shape the future organizing work of WEAC and other like-minded organizations in our state.”

On Eve of Recalls, WEAC Turns to Alinsky Disciples For Community Organizing Help | MacIver Institute

Wisconsin Districts Save Millions by Switching Health Insurers
By Christian D’Andrea
MacIver Institute Education Policy Analyst

It’s a narrative we’ve touched on before – switching health insurers can save Wisconsin’s school districts hundreds of thousands of dollars each year. This summer, two local school boards have proven this point in dramatic fashion.

Hudson and Kaukauna have both made headlines recently for saving over $1.5 million combined through bidding out their teacher health insurance programs. As a result, these districts are getting deals that will provide high-level health care while saving significant funding dollars.

Kaukauna’s switch from WEA Trust (owned and operated by the WI Teachers' Union) to WCA Group Health Trust will be part of an overhaul that is projected to turn a $400,000 deficit into a $1.5 million surplus. Their savings from the change are an estimated $400,000 – or about eight percent less than the district was paying under their previous plan. Part of these savings hinge on higher deductibles for eligible members.

Hudson also dropped WEA Trust and chose Health Partners as their new provider. This change, coupled with a switch to Delta Dental, is estimated to save $1.1-1.2 million each year. Prior to the enacting of Act 10, the district was not allowed to open their health care services up for competitive bidding unless such an agreement was collectively bargained with the union...."

Wisconsin Districts Save Millions by Switching Health Insurers | MacIver Institute

Guest 03-30-2012 05:17 PM

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March 15, 2012
[Madison, Wisconsin] Gearing up for increased political activism on the cusp of a campaign to recall Governor Scott Walker, the State’s teachers’ union is being guided by the philosophy of radical leftist Saul Alinsky, the MacIver News Service has learned.

On Friday and Saturday WEAC is sponsoring community organizing training seminars put on by the Industrial Areas Foundation.

The IAF is a leftist community organizing network established in 1940 by Saul Alinsky. Alinsky, author of the book Rules for Radicals,
remains a controversial political figure many years after his death. Opposed to many of the bloody revolutionary strategies supported by his fellow radicals, Alinsky was guided by a neo-Marxist philosophy that promoted infiltration and gradualism over violent confrontation.

“A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists,” Alinsky wrote. “From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage — the political paradise of communism.”

According to a website promoting the WEAC training, “The workshop will provide an overview of key concepts and critical components essential to building strong locals and connecting those locals into a broad based organization necessary to create power. Special emphasis will be placed on the identification of leaders and the creation of local allies necessary to effect change at both the local community and state levels. Participants should expect a practical interactive opportunity to learn and help shape the future organizing work of WEAC and other like-minded organizations in our state.”

On Eve of Recalls, WEAC Turns to Alinsky Disciples For Community Organizing Help | MacIver Institute

Wisconsin Districts Save Millions by Switching Health Insurers
By Christian D’Andrea
MacIver Institute Education Policy Analyst

It’s a narrative we’ve touched on before – switching health insurers can save Wisconsin’s school districts hundreds of thousands of dollars each year. This summer, two local school boards have proven this point in dramatic fashion.

Hudson and Kaukauna have both made headlines recently for saving over $1.5 million combined through bidding out their teacher health insurance programs. As a result, these districts are getting deals that will provide high-level health care while saving significant funding dollars.

Kaukauna’s switch from WEA Trust (owned and operated by the WI Teachers' Union) to WCA Group Health Trust will be part of an overhaul that is projected to turn a $400,000 deficit into a $1.5 million surplus. Their savings from the change are an estimated $400,000 – or about eight percent less than the district was paying under their previous plan. Part of these savings hinge on higher deductibles for eligible members.

Hudson also dropped WEA Trust and chose Health Partners as their new provider. This change, coupled with a switch to Delta Dental, is estimated to save $1.1-1.2 million each year. Prior to the enacting of Act 10, the district was not allowed to open their health care services up for competitive bidding unless such an agreement was collectively bargained with the union...."

Wisconsin Districts Save Millions by Switching Health Insurers | MacIver Institute

I have been talking about Saul Alinsky since 2008, and before anyone mentions that a lot of folks have studied him (including Hillary Clinton who wrote on him but the government, at last I heard sealed her writings on him) I do in fact realize that. My point is, and always has been that President Obama not only studied his ways, HE TAUGHT THEM and practiced them totally as a neighborhood organizer. One thing I know....you cannot walk completely away from your roots of learning and this is his roots.

Thanks for your post ILOVETV...and I would ask that all of you read about Saul Alinsky and then imagine your President TEACHING HIS FUNDAMENTALS.

Guest 03-30-2012 07:30 PM

Gov Scott Walker is being recalled, yet he has higher approval numbers than our own Gov Rick Scott who has never gotten above 30%. Too bad Florida doesn't have a recall law. Rick Scott would be toast.

Guest 03-30-2012 07:38 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 473589)
Gov Scott Walker is being recalled, yet he has higher approval numbers than our own Gov Rick Scott who has never gotten above 30%. Too bad Florida doesn't have a recall law. Rick Scott would be toast.

Approval numbers for elected officials trying to balance the state budget sometimes reflect how much a 15-year-old likes being told by his parents, "We're not signing for you to get your drivers' license until you have at least a 3.0 GPA, and until you have a summer job to help pay 20% of your insurance premiums for the year."

Guest 03-30-2012 08:25 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 473593)
Do you have any comments on the issue being discussed ??

I think my post #8 in this thread shows what my thoughts would be. What more does one need to see other than this, below?

“A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists,” Alinsky wrote. “From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage — the political paradise of communism.”

Guest 03-30-2012 08:32 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 473608)
I think my post #8 in this thread shows what my thoughts would be. What more does one need to see other than this, below?

“A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists,” Alinsky wrote. “From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage — the political paradise of communism.”

I am so sorry....that comment attached to your post was meant for JANMCN....i really am sorry. I left after reading her post but returned because I was so angry and just left a short note which I thought was attached to her post...


SORRY

Guest 03-30-2012 08:49 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 473611)
I am so sorry....that comment attached to your post was meant for JANMCN....i really am sorry. I left after reading her post but returned because I was so angry and just left a short note which I thought was attached to her post...


SORRY

I understand completely. No problem here.

Guest 03-30-2012 08:57 PM

The fact is, Walker is nothing more than a Koch Brothers lapdog who hates teachers, cops, and firemen. Walker's attempt to strip working men and women of their rights has met with failure.

"So long as the State of Wisconsin continues to afford ordinary certification and dues deductions to mandatory public safety unions with sweeping bargaining rights, there is no rational basis to deny those rights to voluntary general unions with severely restricted bargaining rights," the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Wisconsin concluded.

This was just another attempt by the cons, bankrolled by the Koch bros. to turn worker against worker. This is typical con strategy - try to turn good men and women against each other, while waving the flag.

Even if Walker survives a recall, he is finished .......


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