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Guest 05-01-2012 03:27 PM

Cleveland
 
Today, May day, the FBI arrested 5 young men on conspiracy to blow up the high level bridge (it is about 200' tall) This bridge goes over an industrial area on the south side of Cleveland. It has become very sad with our federal government trying to destroy us that we are trying to do it ourselves. What has happened to this country,it just gets worse and worse. I am beginning to think it really doesn't matter who becomes president.

Guest 05-02-2012 06:13 AM

This is nothing new. There has always been this kind of evil everywhere.

Remember Columbine? Remember how people said it was terrible how bad things were getting? Only later did the news report (and not for very long) that Columbine was NOT the deadliest school killing in US history - that was a guy who bombed a school some hundred years ago.

We just have a bunch of 24/7 news networks that beam the stuff into our living rooms - that's the difference now.

Guest 05-02-2012 09:15 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 487117)
This is nothing new. There has always been this kind of evil everywhere.

Remember Columbine? Remember how people said it was terrible how bad things were getting? Only later did the news report (and not for very long) that Columbine was NOT the deadliest school killing in US history - that was a guy who bombed a school some hundred years ago.

We just have a bunch of 24/7 news networks that beam the stuff into our living rooms - that's the difference now.

Would it not be great if they "beamed" stuff into our living rooms that was of some importance

Guest 05-02-2012 09:58 AM

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Would it not be great if they "beamed" stuff into our living rooms that was of some importance

My guess is that the perpetrators are left-wing anarchists or radical Islamists, and thus the story is only marginally of interest to the media.

Now if the perpetrators were able to be tied to a right-wing militia group or nationalist organization, THEN we'd have headline stories for weeks as we investigated these people, and we'd read stories on any and all groups who are in any way similar in their nationalist orientation.

Guest 05-02-2012 10:45 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 487238)
My guess is that the perpetrators are left-wing anarchists or radical Islamists, and thus the story is only marginally of interest to the media.

Now if the perpetrators were able to be tied to a right-wing militia group or nationalist organization, THEN we'd have headline stories for weeks as we investigated these people, and we'd read stories on any and all groups who are in any way similar in their nationalist orientation.

Definitely anarchists of one persuasion or another. An anarchist is one who is against government of any kind so left wing is probably not correct. I would guess neo-nazi, right-wing military militia who were ignorant of what they were trying to do. They obviously were too stupid to pull off their terrorism. Well, chalk one more terrorist plot thwarted by the Federal government agents. Good going, FBI.

Guest 05-02-2012 11:02 AM

And leftists/democrats equate the Occupy Movement to the T.E.A Party (Taxed Enough Already)........

National Media Ignore Would-be Cleveland Terrorists' Occupy Connections | NewsBusters.org

Guest 05-02-2012 11:30 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 487287)
And leftists/democrats equate the Occupy Movement to the T.E.A Party (Taxed Enough Already)........

National Media Ignore Would-be Cleveland Terrorists' Occupy Connections | NewsBusters.org

I have had some DIRECT exposure to that OCCUPY group as I mentioned in a post yesterday and thus far have found NONE of them that are employed...NONE who are not collecting some form of government stipend.

Guest 05-02-2012 01:29 PM

I dont know if anyone knows the problem the blowing up of this bridge would have caused. I lived in Cleveland and drove this bridge daily to and from work. And does surprise me that so far no mention of this on national news networks. But then no one really cares about Cleveland Fox news did talk about this morning. I strongly believe that the lack of any positive action on behalf of obama does help lead to many of the problems we are having in this country yes GW did help to mess some of it up but then didnt he have a democrat controlled congress at the end of his term. I guess they are all to blame.

Guest 05-02-2012 02:32 PM

This in getting more interesting.
 
Lawyer questions informant's role in Brecksville Route 82 bridge bomb plot

In depth: Five arrested in plot to blow up Route 82 bridge in Cuyahoga County

Guest 05-02-2012 02:46 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 487376)
I dont know if anyone knows the problem the blowing up of this bridge would have caused. I lived in Cleveland and drove this bridge daily to and from work. And does surprise me that so far no mention of this on national news networks. But then no one really cares about Cleveland Fox news did talk about this morning. I strongly believe that the lack of any positive action on behalf of obama does help lead to many of the problems we are having in this country yes GW did help to mess some of it up but then didnt he have a democrat controlled congress at the end of his term. I guess they are all to blame.

I hate to sound overly dramatic but I really believe I see the beginnings of class warfare in this country......I pray I am wrong but we have an administration that is playing into it !!

Guest 05-02-2012 02:52 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 487411)
I hate to sound overly dramatic but I really believe I see the beginnings of class warfare in this country......I pray I am wrong but we have an administration that is playing into it !!

If you look at the two links I gave to Cleveland area news media you will see that the FBI confidential informant actually played a big role in planning and carrying out this attack on the bridge. Dummy explosives were planted.

Law enforcement was going for a big score. Hope they did not go too far and entrap these people in some scheme that would not have happened unless the CI pushed it. Lawyer questions informant's role in Brecksville Route 82 bridge bomb plot Bridge bomb plot: 5 suspects arrested, charged with failed attempt to blow up the Ohio 82 bridge (video) | cleveland.com

Guest 05-02-2012 02:59 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 487412)
If you look at the two links I gave to Cleveland area news media you will see that the FBI confidential informant actually played a big role in planning and carrying out this attack on the bridge. Dummy explosives were planted.

Law enforcement was going for a big score. Hope they did not go too far and entrap these people in some scheme that would not have happened unless the CI pushed it.

I knew that...it was on the news....I am questioning the motivation....that was the intent of my post. I sincerely hope I am wrong but the rhetoric and such that permeates everything is just scary.

Guest 05-03-2012 06:38 AM

To me, the story should really be the fact that LAW ENFORCEMENT cracked this case. Just like all the other plots - it's domestic intelligence working now that the ONE are of the Patriot Act that I agree with has been allowed - the sharing of intelligence between enforcement agencies.

Guest 05-03-2012 08:46 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 487641)
To me, the story should really be the fact that LAW ENFORCEMENT cracked this case. Just like all the other plots - it's domestic intelligence working now that the ONE are of the Patriot Act that I agree with has been allowed - the sharing of intelligence between enforcement agencies.

A lot could have gone wrong though with having a CI involved in the plot for what sounds like six months or so.

Thank god these men look like rather dumb criminals than very well trained terrorists.

Guest 05-03-2012 11:32 AM

".....Azir met the five suspects at an Occupy protest on Oct. 21, 2011. According to Pyle, Azir started supplying the group with money, means and coaching to go through with the bomb plot."

Read more: Bomb plot suspect's attorney reveals FBI's informant, Shaquille Azir, who has long criminal record


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