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Food 4 thought or not!
Bill Clinton's Story.
From Couch Potato & Junk Food Aficionado to Plant-Based Booster In spite of having the best health care from the country's top physicians, Clinton still ended up with quadruple bypasses, two stents, & medication. And even Clinton knew he was heading into trouble if he didn't do something serious about changing his diet. Clinton had the trifecta of heart disease risk: he had a family history of heart disease, he was overweight & out-of-shape, and he was eating all the wrong foods. When Clinton's stents failed in February of 2010, his doctor said, "This isn't a result of diet or exercise--it's a mechanical failure of stents." But statins, stents, & the Mediterranean Diet aren't always enough to stop heart disease. And moderation & pharmaceuticals aren't enough to stop the onslaught of atherosclerosis. Last year Clinton decided to hit the books & read what the medical literature had to say about preventing and reversing heart disease through diet. He discovered that there is only one way to do this--a strict plant-based diet loaded with green leafy vegetables, and without meat, chicken, fish, dairy, or added oils. The two physicians who pioneered this type of treatment are Dr. Caldwell B. Esselstyn, Jr. and Dr. Dean Ornish. With nothing to lose, Clinton decided to conduct his own personal clinical trial. For over a year he's been eating 100% plant-based. No dairy, no meat, no fish, and almost no oil. First of all, Clinton unabashedly says, "I like the stuff I eat. And if anything, I'm getting stricter about my diet as time goes on." He's lost 27 pounds, all his blood tests are good, he has more energy, needs less sleep, and feels great. He's almost down to his lowest weight since high school--185 pounds. The Heart Attack Proof Diet Dr. Caldwell B. Esselstyn, Jr. has been teaching patients to prevent & reverse heart disease through a plant-based no-oil diet since 1985. According to Esselstyn, heart disease is a food-borne illness, and one's risk of having a heart attack is not sealed in stone by one's family history or genetics. If you change what you eat--and you can make yourself heart-attack proof. Click here to learn more. Esselstyn looked at the diets of indigenous people around the world. In the communities where no heart disease existed, it turned out that the people were eating a mostly plant-based low-fat diet: The Papua New Guinea highlanders, the Tarahumara Indians of Mexico, and some rural Chinese. What do you eat on this diet? Vegetables-lots of green leafy ones to restore & heal the endothelial lining of your blood vessels. Kale, Swiss Chard, Cilantro, Collards, Bok Choy, Parsley, Spinach, Broccoli, Brussel Sprouts, Cauliflower Whole fruit Whole grains Beans/Legumes; "light" tofu--cautious use of low-fat soy meat substitutes. Many are highly processed, high-fat junk food. Gupta followed up with his own research, checking the medical literature for sound studies on the use of plant-based diets to prevent & reverse heart disease. He was impressed with Dr. Esselstyn's research at the Cleveland Clinic. 5 years later no patients who followed the diet had another cardiovascular event Three-quarters of Esselstyn's patients saw their blockages reduced. Dr. Erin Michos, a cardiologist at the Ciccarone Center for the Prevention of Heart Disease at Johns Hopkins University, says diet can reverse heart disease, but some people just aren't willing to make the necessary changes. Gupta points out that Dr. Esselstyn's diet prescription runs counter to the powerful lobbies of the meat, dairy, & egg industries--not to mention our fast-food culture. Could that be another reason that it hasn't gone mainstream? Most doctors & their families eat meat themselves, making them less likely to offer a plant-based diet as a prescription to prevent heart disease. Two Patients Who Chose Diet Over Surgery to Prevent Another Heart Attack The 41 year-old Male He didn't smoke, was in good shape, and ate well. His was a case of bad genes. At age 31 he already had eight stents placed in his arteries. At age 41 he had four more. Clearly, stents weren't working for him. He decided to contact Dr. Esselstyn after learning about his successes last September through Wolf Blitzer's CNN interview. No surprise that his doctors thought Esselstyn's diet was too extreme. "Unnecessary," they told him. But after having multiple stents he was losing confidence in their advice. Next Step. The Esselstyn Diet. He attended Dr. Esselstyn's one day session at the Cleveland Clinic in December 2010 and has religiously followed the diet since then. (Learn more here: "What I Learned From Dr. Caldwell and Ann Esselstyn's Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease "School") Since December Dr. Esselstyn's patient has lost 48 pounds. Last June, before changing his diet, his cholesterol was total of 208, LDL of 93, HDL of 41, and triglycerides of 368. His most recent test results are: total cholesterol of 89, LDL of 19, HDL of 53, and triglycerides of 83. The transformation is nothing short of amazing. This CNN article wasn't part of Gupta's documentary, but part of series of articles leading up to show. Don't miss reading the entire inspirational story here. Don't shoot the messenger :1rotfl:, enjoy the read. |
Fascinating post! Great info. Thanks
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Jimbo is this how you eat? VillagesPL what about you? You 2 must be having a heart attack about Gracie's thread about Pot Luck meals.
Seriously, I have read books written by Dr. Ornish. I believe the science behind it. But how many of us can live like that? Most are not so disciplined. Don't you want to have a good steak or hotdog? Eating all the vegetables, seeds, beans, and legumes is not comfort food for sure. I guess don't frequent the many restaurants here in TV. You would be hard pressed to find any of the allowed foods on the menu. Life is short. We should enjoy it. If Kale and beans floats your boat-go for it. I'll take the Mac & Cheese thank you very much. |
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I laughed at the pot luck thread, in fact I posted a few vegan dishes :a040: Our diet is very diverse there are as many different things we eat as you. It is not plain or boring, I guarantee that if we didn't tell you it was vegan you would never know the difference. Yes we go out to eat, you be surprised at how accommodating the chefs can be be when you ask. The easiest is Thai food. We only switched about 15 months ago, but prior to that hadn't had red meat in over 10 years. Had plenty of fish, chicken, turkey etc. always watching what we ate never over weight but always thought about losing a few lbs. Never had cardiac issues just noticed over the last 10 years my BP creeping up and my Dr saying what do you expect your getting older take 10mg, then it was 20 then 30 than 40 to get the BP normal. It was that last increase that ****ed me off with all other parameters normal, you name it I had the test the answer-just take the BP you'll be fine. After 4 1/2 months I no longer take any meds BP 110/70. There are many other benefits in the positive way we look & feel. Am I telling anyone to do eat a plant based diet, nope, if you care to read the documentation you can can make an informed decision on your own. I will suggest one thing to see which is the best selling documentary on Amazon last year [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Forks-Over-Knives-Colin-Campbell/dp/B0053ZHZI2/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_c"]Forks over Knives[/ame] that $15 may be the best investment in your retirement. Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #107 in Movies & TV #1 in Movies & TV > DVD > Special Interests #1 in Movies & TV > DVD > Documentary |
Hi jimbo, Thanks for the movie recommendation. It's available on Netflix, too. I just added it to my queue.
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Great I didn't know that, it is a 90 minute movie, please report back your thoughts.
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Jimbo, Based on the summary of the movie, I'm sure my husband and I will enjoy it.
Don't know when I'll get to watch it, but I'll let you know.. Thanks again. |
How many vegetarians are there?
A new poll
With numerous groups pushing Meatless Mondays, Tofurky Tuesdays, or other campaigns to cut back on meat one meal or day per week, The Vegetarian Resource Group wondered how often Americans are eating vegetarian meals. In order to find an estimate, VRG commissioned Harris Interactive® to conduct a national telephone poll. Seventeen percent of Americans stated that they “don’t eat meat, fish, seafood, or poultry at many of my meals (but less than half the time)” and 16% don’t eat these foods at more than half of their meals (but not all the time). Thus, 1/3 (33%) of the country are eating vegetarian meals a significant amount of the time (in addition to vegetarians)! n this survey, approximately 5% of the country say that they never eat meat, fish, seafood, or poultry. About half of these vegetarians are also vegan; that is they also don’t eat dairy or eggs. Note that we had respondents select that “I never eat meat, fish, seafood, or poultry” or “I never eat meat, fish, seafood, poultry, dairy, or eggs.” Because we use the word “never” and give the definition rather than having respondents self define, our numbers may be lower than other polls. We also did not ask about honey. METHODOLOGY This survey was conducted by Harris Interactive by telephone within the United States on behalf of the Vegetarian Resource Group between March 30 and April 3, 2011 among a nationwide cross section of 1,010 adults (aged 18 and over). Figures for age, sex, race, education, region, number of adults in household, and number of telephone lines were weighted where necessary to bring them into line with their actual proportions in the population. In theory, with probability samples of this size, one could say with 95 percent certainty that the results for the overall sample have a sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points. There are several other possible sources of error in all polls or surveys that are probably more serious than theoretical calculations of sampling error. They include refusals to be interviewed (e.g., non-response), question wording and question order, and weighting. It is impossible to quantify the errors that may result from these factors. HOW OFTEN DO AMERICANS EAT VEGETARIAN MEALS (no meat, fish, seafood, poultry)? 6% One meal per week 4% One full day per week 17% Many of my meals, but less than half the time 16% More than half my meals, but not all the time 5% Never eat meat, fish, seafood, or poultry 48% Thus we estimate this is the audience for good tasting vegetarian foods that fit individual needs. 48% Say they eat meat, fish, or poultry at all my meals. (The remainder didn’t know, refused to answer, or said none of the above.) |
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However, I just got more and more interested in being and staying healthy as I got older. I didn't want to end up with XYZ diseases. How much fun would that be? No fun at all.....people suffer from those diseases. So there may be a little bit of a trade off. But the end result is that I'm 71 and enjoying good health. And I don't have to take any medications. What's that worth? It's worth a lot to me. And, guess what? After a period of time you don't miss any of those processed foods. It's the same as when someone stops smoking. At first they can hardly stand to be without a smoke. Then, over time, they feel better and forget about smoking. It's much the same with food. |
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I get the science behind it all. Unless one lives alone and only has to think for themselves, it is really hard to "sell" the entire family on this regime. They may also understand it, but not too many want to walk the walk. We have a vegetarian neice who for the past twenty years has shunned all meat products (somewhat as a rebellion against her dad who sells meat)........the old story, "I won't eat anything with a face". Well, I've asked her what she actually eats now that she is a young mom of two babies. She eats those soy products which are made into fake hamburgers and fake meat. I don't find them very appetizing. To get her Vitamin B12, she said she eats GREEN BEANS but that is the only kind..according to her. She doesn't like any other legumes, such as our grandparents made into various soups, etc. No lentils, no white cannelini beans, no pea soup, etc. Macaroni and cheese........broccoli, soy products.....that's about it. I don't consider that a healthy diet. I do "get" the kale and yams and legumes and no dairy and no meat. Lots of fruits and veggies......no wheat..........in a nutshell. Yes to nuts. But sometimes, one does crave a hamburger on the grill. Do you bring your own food when invited to a barbecue? Or, just eat the corn on the cob and a green salad? No pasta salads, etc. No mayo, so no potato salad? Crudites with dip get a little old after awhile. Our adult kids eat very healthy and of all the stuff you seem to love. But they also eat a wide variety of other foods that are on the "no no" list, but in moderation. They run, they bike, they hike, they walk, etc.........rock climb. You name it. This generation is very into outdoor activities. I , as a child, loved white bean and escarole soup with lots of garlic and onions, etc........our kids also like the "peasant soups".........but still every now and then everyone craves a hot dog (as someone else said) or a hamburger...let's make that a cheeseburger. Every now and then isn't going to kill anyone. We were just chatting this morning about all of our friends who have died of cancer......or who have it.........they all were excellent athletes, into competitive cycling in Europe and U.S........ate like RABBITS........bone thin..........(so there shoots the obesity theory) , shunned fried foods.......shunned my eggplant parm recipe as the eggplant had to be breaded and fried. We are still alive. I don't make it but once or twice a year if one of the adult kids requests it during a visit. I try to avoid the "nightshades" myself, but they love it. As also mentioned........a lot of it has to do with genetics. As my mom would say, "when your number is up, it's up". p.s. The thing I'm more concerned about than animal "fat" is the hormones and antibiotics that are fed to them. p.s. 2: Re the Thai food which our kids also love at their favorite hometown Thai restaurant...... we used to love Chinese food, however, lately , it seems the chef there is overdosing with soy sauce even though we say no M.S.G..........what ever they are using does cause swelling and inflammation. So, unfortunately, there will be no more Chinese food. (I'd been trying the vegetarian versions of our favorites). |
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When vegan cookbook author John Schlimm throws a summertime barbecue, don't expect him to throw a bunch of soy burgers and veggie dogs onto the grill and call it good. "I want to show that there's so much more that can go on the grill than frozen veggie burgers and asparagus," he says. "You can put just about anything on the grill." Recipes included with this story: Rainbow Carrots With Cilantro Chile Drizzle; Tex-Mex Tempeh for TwoTropical Kebabs With Raspberry and Cointreau Dip. That's one of the reasons Schlimm wrote the just-released "Grilling Vegan Style," which features 125 recipes designed to add bite to any plant-based backyard barbecue. He also wanted to prove that grilling isn't just the domain of meat lovers. read more how us poor vegans deprive ourselves:beer3: Quote:
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You said you get science behind it all but some of the things you say R going against that science, just saying... I'm glad you you're at least interested in the subject. |
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The junk food gremlins. Talk about gremlins...........my "replies" are appearing on your green background above............ |
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A word about genetics
Genes for disease usually (perhaps not always) have to be triggered by something in the environment (including lifestyle). Even for some things that don't have to do with disease. There have been a lot of experiments/studies that show this result.
There are women with genes for breast cancer that never get breast cancer. At one time there was a lot of talk about a "violence gene". Studies showed: Those with the gene who grew up in a loving peaceful environment never became violent. Hair color can be changed by environmental conditions. One experiment with a rabbit was interesting: There were rabbits in a cold climate that walked around on snow a lot of the time. Their paws, nose and tail were black (the rest was white) and a scientist wondered if it was the cold that was responsible for the color. So they devised an experiment whereby they affixed an ice-pack to the rabbits back after shaving off some of the hair. When the hair grew back, it was black. So it had a black patch of hair on its back. Those are just a few examples. |
Since I brought up this topic I've had over a dozen PM's with questions, this may answer some issues directly from Caldwell B. Esselstyn, Jr., MD, F.A.C.S.
1. How is your approach to treating heart disease unique? My program is a nutrition-based therapy that has been scientifically-proven to reverse heart disease. There is no other treatment plan backed by a study as long as the one I conducted, or a study that has produced such dramatic, visible results. Coronary angiograms (X-Rays) of the patients in my study show an actual reversal of the disease. To experience these benefits, my patients must stick to my plant-based diet program strictly, but the effects are more than worth the effort. For those that are very sick, it is the most effective treatment option--far less dangerous and more effective than invasive surgical procedures such as stents and bypass (except in acute emergencies), and much more effective than drugs alone. Traditional cardiology has relied on technology to ease the symptoms of heart disease, but has not addressed its causes. My approach is not another stop-gap solution, it prevents heart disease from occurring in those who don't yet have the disease, and it heals the body and reverses the disease when symptoms are present. Best of all, over time the benefits endure and continue to improve. I am always excited when I see arrest and reversal in patient after patient and their joy and relief when they are free of the disease that was destroying them. 2. What would you say to someone considering a stent or other surgical procedure or drug therapy, to treat their heart disease? All heart patients who are not absolute emergencies should first have an aggressive opportunity at non surgical medical therapy. This is not just my opinion but that of expert cardiolgists from Boston, Hartford, Houston, Stanford, San Diego, Seattle and Cleveland. The difference in my case is that I advocate an aggressive plant based nutrition program to arrest and reverse the disease and to avoid all surgery. Drugs alone do not prevent heart attacks and stop symptoms of heart disease. 3. How do you encourage your patients to stay on the diet? There is no question it is hard at first. And it is hardest eating out at friends' houses. However, I am always impressed how well my patients do once they experience the relief of chest pain, weight loss, and the improved feeling of well being they have eating a plant-based diet. Then the motivation comes from within. It also helps that within 8-12 weeks of starting the program the fat receptor in the brain down regulates and they lose the craving for fat. And as they start feeling better and better, they know that they are the ones-- not their physician or their surgeon--that have control over the disease. It is a powerful feeling! 4. Why does the diet eliminate oil entirely? NO OIL! Not even olive oil, which goes against a lot of other advice out there about so-called good fats. The reality is that oils are extremely low in terms of nutritive value. They contain no fiber, no minerals and are 100% fat calories. And above all they contain saturated fat which immediately injures the endothelial lining of the arteries when eaten. It doesn't matter whether it's olive oil, corn oil, or any other kind of oil. You should not consume any oil if you have heart disease. This is so important I have detailed oil in Chapter 10. 5. Can you actually enjoy food on the program? We LOVE our food. Our children and grandchildren love our food and the patients love the food. Everyone loves the food once they give it a try. It is all a matter of attitude--and you do need a positive attitude to get started and to understand that this new way of eating is the best thing you can do for your body. Then, the body will help you adjust. You actually begin to lose your physiologically-based craving for fat. Once that occurs, you can fully appreciate the natural taste of plant foods--the colorful tastes and textures are difficult to surpass. 6. Why should I change? My health is excellent. No one escapes in the end--eventually the traditional western diet guarantees some form of disease in all of us. While it may not be heart disease at the moment, eventually it will be or hypertension, diabetes, stroke,obesity, gall stones, diverticulitis, rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, multiple sclerosis, or a greater likelihood of breast, prostate, colon, ovarian and uterine cancers. Even erectile dysfunction and dementia. The world famous Framingham Heart Study now approaching its 60th year looked at 1,000 people at age 50 who had normal blood pressure. They looked at the same group at age 70, and 90% now had high blood pressure. But there is something that you can do now to stop the cascading events that occur in the body and lead to disease. You can change your diet and begin safeguarding your health for the future. |
More Commonly Asked Questions
Protein - Where do I get my protein / What protein drink is best? Extra protein powder and shakes are truly unnecessary and have the potential for harm if they contain animal protein. The protein available through plant-based nutrition is adequate to nourish professional champion athletes such as the iron man, professional football, mixed martial arts, track and field, etc. Calcium – Where do I get calcium? Calcium supplementation is unnecessary. There is more than adequate calcium in a plant- based diet of whole grains, legumes and grains and especially the green leafy vegetables. Vitamins – What Vitamins should I take? A multivitamin is a reasonable way to be sure of obtaining the full spectrum of vitamins, but my preference, especially if one is eating copious amounts of green leafy vegetables, is to limit supplements to Vitamin D as necessary to maintain blood level in the normal range and B -12. Fish Oil - Should I take fish oil? Fish oil is not essential. Fish get their omega 3 from plants. It is difficult to be deficient in Omega 3 if eating 1-2 tablespoons of flax seed meal and green leafy vegetables at several meals. There is also research that suggests that those on plant based nutrition become highly efficient in their own manufacture of omega 3. Patients on fish oil are also at increased risk for bleeding. Flax Seed Oil/ Flax Seed Meal – What about flax seed oil? Flax seed meal is well tolerated and supplies a bonus of omega 3 using 1 or 2 tablespoons on cereal daily. Avoid flax seed oil. Olive oil, canola oil, coconut oil, Sunflower oil, soybean oil, peanut oil, any oil – Which oil is best? Avoid oils. They injure the endothelium, the innermost lining of the artery, and that injury is the gateway to vascular disease. Lotions with oil – Is it all right to use lotions with oil on my skin? It is fine to use lotions with oil on your skin. Omega 3 – How do I get my Omega 3’s? Omega 3 ‘s are essential fatty acids supplied in adequate amounts in people consuming plant based nutrition with plenty of green leafy vegetables. Family history –I have a bad family history? Does it matter? Family history can shed light on whether one has an increased risk, but multiple autopsy studies of the young confirm that all who are consuming the standard western diet have established, albeit early, vascular disease. Family history loads the gun but lifestyle pulls the trigger. Nuts – What about nuts? I hear so many different opinions. For those with established heart disease to add more saturated fat is inappropriate. For people with no heart disease who want to eat nuts and avocado and are able to achieve a cholesterol of 150 and LDL of 80 or under without cholesterol lowering drugs, some nuts and avocado are acceptable. No nuts for heart disease patients, includes peanuts and peanut butter, even though peanuts are officially a legume. Chestnuts are the one nut, very low in fat, it is ok to eat. Seeds (sunflower, pumpkin, sesame) Are seeds ok to eat? Some seeds sprinkled on bread or crackers, etc., are acceptable. Just don’t eat handfuls. Prostate cancer- Does plant based eating help prostate cancer? Prostate cancer is greatly lessoned by plant- based nutrition as best exemplified by the 1958 report confirming by autopsy 18 deaths in the entire nation of Japan. Egg whites, fat free milk, yogurt – So What is wrong with egg whites, fat free yogurt, skim milk? Egg whites, fat free milk and yogurt are ALL animal protein, and animal protein injures the lining of the arteries. Do not eat. Cholesterol Number fluctuation – Why do my cholesterol numbers fluctuate? Fluctuation of cholesterol is normal. It is nice to have it fluctuating in a range that would indicate you are unlikely to have cardio vascular problems. Losing weight –What can I do to stop losing too much weight? If you are losing too much weight, EAT MORE calories. Increase portion size. Eat snacks. Eat more whole grains and beans. HDL- My doctor is so concerned because my HDL has gone down It is not uncommon for HDL to fall when cholesterol falls. Do not be alarmed. The capacity of HDL to do its job has been shown recently by scientific research that there is no relationship between the capacity of the HDL molecule to function optimally and its blood level. Recent research has confirmed that the HDL molecule can be injured and weakened when one is ingesting a pro inflammatory western diet and conversely it appears despite a lower than normal level to be optimized by anti inflammatory plant based-nutrition. LDL - Where should my LDL be? LDL is the bad cholesterol. The closer it can be to 80-85, the better. However, if one is unable to take statin drugs and eating plant-based nutrition, and the LDL won’t go lower than 95-105, it would appear that they will still be fine. The lesson we learned from the Tarahumara Indians, who never have cardiovascular disease, is that the most key protective element is not so much the pure LDL number as is knowing that nothing ever is eaten which is a building block of vascular disease or can injure endothelium. Statins - Should I take statins or not? Statins are not the reason that cultures such as the Tarhumara and the Papua Highlanders do not have cardiovascular disease. Statins appear to have no benefit in primary prevention but are of some help in slowing disease progression for those who already have an established diagnosis of cardiovascular disease. Clearly some of our most profound successes in arresting and reversing disease were with patients who either refused or were incapable of taking statins. Nothing is as powerful for the prevention of cardiovascular disease as plant based nutrition. Coumadin – Can I eat leafy greens when I am on Coumadin? Coumadin (Warfarin) is an anti clotting drug shown to have significant benefit in protecting people with atrial fibrillation from having a stroke. Can patients on Coumadin eat all the green leafy vegetables with vitamin k, which may shorten their clotting time? The answer most emphatically is YES! Merely inform the physician who is monitoring the Coumadin and clotting time that you are regularly going to be eating copious amounts of healthy green leafy vegetables. He/she will appropriately adjust the Coumadin dose. Juicing- Is it all right to juice? Do not juice. You lose all the fiber and its benefits. Fruit juice – What about fruit juice? Drinking fruit juice is like pouring the sugar bowl down your throat. It is fine to eat the whole fruit. Do not drink the juice. Smoothies – How about smoothies? I love them! Avoid smoothies. The fiber is so finely pureed that its helpful properties are destroyed. The sugar is stripped from the fruit, bypasses salivary digestion and results in a surge of glucose and the accompanying fructose contributes to inflammation and hypertension. A Fib- Will plant nutrition work for A Fib? While A Fib is largely independent of nutrition, and is a heart rhythm abnormality, there are some subset of cases which are presumably related to less than optimal heart circulation. While it would be totally inappropriate for me to suggest plant - based nutrition would cure atrial fibrillation, the many ancillary benefits would indicate plant based nutrition would be of value. Calcium score- Is a calcium score helpful? With cardiac CT you get a big hit of radiation. If you have been eating the typical American diet, you have heart disease as autopsy studies have shown. Erectile dysfunction- Will erectile dysfunction reverse with plant based nutrition? We have seen erectile dysfunction reverse on multiple occasions. Those who follow the program most closely have the best results. How long it takes varies. Do Cholesterol Numbers Matter? What you eat matters most. LDL 85 or under is the ideal but it can vary if you eat plant based. Sugar- How much sugar is safe? Newer information suggests that excess sugar is harmful, especially fructose, one of the most commonly ingested sugars, which can contribute to inflammation and hyper tension as well as weight gain and exacerbating diabetes Coffee – Can I drink coffee? Avoid coffee with caffeine. Several studies indicate it may contribute injury to the lining of the artery. Soy products – What about soy products? Soy products are 40% fat and most of them are highly processed. An excess of soy protein may stimulate insulin growth factor, which is a tumor promoter. Eat soy products cautiously. Does eating plant based help with congestive heart Failure? There are multiple components in the treatment of congestive heart failure. It is our experience that when all the usual therapies have been instituted, there can be additional improvement with the introduction of whole food, plant based nutrition. I am looking for a cardiologist or someone who practices life style like you in my area. This is the most common question I get. There are a few doctors who practice lifestyle change, and hopefully there will be more. For those wanting to come for guidance, we have developed once to twice month a single day intensive seminar at the Cleveland Clinic Wellness Institute. There are so many different diets out there…Paleo, blood type, how do I know which one to choose? That is not as challenging as it may appear. You can separate hype from scientific reality by seeing if the author has done peer reviewed scientific research prior to bringing the ideas to the public. What is the difference between plant protein and animal protein? While the precise mechanisms need to be elucidated, animal and epidemiological studies as well as the brachial artery tourniquet test, confirm that animal protein accelerates both atherosclerosis and cancer, whereas plant protein does not. . |
Having recently read the books by Dr. Esselstyne and Dr. Campbell, I did more research on my own. From all sides, this information is very enlightening. I am very impressed! Thank you, Jimbo.
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Adds to anyone's general knowledge and kind of gives you a recharge of the old scientific method and ways to prove the facts of anything scientific...or disprove them. |
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Just took a quick glance at Bad Science and the concern I had was that it seems to be predicated on the presupposition that if it can't be shown to be valid through a scientific means, then it's validity is questionable.
Somehow that seems very limiting to me, as there are so many things that we know to be useful and "working" that may not yet be scientifically "proven" and it seems a shame that so many people are dissuaded from finding out for themselves what might work. I find that if something "feels" useful to me, then it is often worth trying out regardless of it's "scientific" validity. Homeopathy and Flower Essences are a good case in point and have "proven" themselves to me and many others to be most useful in many cases, even for my dogs. I hate to think of where I'd be if I hadn't had arnica and rescue remedy in my purse when I fell down hit my knees, wrists, shoulder, and head in Eustis. Didn't even get a bruising, but it was a foolish way to find out that at least I don't have Osteo! Maybe we haven't created the machinery or techniques yet to measure and/or test the "older" methods that have been around longer than the allopathic approach. JMHO LW888 |
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Use vegan diet to reverse diabetes (typeII)
By David Liu, PHD 6/24/12
Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine recommends a vegan diet for diabetes patients and claims that the disease can be reversed by following a plant-based diet. The following are the advice from the organization. 1) Diabetes patients should use a vegan diet that comes without red meat, poultry, fish, dairy products and eggs. That is, get rid of animal protein and fat from your diet. Meat contains saturated fat, which is associated with heart disease, insulin resistance and some types of cancer. Meat is also high in protein which can promote kidney problems and calcium losses. Meat contains cholesterol. Meat does not have healthful carbohydrates, fiber and other vital nutrients such as antioxidative phytochemicals. 2) People with diabetes should avoid added vegetables oils and other high fat foods in their diet. Saturated fat and trans fat have been associated with increased risk of diabetes. Vegetable oils are healthier than animal fat, but still have a negative impact if you eat too much fat, regardless of its origin. Foods that should be avoided include foods fried in oil, oily toppings, and olives, avocados and peanut butter. 3) Diabetics should use a diet with low glycemic index. A food with a higher glycemic index can release blood sugar faster, which can worsen the disease. High GI foods that should be avoided include white or wheat bread, most cold cereals, watermelon, pineapple, potatoes, sugar and any sugar added foods and beverages. 4) People with diabetes should use high fiber foods. The goal is to use 40 grams of fiber per day. High fiber foods include beans, vegetables, fruits, and whole grains including barley, oats, quinoa, millet and whole wheat pasta. 5) Diabetes people should use foods with less calories. It is advised that they use soups, salads and foods cooked in water as part of their diet. These foods make them feel full, but they do not contain much calories. 6) Diabetes people are encouraged to use as much as of grains, legumes, fruits and vegetables. It is okay that they eat small amounts of non-fat condiments, fat-free vegan cookies and crackers, alcohol and coffee. 7) Diabetes people should avoid using too much protein. Intake of too much protein can do more harm than good. It is believed that for most people, it is sufficient to eat a diet with 10% or 11% calories from protein. Americans on average eat more than 16% of total calories from protein. Those who need more protein may choose to eat more beans, asparagus, mushrooms and broccoli. 8) Diabetes people as well as healthy people should eat calcium rich foods such as broccoli, kale, collards, mustard greens, beans, figs, fortified juices and cereals and soy or rice milks. (The writer does not recommend using soy milk as it has been reported that soy milk can contain high levels of aluminum). 9) Vegan diet followers should take vitamin B12 supplements. Most vitamin B12 supplements are not easily absorbed, but it is recommended that 5 micrograms per day should be taken. Vitamin B12 is the only nutrient that vegans miss. Source |
Subway Introduces Vegan-friendly Sandwiches
Now offering a new selection of healthier sandwiches for vegans.
The three new sandwiches are Sweet Riblet, Malibu Greek and Italian Black Bean. These items contain vegetarian “meats” such as meat-free, soy-based turkey, ham and chicken. http://abcnews.go.com/images/Enterta...0614_wblog.jpg Consumers are able to order as many vegetables as they want on the Veggie Delight, but the sandwich is packed with cheese, a product vegans stay away from. The decision comes from the animal-advocacy group Compassion Over Killing’s campaign to have Subway introduce healthier and more humane vegan meals that offer more protein. COK set up a website, WeLoveSubway.com to allow users to voice their opinions and request more vegan meal options. The group successfully petitioned Subway to offer the “Totally Vegged” vegetable patties in Canada last year. COK was also successful in persuading Morningstar Farms, Lightlife, BOCA Foods and Quorn to remove or eliminate egg-based ingredients. Subway discovered last year that their flatbreads contained vitamin D3 and L-cysteine, which are derived from sheep’s wool and duck feathers, respectively. The ingredients were removed and Subway stated that all other ingredients in their Italian and garlic breads are “plant-derived.” Subway’s other vegan-approved breads include Italian White Bread, Hearty Italian White Bread , Light Wheat English Muffin , Roasted Garlic Bread and Sourdough Bread |
I've posted in a previous thread about my way of while being conscious of the nutritional aspects of foods I eat, I don't deny myself delicious food purely for lack of decided health benefits. All things in moderation I was always taught, and that's how I try to behave. In full disclosure, I do have an active life and have a 3 times a week vigorous workout at the gym each week.
But in the spirit of some humor in conjunction with a feeling of "what the heck?", these two women in the link below leave me to wonder about all of this. I Rest My Case |
This story is from my paper in NY but it can be anywhere.
Does this look healthy? http://longislandreport.org/wp-conte...od-Feature.jpg 100% vegan |
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Soy Milk?
Just an aside about soy products. I know that I really did a number on myself when I switched to alot of soy products over a number of years in an effort to stay as plant based as possible many years ago when it was first touted as a "healthy" food source. Even was macrobiotic before that for some time but found it very difficult to maintain with teenage kids. I went hypo thyroid and am now just getting back to some semblance of balance. I stopped soy products about 10-15 years ago and avoid soy protein isolates as well. Rice milk and almond milk seem healthier choices as opposed to dairy. Wish we could access raw milk, but that's a whole other story! It is a shame what Food Inc. and all the mega farming practices have done to our land and our food chain. I am currently finding it so frustrating to find "good healthy options" especially as beans and lentils are our least favourite foods. I'm just ranting so please ignore what doesn't resonate.
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Attitude of Gratitude
Just realized that an attitude of gratitude could get me out of the ranty mood. Going to do my best to eat whatever I have with a vibration of gratitude and appreciation and then the body can do what it wants with it! That feels better. Making a simple chinese meal an intend to enjoy it thoroughly.
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Same back to you Gracie. And we really enjoyed our dinner so the shift in attitude must have helped...and as you and others have said before, that's my story and I'm sticking to it!
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In reading this thread....I recall a story (think it was in the late 80's or early 90's) where this guy collapsed with a heart attack (I think he was running). This was a man (I wish I could remember his name) who was nationally known due to a book he had written on diet/exercise. He was an avid runner and looked the picture of health. I'm thinking at time of death he was in his late 40's---he wasn't "old". It was found he had severe cardiac disease and was a ticking time bomb even though on the outside he looked to be the epitomy of health.
I think diet/exercise is important, don't get me wrong! But doesn't genetics play a part in our bodies? I know of folks in my own family who are adhering to all of this and still their bodies are "falling apart" and their general health is declining. My belief is to use common sense and moderation in everything! |
genetics can be helped or modified by diet & exercise also.
If you are pre disposed to high BP & cholesterol those can be without a doubt eliminated by diet alone without exercise, with exercise more so. genetics to type II diabetes > diet can eliminate it. genetics for cancer > diet can curtail it's growth in certain types. Some (not all) of what we attribute to genetics from our parents & siblings R in fact NOT genetics but bad diets on their part. |
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Yes, I agree with your post. It's what I was trying to relay last week on another thread....... Some people, including JIM FIX, the author of the 1977 best selling book, "THE COMPLETE BOOK OF RUNNING", who although apparently attempting to do everything right, died on July 20, 1984, at age 51. Someone on this forum totally misunderstood everything I said about genetics and our D.N.A. being an important element in our life span, irregardless of what we eat or don't eat......based on personal histories of people I have known in my lifetime.........including those like JIM FIX who exercised & no doubt also ate "well" but still died young. I take the ornery folks with a grain of salt........sea salt that is... Instead of worrying over every morsel of food they consume, to the point of being fanatical about it.........perhaps they need a little sugar...or prune juice. Everything in moderation, from all the food groups......as you said. Thanks for posting..........many people are born with congenital heart conditions, through no fault of their own. Life is indeed short.........so why become a "nervous nellie" over every item of food that others choose to consume. All of our days are numbered. |
This is why I don't agree, let me explain what really happened to Mr. Fixx and share with you the facts.
Fixx started running in 1967 at age 36. He weighed 240 pounds (110 kg) and smoked two packs of cigarettes per day. On July 20, 1984, Fixx died at age 52 of a fulminant heart attack (sudden heart attack), after his daily run on Vermont Route 15 in Hardwick. The autopsy revealed that atherosclerosis had blocked one coronary artery 95%, a second 85%, and a third 70%. It was reported that Fixx also had a stressful occupation, he had undergone a second divorce. That is not genetics, that is diet :mmmm: Arteries can be unblocked and opened up that is clear fact on on a plant based diet. |
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Antioxidants found in plants can protect your body from beginning cancer but it can't stop it if it has begun. I don't know how anyone could say that it slowed it down. There are so many forms of cancer and each is a separate illness. The plant based diet is not as easy for most people to sustain for the long haul as a sensible diet low in fat, low in meat, and with a lot of whole grains and lots of vegetables. A healthy diet such as espoused by Weight Watchers is an excellent one to follow for the long haul. Add age appropriate exercise and see your doctor for tests every six months. If you take supplements tell him what they are and listen to his advice on taking them. It is good that you find the plant based diet is keeping you healthy but it is pretty extreme for most of us. |
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Veggies are great. I love them. However, other components do play a role in longevity.......or early death. Maybe the folks who believe in reincarnation are luckier....they don't worry about death and dying so much........knowing they will return. Perhaps some of our antagonists are evolved souls who know everything. All I can relay is what I've seen. In theory it all sounds super great. However, it does NOT work for everyone with predisposition to various diseases. |
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A major contributing factor to any disease (dis-ease) is the emotional component, and if a person doesn't pay attention to his/her emotional health then the body will continue to "talk", regardless of the diet you are on. There are many people who understand "body talk" and it is related to what you believe and feel about what you are eating. That is why it is so important to do your best to be happy with your choices. A lot of obesity is related to emotional eating and if the emotional reason for eating isn't addressed, then the person will continue to get messages from the body to pay attention in the form of some kind of "disorder".
My personal belief is that emotional health and the belief that you can handle whatever comes up, is the basis for a good healthy life and from that place you can make choices more easily as to what feels best for you, regardless of what the flavour of the month is. The right foods will feel right not because they make sense, but because they "resonate" with your clearer sense of what you need. JMHO LW888 |
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