Just so we know who
 

got us here...

In 2007, Obama right after he became a candidate announced a health plan to SEIU union health care seminar and when asked for details he had none....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbJCBP_2RvI&t=380]Health Care Forum: Barack Obama (1 of 3) - YouTube[/ame]

He said he had a principal but for sure everybody will be in.

Two months later he brings out his plan, and claims everyone is in. He had focused on price in this plan. Everybody listened to his claims and debunked them all

In the fall of 2007, Hillary Clinton introduces her plan that DID put everybody in

Clinton Health Plan Outlined

Now it was Clinton and Edwards against Obama on getting everyone in the plans.

In 2008 during a debate he is asked about not having everyone in and he says...

""A mandate means that in some fashion, everybody will be forced to buy health insurance." Instead of going that route, his plan, he said, "emphasizes lowering costs."

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dYrscErXdI]Universal Health Care Democratic Debate 01-21-08 - YouTube[/ame]

The entire campaign he kept saying..if you elect Hilarry you will be required to have insurance..if you elect me, I will give you your freedom and lower your costs.

PolitiFact | Her mandate doesn't mention garnishment

His strong objection to a mandate lasted a few months into his presidency and then he changed. We had elected a President who was either grandly persuaded that huge government power was necessary OR he only told us during the campaign because it would help get him elected.

When the bill came out, Republicans immediately called it a tax and Obama strongly objected....

""For us to say that you've got to take a responsibility to get health insurance, is absolutely not a tax increase. What's it's saying is that we're not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you."

Obama: Mandate is Not a Tax - ABC News

From a White House memo..

"what President Obama is proposing is not a tax, but a requirement to comply with the law."

Word from the White House: Common Ground on Health Insurance Reform & The Real Health Care Tax | The White House

During arguments in SCOTUS, the government (Obama) actually argued BOTH..they said it was a mandate and a tax. Again, not what is best...what ever gets my way.

I post this because this is and has been Obama...he does not tell the truth...he flat out lies for his own accomodation and does it over and over and over.

This is the man that some adore.....cannot figure it out. These are not innuendos, they are out and out lies.

I have posted many of his lies on here and what bothers me a lot about this one is that I got sucked in with his phoney baloney on this one from the beginning. I wanted so much of what is in this bill but it is bad bad policy and I am offended that is was begat with and by lies.

as usual
 

a very good post, bucco. save your blood pressure and just use your right to vote in nov....that is the best recourse...

The Affordable Care Act is the law of the land. It is 100% legal and constitutional.

Get over it. Move on with your life.

So was slavery for a time and look what happended there.

Yep,sounds like Scott is preparing FL for secession now. :yuck:

ObamaCare was passed in an extremely Unconstitutional manner, but that doesn't make it right. What will make it right is repealing it.

We'll move on that.

since we all know politicians do try to please the voting block that elected them, how about a possibility that he is responding to what he hears from his constituency and it just so happens some of you are not his supporters hence the negative dialogue.

Remember that the health care legislation was opposed by a majority of Americans when being proposed, the majority was clearly against it during the 2010 elections and what you are seeing is politicians following the wishes of the majority.

btk

I think that you are absolutey correct on this !!!

Now, I realize I am biased on this, but such a BFD, a wide sweeping policy, something that touches all lives, as this deserves better than this, as this political MOOD, if you will, followed him to the WH. It

The Supreme Court decided that the Affordable Care Act IS constitutional. Get over it.

Lots of people did not think Roe v. Wade was a good decision - but it is the law of the land. Get over it.

What I don't understand is why we can't have a conversation, a real discussion about the law? It seems like when I ask someone who is jumping up and down, why they are so happy, I get screamed at and called a liar and demands that I take a side.

True story. On a very liberal/much younger (no offense guys, you know I'm 50. I'm talking 20 and 30 year olds as a majority, very liberal - with on SSDI, working at a college/university or studying in one type people.) Very intellectual. People with advanced degrees. You have to argue using empirical evidence type discussions.

A fellow who is very well respected on the forum said, "I am very happy for the 30 million Americans.

"I am very happy for the hundreds of thousands of unborn babies of previously uninsured pregnant mothers, who now get the same prenatal care without having to rely on charity. I foresee infant mortality rates in the US catch up with West European standards."

I responded, "...what do you mean? Can you explain that a little more? In the US, we already have programs for women and infants. Pregnant women and children do get medical care on a sliding scale – regardless or income levels. All women, regardless of income, get OB/GYN care on a sliding scale – regardless of income. Most localities provide dental care for children in the same manner through the state health departments."

For two straight days on that forum, no one would answer my question. I was called a liar and belittled in ways that...Let's just say, I'd never talk to another human like that.

I asked about care for some friends of mine who live in Florida and can't afford insurance for their spouses. At this time in their lives, even the $270 monthly payment is more than they want to pay for the care she would receive with the state insurance pool thing. Anyway. I think it is a sad day in America when you are asking questions and trying to understand something and help someone, you are ridiculed.

Responses like Coralway's, "Get over it. Get on with your life," really amaze me. Are you serious talking like that to Bucco. He is a decent person who deserves respect @coralway. Why do you have to post something like that instead of addressing what Bucco posted?

Your pal Bucco's post says the President lies. I show Bucco the same level of respect he shows our President !!!!!!

Instead of your typical remarks...why don't you actually address the topic and answer some of the questions posed.

If you respect Mr. Obama as much as you say you do, try disputing or debating others views rather than belittle them.:undecided:

That's right. Show us where it says the POTUS lied and show us evidence that he didn't. That is a discussion. Please, I'm just asking for respect and perhaps we can learn something from each other.

The subject of this thread - at least as far as I can tell - is "just so we know who got us here".

ACA was passed by the US Congress, it was signed into law by The President of the United States, and it was upheld by The US Supreme Court.

That's how we got here.

if the aca is the law of the land, legal, and constitutional please explain why so many unions/businesses have received an exemption from having to participate in it. thank you.