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lightworker888 07-23-2012 06:33 AM

Now we can't share info????
 
Just got this link and it is amazing how brazen the gov't is in censoring the communication of information. Where is the self-empowerment and self responsibility in this picture? Where does this leave blogs and message boards?

Is the ADA Manipulated by the Food Industry?

Also got an update on the Merck story and I thought it was worth sharing.


Is the ADA Manipulated by the Food Industry?


LW888

bimmertl 07-23-2012 07:50 AM

Somehow Dr. Mercola, whose articles are linked in this thread, shows up on the "quackwatch" web site? Form your own opinion of Dr. Mercola by reading their opinion and check out some of the articles linked from the quackwatch site.

FDA Orders Dr. Joseph Mercola to Stop Illegal Claims

lightworker888 07-23-2012 10:23 AM

I choose to look beyond any FDA accusations. I have used some of Dr. Mercola's products over the years, and found them to be useful. I have been a subscriber since the inception and found that it was a useful site to get very current info from developers, researchers and other people in related areas of health and life. I have found that in the long run, things I have heard or read on the site have been shown to have merit (eg. higher doses of Vit D) long before it becomes both popular and accurate according to the general medical community.

I cannot even go to the place of following FDA recommendations as I have yet to find them useful and since learning years ago about the connection between the FDA and Monsanto and following the dots, I still feel as strongly about how the public is being led by $$$.

It amazes me how some very intelligent, educated, well-intended people, give their power away and trust their lives to others when they can get the information and learn and decide for themselves. I believe there is a place for the use of pharmaceuticals, but only as a last resort. I also believe that the tried and true practices of TCM and Homeopathy which are far older than Western Medicine, can keep most people in a better state of true health.

As for as Quackwatch, I can't even begin to go there. If that is a site that someone feels drawn to for their information, then we are on very different paths and it would be a challenge for me to have an intelligent conversation as it is so far from how I am moving in the world.

That being said, I am glad that more people are at least searching for info. I keep remembering how new ideas are usually, ignored, ridiculed and/or rejected, before they become commonly accepted. It makes me happy to know that more and more people are becoming interested in self direction. After all, life is really about living the choices we make, whether we choose consciously or by default. I'm doing my best to live consciously and I see more and more who are making the same choice. Heck, we all chose one way or the other to live in TV!

LW888

Villages PL 07-23-2012 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bimmertl (Post 526779)
Somehow Dr. Mercola, whose articles are linked in this thread, shows up on the "quackwatch" web site? Form your own opinion of Dr. Mercola by reading their opinion and check out some of the articles linked from the quackwatch site.

FDA Orders Dr. Joseph Mercola to Stop Illegal Claims

Thank you for providing an informative link.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...... :)

senior citizen 07-25-2012 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by lightworker888 (Post 526865)
I choose to look beyond any FDA accusations. I have used some of Dr. Mercola's products over the years, and found them to be useful. I have been a subscriber since the inception and found that it was a useful site to get very current info from developers, researchers and other people in related areas of health and life. I have found that in the long run, things I have heard or read on the site have been shown to have merit (eg. higher doses of Vit D) long before it becomes both popular and accurate according to the general medical community.

I cannot even go to the place of following FDA recommendations as I have yet to find them useful and since learning years ago about the connection between the FDA and Monsanto and following the dots, I still feel as strongly about how the public is being led by $$$.

It amazes me how some very intelligent, educated, well-intended people, give their power away and trust their lives to others when they can get the information and learn and decide for themselves. I believe there is a place for the use of pharmaceuticals, but only as a last resort. I also believe that the tried and true practices of TCM and Homeopathy which are far older than Western Medicine, can keep most people in a better state of true health.

As for as Quackwatch, I can't even begin to go there. If that is a site that someone feels drawn to for their information, then we are on very different paths and it would be a challenge for me to have an intelligent conversation as it is so far from how I am moving in the world.

That being said, I am glad that more people are at least searching for info. I keep remembering how new ideas are usually, ignored, ridiculed and/or rejected, before they become commonly accepted. It makes me happy to know that more and more people are becoming interested in self direction. After all, life is really about living the choices we make, whether we choose consciously or by default. I'm doing my best to live consciously and I see more and more who are making the same choice. Heck, we all chose one way or the other to live in TV!

LW888

Hi
Just returned from family vacation plus visiting with grandchildren and spotted this post.........just wondering if you've had luck with his website responding to potential customer's questions and/or orders?

About a year ago, I contacted them (link below) re their free range chickens and other products.........not one response. I contacted them again and ditto. ????

At the time I didn't know he was on a quack list, whatever that is.

My opinion is that anyone who wishes to run a viable website from which to sell their products, should also read their correspondence and check their orders daily..........all of the major online "stores" are speedy to reply and fulfill an order, sending immediate confirmations.........



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Barefoot 07-25-2012 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bimmertl (Post 526779)
Somehow Dr. Mercola, whose articles are linked in this thread, shows up on the "quackwatch" web site? Form your own opinion of Dr. Mercola by reading their opinion and check out some of the articles linked from the quackwatch site.

FDA Orders Dr. Joseph Mercola to Stop Illegal Claims

I respect Lightworker's views a lot, she is definitely well educated and well researched, and she has a lot of credibility. I know she is a Dr. Mercola fan. I do believe that as a society we're over medicated and that diet plays an essential role in our health. However I'm always skeptical of claims made by Dr. Oz and others on his show, which are primarily headline grabbers. I found this information in one of the links, which highlights what I think is worrisome about Dr. Mercola's claims.

In the opinion of David Gorski, a doctor who runs a site similar to Barrett’s (ScienceBasedMedicine.org), the problem is that Mercola either vastly exaggerates preliminary research or cherry-picks studies that bolster his point of view. Gorski believes that Mercola also ignores data that prove him wrong or pushes far beyond what is scientifically sound, using scare tactics to make his point. For example, his site includes an article by a California doctor titled “HIV Does Not Cause AIDS.” Mercola posted a comment at the end of the article: “Exposure to steroids and the chemicals in our environment, the drugs used to treat AIDS, stress, and poor nutrition are possibly the real causes.”

senior citizen 07-25-2012 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 526962)
Thank you for providing an informative link.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...... :)

I was surprised to learn these past few years HOW MANY young parents of newborns, toddlers, etc. totally agree with him on immunization for infants, etc.............meaning DO NOT immunize for fear of autism or what have you.

I'm not talking backwoods uneducated folks, but highly educated, multiple degrees, well read, well spoken generation of young parents who are afraid of immunizing their babies..........whereas we just did what was expected in the 1960's and 1970's.......without doing any research into it one way or another.

My son was the generation when they STOPPED giving the smallpox shots. Our first child did get that innoculation; he did not. At the time, other young moms, myself included, wondered if someday when those little boys grew up to adulthood..........and a smallpox epidemic came about , would they be all wiped out? However, we did not "rock the boat".....

It's interesting to hear the different viewpoints of young parents today vs when we raised our children..........

For example, he opposes immunization [4]

lightworker888 07-25-2012 09:07 AM

To answer your question, Senior Citizen, and thanks Bare
 
I have always ordered anything from Mercola by phone and have always had a live person and good customer service. I don't remember seeing anything about live products and probably if it was at the time I was in Canada I would have ignored it.

Just to set the record straight, when I first subscribed to Mercola, it was before he was selling products. He was one of the first to go on the internet and his goal was to educate more people about how to take personal responsibility for one's health and he wanted to let people know that "big brother" was not watching out for us. I found his interviews with the researchers and developers most interesting and I still feel that his research team does a good job of keeping abreast of what is actually going on.

Over the years as the product list grew, I too became disenchanted, however, I would always find interesting facts in the articles that would be hard to research for myself. His link to the VIt D council newsletter, long before the need for more Vit D became more public, has been invaluable.

At one point I put the letter on "spam" just to reduce the inbox stuff and I was dropped from the subscription list. When I started to realize that I wasn't getting the info, I called to resubscribe, even though I usually get my products from other sources. I did get the Air Purifier which to me is the best one on the market and it was at the best price. Although it is a portable, it still does the whole house.

I am very conscious of what some others think of the info from Mercola, but my strategy is to read and feel for myself what resonates with all the other info that I have learned and am getting.

The whole paradigm of health, healing and wellness is changing and shifting as more info and understanding about quantum theory and vibrational medicine becomes more understood and widespread. I think that Mercola has a good sense of that and is open to sharing what he feels will be useful. Too much info will affect the readership as he knows that even people who read his newsletter are on different parts of the path to wellness and self-direction. His 7 steps to good health plan does not require the purchasing of any of his products and they are not so "weird" that more people can work the plan, so that will mean that more people will continue down the path which is his mission - taking responsibility for one's own health and life.

If his approach doesn't feel right, it doesn't necessarily mean that it is wrong.
We all are not be at the same point in our journey so at any given moment in time, there will be things that are not "right" for everyone. However, when you have read something, it adds to your total world view, and as your picture enlarges, those bits of info that may not have made sense before, might just be the pieces that you need to make sense of some new info that you have received. How many time have you remembered something that you "heard somewhere" that at the time didn't make any sense and later you realize how it relates to you. So my philosophy is not to throw the baby out with the bath and remember about the ridicule, reject and ignore before acceptance saying.

Sorry for the long hijack. I just felt I needed to clarify my position. I hope I'm not as "weird" as some seem to feel, although I know that I am somewhat "out there".........but life is good and TV is a big place! There's room for us all.

senior citizen 07-25-2012 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by lightworker888 (Post 527951)
I have always ordered anything from Mercola by phone and have always had a live person and good customer service. I don't remember seeing anything about live products and probably if it was at the time I was in Canada I would have ignored it.

Just to set the record straight, when I first subscribed to Mercola, it was before he was selling products. He was one of the first to go on the internet and his goal was to educate more people about how to take personal responsibility for one's health and he wanted to let people know that "big brother" was not watching out for us. I found his interviews with the researchers and developers most interesting and I still feel that his research team does a good job of keeping abreast of what is actually going on.

Over the years as the product list grew, I too became disenchanted, however, I would always find interesting facts in the articles that would be hard to research for myself. His link to the VIt D council newsletter, long before the need for more Vit D became more public, has been invaluable.

At one point I put the letter on "spam" just to reduce the inbox stuff and I was dropped from the subscription list. When I started to realize that I wasn't getting the info, I called to resubscribe, even though I usually get my products from other sources. I did get the Air Purifier which to me is the best one on the market and it was at the best price. Although it is a portable, it still does the whole house.

I am very conscious of what some others think of the info from Mercola, but my strategy is to read and feel for myself what resonates with all the other info that I have learned and am getting.

The whole paradigm of health, healing and wellness is changing and shifting as more info and understanding about quantum theory and vibrational medicine becomes more understood and widespread. I think that Mercola has a good sense of that and is open to sharing what he feels will be useful. Too much info will affect the readership as he knows that even people who read his newsletter are on different parts of the path to wellness and self-direction. His 7 steps to good health plan does not require the purchasing of any of his products and they are not so "weird" that more people can work the plan, so that will mean that more people will continue down the path which is his mission - taking responsibility for one's own health and life.

If his approach doesn't feel right, it doesn't necessarily mean that it is wrong.
We all are not be at the same point in our journey so at any given moment in time, there will be things that are not "right" for everyone. However, when you have read something, it adds to your total world view, and as your picture enlarges, those bits of info that may not have made sense before, might just be the pieces that you need to make sense of some new info that you have received. How many time have you remembered something that you "heard somewhere" that at the time didn't make any sense and later you realize how it relates to you. So my philosophy is not to throw the baby out with the bath and remember about the ridicule, reject and ignore before acceptance saying.

Sorry for the long hijack. I just felt I needed to clarify my position. I hope I'm not as "weird" as some seem to feel, although I know that I am somewhat "out there".........but life is good and TV is a big place! There's room for us all.


I hear you. I appreciate your input. A friend had recommended his site to me when we were discussing free range chicken (in person); I went to the site later and had some questions which no one ever responded to.

I wasn't confident or certain that this wasn't an abandoned website just floating around in cyberspace.

I understand what you mean by being selective in choosing various products. I thought I wanted that latest gizmo which I believe is an infrared, hand held device, for arthritic knees, etc............received it as a gift.......it would be nice if it was larger or I didn't have to hold it in place with the arthritic wrist. Can't win. It wasn't purchased from Mercola, but some other website............the heat is soothing......but it's teeny tiny......later Dr. Oz showed the same gizmo. Or similar.
Mine was the:
LED Technologies DPL Nuve Handheld Light Therapy Device

It was well over $150............at the time, it was being sold for arthritic pain; now I see it's being sold for "wrinkles". Obviously, I'm not using it.
So, I do hear you about being selective with these products.............................


I always liked Oz when he was on Oprah..........but his new show, as others have noted to me as well........seems to be a mass advertising campaign for various supplements, etc.

Has anyone out there tried "JOINT JUICE" which Joe Montana advertises on t.v.? It has no shellfish in it's glucosamine chondroitin formula.....just "corn". They answered me immediately........so to me that's a sign of a viable website.........it was a real person, not a form letter emailing............

justjim 07-25-2012 09:44 AM

As for me, I tend to be pretty skeptical of products making health claims that haven't had "valid" proven research and results. Unfortunately, many (especially seniors looking for the fountain of youth or "something") are not informed enough to make good decisions regarding a lot of these products offered over the INTERNET. It is very easy to spend lots of $$$$ for worthless products helping to fill the pockets of "scam" artists. For those who can determine the difference, more power to you. As for most of us, I say be careful out there!

Barefoot 07-25-2012 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 527968)
As for me, I tend to be pretty skeptical of products making health claims that haven't had "valid" proven research and results. Unfortunately, many (especially seniors looking for the fountain of youth or "something") are not informed enough to make good decisions regarding a lot of these products offered over the INTERNET. It is very easy to spend lots of $$$$ for worthless products helping to fill the pockets of "scam" artists. For those who can determine the difference, more power to you. As for most of us, I say be careful out there!

You're right Justjim, I'm also a skeptic. There are hundreds of products available in health food stores which promise miracles. I personally find that it's always great to get unbiased recommendations from people I know, or from a trusted website like TOTV. Then I know it's something I might like to try.

Speaking of products, many people swear by glucosamine, but I've never found it to be beneficial. Perhaps I'm not using the correct kind.

senior citizen 07-25-2012 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justjim (Post 527968)
As for me, I tend to be pretty skeptical of products making health claims that haven't had "valid" proven research and results. Unfortunately, many (especially seniors looking for the fountain of youth or "something") are not informed enough to make good decisions regarding a lot of these products offered over the INTERNET. It is very easy to spend lots of $$$$ for worthless products helping to fill the pockets of "scam" artists. For those who can determine the difference, more power to you. As for most of us, I say be careful out there!

In the winter time when one has painful joints, the infra red treatment seemed good.........obviously, the ones in the office of a physical therapist are much larger............but I'll bet a lot of those handheld devices were sold.........just like mine. The funny thing is now they are not advertising it for arthritic pain or to help blood circulation, but for "wrinkles" and facials. Same Nuvee. I agree, they make a lot of money on people , especially those in pain. An old fashioned heating pad would be just as good.

Barefoot 07-25-2012 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 527993)
In the winter time when one has painful joints, the infra red treatment seemed good.........obviously, the ones in the office of a physical therapist are much larger............but I'll bet a lot of those handheld devices were sold.........just like mine. The funny thing is now they are not advertising it for arthritic pain or to help blood circulation, but for "wrinkles" and facials. Same Nuvee.

Look on the positive side. You'll never have wrinkled knees. :icon_wink:

Villages PL 07-25-2012 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 527947)
I was surprised to learn these past few years HOW MANY young parents of newborns, toddlers, etc. totally agree with him on immunization for infants, etc.............meaning DO NOT immunize for fear of autism or what have you.

It's their choice to immunize or not immunize. Although, I wonder how much their decision is based on emotion (fear).

Quote:

I'm not talking backwoods uneducated folks, but highly educated, multiple degrees, well read, well spoken generation of young parents who are afraid of immunizing their babies..........whereas we just did what was expected in the 1960's and 1970's.......without doing any research into it one way or another.
Highly educated people can sometimes base their decisions on emotion too, especially when it involves their precious babies.

lightworker888 07-25-2012 11:38 AM

I have a few of the infrared lights and an LED too. From what I have learned, it really depends on the purpose as to which works best. For arthritic pain I have found that the infrared works for temporary relief but getting a handle on the inflammation is the key. I think that the adrenal support and MMS gel are helping my hands, which are stiff on occasion but not overly sore. I also believe that going more gluten and sugar free and doing Tai Chi has helped my whole constitution and all the "stiff" areas.

You might be interested in looking at Louise Hay's Heal your Body. It has been around for ages, and is still the best source for me about what the body is trying to tell me. You may know all about her already, but if not I thought you might resonate with her ideas. FWIW.

LW888


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