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senior citizen 12-05-2012 06:12 AM

The Seven Fishes Italian Christmas Eve Dinner
 
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angela1990 12-05-2012 07:36 AM

Yes, we still have the Seven Fish Dinner on Christmas Eve. Fortunately for me my son and his wife now carry on with this tradition. It has been modified a bit. We begin with shrimp cocktail, fried calamari, crab cake, baked clams and a fish salad that includes scungilli, shrimp, calamari and other fish as our appetizer. In the past I would make spaghetti with clam sauce as a second dish. My daughter in law now makes Bouillabaisse which includes mussels and a few other types of fish depending on what may be fresh at the market. We then proceed to have fried sole with vegetables. As you can see the Seven Fish dinner sometimes is more than seven but we have always taken that number as a minimum.
This is followed by assorted pastries and Juniors Cheesecake. Thank goodness Christmas comes only once a year.

jblum315 12-05-2012 07:44 AM

Wow, what a feast!!
What is the tradition behind the 7 Fishes? Is it a Bible thing?

graciegirl 12-05-2012 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jblum315 (Post 589723)
Wow, what a feast!!
What is the tradition behind the 7 Fishes? Is it a Bible thing?

No. It was a fast day, the day before Christmas and no meat was allowed. I know it is just the term..fast. When indeed it was a feast. A loophole maybe? ;)

senior citizen 12-05-2012 08:08 AM

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Bobbie416 12-05-2012 08:13 AM

I live in New Jersey where there is a large Italian community. The fish dinner on Christmas Eve seems to still be very popular around here. Many markets sell the special fish before Christmas so people must be buying it. Actually, I had not realized that people had stopped doing this. I guess it depends on how much tradition means to you.

senior citizen 12-05-2012 08:22 AM

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angela1990 12-05-2012 08:22 AM

We do not have the bacala anymore, but my grandmother would make it on Christmas Eve in a cold salad with celery and black olives, olive oil and vinegar (if I remember correctly). I have not had that in over 40 years. She also made quite a few fried fish dishes. I think the type of fish served depended on what part of Italy they came from and what they could afford. As a child I do not remember lobster or filet of sole or any of the other more expensive fish.

Yankee Quilter 12-05-2012 08:27 AM

Growing up, we never had enough money for seven fishes but it was always meatless! Joe's Gramma always made fried smelts as the main fish. Boney little things.
Now, while we are still here in Kennesaw, we go to a great Italian restaurant that does the feast. Fried, salted cod, stuffed squid, seafood salad, baby clams, spaghetti with olive oil and garlic, shrimp and swordfish! I framed them menu!
Got to love tradition!

2BNTV 12-05-2012 08:30 AM

Chrismas eve at my favorite aunt's and uncle's house with the all fish, (no meat allowed), dinner. Shrimp coctail, baked clams, calamari and other fishes.
Spaghetti with clam sauce was a favorite.

Antipasto, shrimp coctail, dinner, fennel and roasted chestnuts folowed by several type of desserts. Unfortunately, none of the younger family members would continue that tradition. Those were the days. :smiley:

One dish I really loved was menest. Escarole with anchovies and black olives. It used to melt in one mouth. :icon_hungry:

senior citizen 12-05-2012 08:33 AM

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senior citizen 12-05-2012 08:37 AM

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senior citizen 12-05-2012 08:54 AM

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senior citizen 12-05-2012 08:58 AM

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senior citizen 12-05-2012 09:12 AM

Italian Recipe Index - Italiansrus.com


Here are some recipes.....keep scrolling down the list of hyperlinks....

2BNTV 12-05-2012 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 589777)
I remember the FENNEL. Ditto for the roasted chestnuts. Even at our house in New Jersey, my dad always roasted chestnuts for a snack.
He never ate chips or things like people do today. He'd eat an orange or a pear.......chestnuts, simple things.

I loved escarole and beans (white cannelini beans). Never had it with the anchovies and black olives but sounds good. Was it in a vinagrette? Like red wine vineger and olive oil?

My dad used to grind up the meat for his own Italian sausage....and my mom would help him fill the casings. I guess he didn't like what was offered in New Jersey after growing up in New York City.

At least he knew what he was putting into it.

It was no white beans but made like a soup dish. I am not a cook so I leave it to the gourmet people to decide. :smiley:

senior citizen 12-05-2012 09:16 AM

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2BNTV 12-05-2012 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 589796)
Is this the menest you are talking about????

Minestra - Recipes - Italiansrus.com


Minestra recipe

I tried to look on Google but to no avail. The one iI found included the white cannelli beans by Rachel Ray. The one you found has meat it in. A no no, for xmas eve dinner.

Minestra Recipe : Rachael Ray : Recipes : Food Network

Unfortunately, my aunt died last week and she was the last member of my mothers immediate family. Unfortunately, I can't elaborate on what the recipe is. :(

Cynbod 12-05-2012 09:25 AM

I will be hosting the feast down here in TV for the first time. In Brooklyn it was very easy to find all the fish, down here it is proving to be a problem. I carried the scungili in my suitcase when I came down. I wonder if I will be able to find the St. Vincent (I think that is what they are called) bread. It really is quite a feast.

Taltarzac725 12-05-2012 09:30 AM

This has other links.
 
Feast of the Seven Fishes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://italianfood.about.com/b/2006/...ven-fishes.htm

This has recipes for Italian fish dishes-- http://www.sevenfishesblog.com/

senior citizen 12-05-2012 09:32 AM

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njbchbum 12-05-2012 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by angela1990 (Post 589749)
We do not have the bacala anymore, but my grandmother would make it on Christmas Eve in a cold salad with celery and black olives, olive oil and vinegar (if I remember correctly). I have not had that in over 40 years. She also made quite a few fried fish dishes. I think the type of fish served depended on what part of Italy they came from and what they could afford. As a child I do not remember lobster or filet of sole or any of the other more expensive fish.

that's the bacala salad my husband grew up with! but the bacala had to be brought back from the dried stage by soaking it in water and/or milk for almost a week before the salad was prepared!!!! tried to perfect the technique for years - then found the italian grocer who made it closer to mama's version than i could! thank heaven for that!

senior citizen 12-05-2012 09:35 AM

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2BNTV 12-05-2012 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 589816)
I'm sure it was good. You can still learn to cook. I sent you a list of recipes. Just keep scrolling down on all the hyperlinks till you find one that sounds familiar to you.

Now, here's a different hyperlink and since I KNOW YOU HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR, you will not be offended.....again, keep scrolling down on this one.

http://www.jmwebdesigners.com/italians/


This is cute. Second generation Italian Americans will “get it”.


Keep scrolling all the way down to the “sugared almonds” at bottom. All of my aunts had sugared almonds at their weddings.



Keep scrolling to the bottom, using the right hand downward arrow on your computer screen.

Loved it. :1rotfl: Brought back good memories and so true!!!!!!!

1. Custom was wearing black for a year after husband’s death. No exceptions!
2. Grandmother didn’t speak fluent English and said "sangwich."
3. “Prince” is not spaghetti.
4. Nylons worn at ankles. LOL So true.
5. Wine sold at stores. LOL My father made his own and gave to family members.
6. A sin to eat meat on Friday’s.
7. Salad after dinner - My uncle did!!!!!
8. A friend of mine was beaten on the head with a broom after coming home drunk and being sick. He was in hs late twenties. LOL
9. Everyone did make their tomato sauce, didn’t they. LOL
10. What is macaroni without bread to dip in gravy. LOL
11. Uncles fought in a World War. One uncle fought the battle of the Islands, Coney Staten, Long. LOL.
12. Six male relatives named Joe. My family qualifies.
13. You relate on some level, admit it, to the Godfather and the Sopranos. I maka a meata ball you can't refuse! ...forrgetttabbboutit! badda bing! I admit it. Some people still have Godfather parties in the northeast. I have seen it so many times I can recite dialog. It is part of normal dialog for some people in the northeast.
14. Kids reached the height of my favorite aunt who was 4’ 11” but not my grandmother who was 6’ 1”. She was a big woman.


Thanks for posting this.

senior citizen 12-05-2012 11:36 PM

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senior citizen 12-06-2012 06:17 AM

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2BNTV 12-06-2012 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 590175)
For any of us Italian Americans wondering what Christmas might be like back in Italy, here is a charming article. I do remember my Ukrainian mom making STRUFOLI honey balls for my Italian dad........

Christmas in Italy
Italians might not go all out with the decorations, but the holiday spirit is alive and well in the Motherland
Our Paesani

by Francesca Di Meglio
I cried for days the first time I went to Italy for Christmas. I was 11, and we had to convince my little sister Rosaria that Santa Claus would be able to find us in Ischia, a small island off the coast of Naples. There were no lights on the houses, and we were the only ones on the block with a Christmas tree. It all seemed so tragic.

My cousins in Ischia wanted so badly to give us a traditional American Christmas that they found a professional chef to cook us a full turkey with all the fixings on Christmas Day. Do you know how hard it is to find a whole turkey on an island in Italy? It's like finding pigs that fly or a cold day in hell. But they did it - and I still wasn't happy. I missed my Christmas in New Jersey with the glitz, the glam, the gifts. But years later I would return to Ischia for the holiday season only to realize that even if Italian Christmas isn't nearly as shiny as its American counterpart, it is humble, subdued, spiritual and downright uplifting.

You probably already understood that the Italian feste or holidays do not have as much bling as we Americans have come to expect. Few houses put out lawn displays or light shows. And not everyone has a Christmas tree. Instead, Catholic families construct a nativity scene or presepio. Some of these presepio are fairly elaborate and depict not only baby Jesus' manger but entire towns filled with statues, houses and sometimes even plant life. My father, a landscaper, builds one annually that takes up an entire room in our house and features music, lights, real trees and flowers, and a waterfall. Many Italians, especially in the South, do the same. They're like giant, interactive pieces of art. During the holidays, many people go from town to town and house to house to see the various nativity scenes. You might also stumble upon a live nativity scene - with real people - in one of the country's many piazza.

On every street corner, you'll likely hear “Tu Scendi Dalle Stelle”. It's THE classic Italian carol. That will put you in the mood for a celebration, where food is the centerpiece. And Christmas Eve is the tastiest day of the year - at least for me and anyone who is a lover of fish.

Italians fast or eat only a very small portion of fish at lunch and feast in the evening. But meat is not served on the Vigilia or Eve. Many southern Italians serve seven fish dishes that symbolize either the seven sacraments of the Catholic Church or the seven days of creation, depending on who you are talking to. Some of the fish you're likely to find on the table are baccalà, eel, clams and other shellfish, shrimp, calamari, scungilli (conch), and octopus. Fried calamari, octopus bathed in lemon, oil and parsley, and linguini with clam sauce are my Christmas Eve favorites.

In Italy, you are likely to eat pastries that are typical of the region for dessert. My people in the Neapolitan zone will serve strufoli or honey balls covered in rainbow sprinkles. They make for a nice centerpiece on the table, too! All sorts of other desserts - from an assortment of biscotti to panetone or sweet breads also make appearances and are a nice compliment to the evergreen espresso and sambuca.

After you've stuffed yourself like an American turkey at Thanksgiving, you must wait for the clock to strike midnight, when you'll either go to the nearby church for Mass or watch the pope on TV. While waiting, little children often recite poems they learned in school as gifts for their parents and other relatives. And the adults then play tombola or bingo. Tombola Napoletana is the most popular - at least among my family and friends. It's just like bingo but every number has a corresponding image, which can be naughty or nice. Thirteen, for instance, corresponds to Sant' Antonio while 28 corresponds to a private part of the woman's anatomy. You'll get a kick out of playing this kind of bingo with your nonni. And afterward, you'll head to midnight Mass. How's that for irony?

In recent years, Santa Claus or Babbo Natale has been visiting the homes of good Italian boys and girls, too. But January 6, or the epiphany, is the real day for giving gifts to children in Italy, who wait for the arrival of goodies from La Befana or the Christmas Witch. Christmas Day is characterized by more eating and perhaps another Mass. Overall, the holidays in Italy are more religious and spiritual. No one is allowed to forget the real reason we are all celebrating: the arrival of our savior Jesus Christ. Amen!

Very nice post. Thanks for posting. :smiley:

Cynbod 12-06-2012 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 589810)
God Bless You. In your suitcase?

Yup, in my suitcase. I usually on do carry on but because of the scungili I did a small checked bag. Mine was the first bag to come out and I checkied for the cans immediately, it is costly and seems to go up each year. I remember my mother-in-law getting it at the fish market and cleaning it herself. I have always just used the canned. Happy Holiday!!

Yankee Quilter 12-06-2012 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 2BNTV (Post 589873)
Loved it. :1rotfl: Brought back good memories and so true!!!!!!!

1. Custom was wearing black for a year after husband’s death. No exceptions!
2. Grandmother didn’t speak fluent English and said "sangwich."
3. “Prince” is not spaghetti.
4. Nylons worn at ankles. LOL So true.
5. Wine sold at stores. LOL My father made his own and gave to family members.
6. A sin to eat meat on Friday’s.
7. Salad after dinner - My uncle did!!!!!
8. A friend of mine was beaten on the head with a broom after coming home drunk and being sick. He was in hs late twenties. LOL
9. Everyone did make their tomato sauce, didn’t they. LOL
10. What is macaroni without bread to dip in gravy. LOL
11. Uncles fought in a World War. One uncle fought the battle of the Islands, Coney Staten, Long. LOL.
12. Six male relatives named Joe. My family qualifies.
13. You relate on some level, admit it, to the Godfather and the Sopranos. I maka a meata ball you can't refuse! ...forrgetttabbboutit! badda bing! I admit it. Some people still have Godfather parties in the northeast. I have seen it so many times I can recite dialog. It is part of normal dialog for some people in the northeast.
14. Kids reached the height of my favorite aunt who was 4’ 11” but not my grandmother who was 6’ 1”. She was a big woman.


Thanks for posting this.


I grew up, take no offense, Guinnie Ghetto in Hartford, the South End. We learned to say Bless me Father in Italian, so we could fit in in the confessional! We ate fresh baked Italian bread from the bakeries on the way home school, or lemon ice... I love all your posts, brings back so many wonderful memories! Are any of you part of any of the Italian Clubs? We sure will be looking to join when we move in the spring! (By the way, my mom was 4'8"' ... And Aunt Dora was about 240 lbs! .... Could go on and on.....) how lucky we are to have the memories.....

BritParrothead 12-06-2012 12:02 PM

This is where we were at lunchtime today!! :icon_hungry:
I had never heard of this 'feast' before!!

Seven Fish ? bar ringwood, bar midhurst, restaurant Ringwood, restaurant Midhurst, Seafood, GU29, BH24, drinks, cocktails

applesoffh 12-06-2012 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 589810)
God Bless You. In your suitcase?

If you find the scungili, please post where. My neighbor is looking high and low for it. Thanks!

senior citizen 12-06-2012 02:02 PM

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SanFranDianne 12-06-2012 02:06 PM

7 Fish Dinner
 
We are living in Rome across the street from a lovely neighborhood restaurant ("hostaria") run by Mario. If I can speak enough Italian, we'll ask if he is having a 7-Fish Dinner -- and we'll take photos of the feast.

senior citizen 12-06-2012 02:06 PM

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2BNTV 12-06-2012 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 590402)
We should all compare notes about which "Villages" you are all settling in and make a new "Little Italy".......at least we'd understand each other.........

Italians, by nature, are jolly and generous folks who welcome all into their hearts and homes.

:agree:

rubicon 12-06-2012 03:25 PM

We still celebrate Vigilia di magro (abstinence from meat) here, and had over the years to meet the seven fish tradition served baccala several ways, anchovies usually in salads, shrimp dishes, clams mussels and sea scallops in a variety of ways, calamari ( stuffed or sautee) capitone alla (eel) but only once to please my father, smelt, haddock, cod oglio e olio, pasta primevera, cheese raivoli, gnocchi and my wife would kick in her perogi (one of my mothers favorites) various desserts and cookies .

Buon Natali!

P.S. Perhaps someone can extend our repertorie for this year's celebration?

Shirleevee 02-12-2013 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by applesoffh (Post 590391)
If you find the scungili, please post where. My neighbor is looking high and low for it. Thanks!

I bring it from NY/NJ/Pa........when we visit the grandchildren...if you happen to find it here it is way overpriced. In dire need try Amazon.com

Portia 02-12-2013 11:54 AM

whatever your custom ..it is surely a blessing to have those memories..and they can be passed down from generation to generation.. the 7 fishes are all different because it was where your grand parents resided in what provine of Italy and how rich or poor they were.. mine were naples and brut.. I grew up in Town Plot which was the Italian section in Waterbury Connecticut.. any one from Waterbury??/


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