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JGVillages 07-21-2025 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2447564)
Please clarify.

The officials did call the infraction. But, without a video, the officials would never see an infraction.

When you say players should call an infraction, are you just referring to the player who hits the shot, other players in the group, or players who are not in the group?

Are you saying that, if the camera clearly shows an infraction, it should be completely ignored? I don't think that approach would go over well with the spectators and television viewers.

So you’re wanting to “unoprotect the field to keep spectators happy. In the NFL if every “non call” that was caught on camera had to be reviewed to satisfy the spectators you’d play the first half one day and the second half the next day.

BrianL99 07-21-2025 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Traveller (Post 2447582)
I was under the impression that a camera view was no longer admissible evidence. I also thought that either the player, his caddy, opponent, opponent's caddy or an on the course rules official had to witness the infraction, otherwise no penalty. Maybe the R & A has a different rule.

See rule attached

retiredguy123 07-21-2025 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JGVillages (Post 2447584)
So you’re wanting to “unoprotect the field to keep spectators happy. In the NFL if every “non call” that was caught on camera had to be reviewed to satisfy the spectators you’d play the first half one day and the second half the next day.

Apple and oranges. In golf, players are responsible for enforcing the rules and assessing a penalty on themselves. In football, the players are not responsible for enforcing any rules. The officials are charged with watching the game and enforcing the rules.

retiredguy123 07-21-2025 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Traveller (Post 2447582)
I was under the impression that a camera view was no longer admissible evidence. I also thought that either the player, his caddy, opponent, opponent's caddy or an on the course rules official had to witness the infraction, otherwise no penalty. Maybe the R & A has a different rule.

Then why was there a penalty? Apparently, the video is the only evidence.

Old Traveller 07-22-2025 11:14 AM

Shane Lowry agreed to assess himself the penalty so as not to ever be called a cheat. I'll bet in his heart he knows he didn't do anything wrong.

retiredguy123 07-22-2025 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Traveller (Post 2447848)
Shane Lowry agreed to assess himself the penalty so as not to ever be called a cheat. I'll bet in his heart he knows he didn't do anything wrong.

Really? If the video is not admissible evidence, then why was it shown to the officials?

The new rule limits the use of a video, but they do not prohibit it:

"New Decision 34-3/10 implements two standards for Rules committees to limit the use of video: 1) when video reveals evidence that could not reasonably be seen with the “naked eye,” and 2) when players use their “reasonable judgment” to determine a specific location when applying the Rules."

I think the the first exception would apply to this situation because the player could not see the ball when taking a practice swing. My opinion.


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