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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy
(Post 2302935)
does no such thing, which is what everyone is missing. Not one player who has cheated or made an honest mistake has won a tournament, because the scorer checked the player's score against the official correct score for errors.
How does the stroke play scores get on the scoreboard for everyone to see?
from the scorer just like in match play.
When John Cook got assessed a penalty, regardless of the change since, Cookie didn't agree, but he had to go by what the official scorer told him his stroke count is. Again, not what the player would sign for as he didn't believe he hit the ball twice.
The point is, the official stroke count is kept by the scorer, and all the pga has to do is copy down what the official scorer has given them, which is what they check the score card against anyway, and have the PGA player sign the scorer's card which is electronically prepopulated from the scorer, so why the player paperwork when the official scorer has the final say and score?
because you all are arguing from a non bifurcated tradition point of view, and its time to get to the bifurcated sport, and just accept that PGA players play a different game for millions of $ than amateurs, who don't have electronic scorers, and have to rely on honesty. .
Everyone here is just parroting the traditional answers and the current process, without questioning whether performing the current process itself actually achieves the end goal.
The paperwork is totally unnecessary for the PGA tournaments with electronic score keeping and scorers. Even Marr on PGA radio made the same comment . . .
I guess none of you ever did much change management and transformation work from manual to digital, as this process would be one of the first in the corporate world. . .
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Your post is incorrect on so many levels. Not really being a golfer and merely watching a tournament on TV, it's easy to confuse how things actually work.
There is no "official scorer" following groups around.
There is no "official scorer" telling you if you got a penalty.
The one and only "official scorer" on the PGA Tour, is the fellow competitor who has your scorecard and tasked with keeping your score. (If playing alone, it's the "Marker"). [In the Ryder Cup or Match Play Format you mentioned, there is no "marker", nor is there a fellow competitor. There are only opponents and/or partners]
If the "Marker" and the player disagree on individual hole scores, The Committee makes the decision. There is no one else to ask, although The Committee might seek anecdotal information from someone who might have information.
People who provide scoring information to "tournament central", TV or otherwise, are in most cases, volunteers. The people carrying the standards that reflect the groups scores, are volunteers. They are not "officials" in any sense of the world. If you ever attended a PGA Tour (or any tour) event early in the morning of the last day, some players go out alone, with only a Marker and no else in their "group". (Jeff Knox being the most famous in history.)
The ONLY entity who can impose a penalty or decide if a penalty is warranted, is the PGA Tour Rules Committee, (or in the case of a Major, "The Committee"). On course, PGA Rules Officials offer guidance, the Committee (who is essentially Gary Young, former Head Professional at Pleasant Valley CC, near Worcester, MA) is the ruling body.
