I understand what you are saying and I agree. I also think that how people FEEL about Tiger Woods may have a lot to do with gender. My husband is more willing to give him another chance. I just have never liked his "ups and downs" and angry faces and bad language. That isn't the golf I know or like from amateurs OR professionals. Golfers have always been to me, a cut above other athletes in their behavior. Golfers to me are supposed to act like ladies and gentlemen.

I know this; What the camera focuses on has a lot to do with the producers of the piece and WHAT THEY THINK INTERESTS PEOPLE. Sometimes it does, and sometimes it doesn't.

As long as he doesn't drop his club after a hit or use bad language, nice to see him back.

You're absolutely correct in that the media is only showing what people want to see. Tiger generates more interest in a golf tournament than all of the other players combined. He generates more interest than any player since Arnold Palmer.

You'll see angry faces from all of the players and bad language from many of them. They are usually fined for using bad language. The reason that it seems that Tiger uses bad language more than other players is that he is on your television screen a lot more than other players. As the OP points out, it could be as much as one half of the coverage is dedicated to Tiger. I guarantee that if most of the other players were on the screen as much as Tiger, you'd see and hear the same things.

Then again, as I tried to convey earlier, we should balance the negatives with the positives. Tiger has done more for golf than any other golfer except for possibly Arnold Palmer. He has generated interest in golf from minorities and young people. This is good for both of those groups.

He also does a huge amount of charity work and has established charities that that help hundreds of thousands of needy people. This to me, outweighs his occasional swear word.

Not only has he increased interest in golf exponentially, but he also uses his fame to help others.

PGA TOUR Charities: Tiger Woods

More young people and minorities have gotten into golf directly because of Tiger. He is not, and never will be, just another golfer. That's like saying that Arnold Palmer or Jack Nicklaus was just another golfer once their skills diminished.

And he'snot to that point yet. He is in the midst of a comeback and has come very close to winning the last two events that he's entered. I believe that he'll win again and if I'm not mistaken he is one of the favorites in the upcoming Masters.

We can tell you really like Tiger Woods, Jim. He wouldn't be my pick for a dinner guest. (He probably already knows I put Velveeta in my cheese sauce and would turn me down, anyway.) sigh.

Not sure about the gender thing, we play with a number of couples and the women are as excited as their husbands to see him back. They watch for the strategies, the creative shots he can make and the excitement he brings to the game. Sometimes it's about the golf and not the person. As long as the majority want to watch him the networks will show him and the gate revenue will rise where ever he plays. When he stops becoming a draw, coverage will change and gate revenue will drop, exactly what happened the last time he left the game to get healthy. Right now he is good for the game and for those that really study golf, and appreciate skills, they will continue to follow.

All of which can be said by watching the new crop of young champions that perform week after week....

Me I prefer to watch the Fowler, Speith, McCrory, Day, Mickelson to name a few that need no justification other than how they play golf.....as proven by how they play golf. They all in one way or another present the persona of the Palmer/Nicholas generation of champions.

Woods, in my opinion, does not have that persona.

To each his own in each minds eye!!!

Well put.

I am so tired of listening to the bias comments by the announcers. " oh my God what a wonderful shot, only tiger could have made that shot".etc. etc. A few years ago while watching one of the tournaments on television I listen to the announcer berate one of the players for slamming his Club on the ground after a bad shot and say how immature can one be. Well a little while later the tiger had a lousy shot, and slams his Club into the ground, the announcer proceeded to say, " wow look how intense tiger is when he us playing."

It's not a question of liking him Gracie. It's that I appreciate what he has done for golf and what he has done with his various charities. It's about accepting him as a flawed human being.

I feel that he's done more good than bad in the world. He made a big mistake, yes, but he has paid the price. Does that outweigh all fo the good he has done? He's has brought more people as players and fans to the game. When he plays, interest in the tournament increases tremendously. My former mother-in-law who knew nothing about golf and never had any interest in golf would tune in every Sunday to watch what she called "The Tiger Show". Thousands of young kids and minorities began playing golf because of Tiger. Golf instilled in them values that they might not have had otherwise. Some have been saved from a life of crime because of golf. Before Tiger, it was not cool for kids and especially minority kids to play golf. Tiger made golf cool.

He has lived the past 25 years in a goldfish bowl. We don't know half about other players as we know about Tiger. Every move he makes is examined and criticized. We don't know what most of the other players are doing 24/7.

I've never met him, but I know people that know him and they all seem to like him. Players that I've spoken with say that he is very polite and goes out of his way to make them comfortable when they are paired with him. Players that have been on teams with him have nothing but good things to say about him. I've never heard anyone that knows him say anything negative about him.

I also know that he has an incredible work ethic and desire to be the best that ever played the game. It would be easy for someone who has had the kind of success that he's had to sit back and relax and rake in the bucks by speaking and doing clinics. Instead, he is at the gym at 5:00 every morning and working his tail off at the practice range every day.

I've met a lot of professional athletes and especially a lot of PGA Tour players in my life. And I can say that the perception that most people get by seeing them briefly on television is usually very different than the reality. Some that come across as great people are not and some that seem to be arrogant and unlikable are just the opposite.

People hate Tiger for many reasons. I try not to like or dislike any athlete until I get to know them. People hate that the media is all gaga over Tiger. The media is just giving us what we want. There are a lot more people that are interested in Tiger's golf than people who turn off the television because they are talking about him too much. TV ratings go up when Tiger is playing in a tournament. They go through the roof when he is in contention. How else should the media act? They simply put on what most people want to see.

All I'm saying is that we shouldn't judge Tiger by one or two acts or how by the media treats him.

And as far a diiner guest and turning up his nose at Velveeta? He served hamburgers and fries at the champions dinner after his first Masters win. That ruffled the feathers of some of the older champions. From what I understand, Tiger is really a pretty down to earth guy.

Last night the ratings for Bay Hill were announced. They increased over 100% from last year (final round 136% and the gate increased by over 5,000 folks. Spieth, Phil, Day, Fowler, Bubba weren't in the mix. Like it or not, Tiger draws and the young pro's of today are happy he does. The media covers him because most of those tuning in want to watch him. If he fades, then you will get the coverage you want, but until he does we will get the coverage we want.

He actually has faded but the media keeps playing his return as a resurrection and that is what the crowd is buying into.

In my humble attempt at being humorous!

[QUOTE=Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Thousands of young kids and minorities began playing golf because of Tiger. Golf instilled in them values that they might not have had otherwise. Some have been saved from a life of crime because of golf. Before Tiger, it was not cool for kids and especially minority kids to play golf. Tiger made golf cool

Some that come across as great people are not and some that seem to be arrogant and unlikable are just the opposite

Sure like to know where you get all this information or is this just opinion

12th at the Honda Classic, 2nd at the Valspar Championship, 5th at the Arnold Palmer Invitational in his last three comeback tournaments. Hardly a fading star.

Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk

The issues most people have with Tiger have little to do with his past or present golf skills.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Seems that some people here are critical of Tiger cuz he cheated on his wife, swears, throws clubs etc.

I am sure they have led perfect lives.

PS Jack and Arnie were not perfect either, their fame was in a much different era of less media scrutiny.

Heh heh. Knew that was coming.

You're absolutely right. Nobody is perfect. But some are considerably less perfect than others.

Besides, some people here are simply saying they don't particularly like Tiger. Big whoop. They don't have to be perfect to say that. Do you like every person on the planet? I seriously doubt it. And yet I will venture a guess that you aren't perfect either. How do you reconcile those two facts?

Interesting. First of all "most people" is highly subjective as are the issues. Some projection there.



Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk

My post is clearly referring to most of that group of people who do have issues with Tiger. Some inference there...

Across the country private clubs are closing for lack of membership and public golf courses are struggling with fewer golfers and rounds of golf played. The USGA is very concerned about the state of amateur golf in the United States. Fewer youngsters are learning how to play and young business men and women have found golf to be too time consuming and in many cases too expensive. On the other hand, the PGA tour, with stars such as Tiger Woods, is doing quite well as noted by large crowds, tv ratings and corporate sponsors. Life is good.

ToYep.....people like Fuzzy.

I agree. He is an amazing talent. To have taken off so much time from professional golf due to injuries, and actually be back in the hunt after just a few tournaments is nothing short of miraculous. I see people boycotting him because of his personal life, yet I'd be willing to bet they give another person, who shall not be named, a break when it comes to carousing with women, and generally being a poor role model . I don't watch Tiger because I think he's a choir boy. I watch him because he is such a tremendous athlete. Although, for the record, he supports numerous charity causes such as the Tiger Woods Foundation, Tiger Woods Learning Center, Shriners, Caddy for a Cure, etc. If I recall he was number one in the world for over 500 weeks. You won't see that happening again for awhile.

I watch him because he is such a tremendous athlete

NOT. Soccer players are tremendous athlete's, MMA fighters are Tremendous athlete's. Golf is the only outdoor pro sport I know that Fat Slobs can compete. O I forgot about Pro Corn hole and Pro billiards.

Tiger had it all, He blew it. he hurt his back chopping hey it the weeds when his drive let the property. Instead of playing smart and just knocking ball in fairway he thought he was Tremendous Athlete. I watched tiger and he will hurt his back again swinging too hard. What waste of talent. His dad would probably be disappointed.

Clueless comment, todays pro golfers are truly tremendous athletes and practice fitness routines similar to other world class athletes.

Not many fat slobs on tour these days, John Daly on senior tour and "Beef" on regular tour. Guess what? They make more in a weekend than you did in the best year of your life.

Daly shot a 3-under 69 to finish at 14-under 202 and earned $322,500.

Beef won Spanish open 2016 earned $450,000

And about your comment "What a waste of talent"

Woods has won 79 official PGA Tour events, second only to Sam Snead, and six ahead of Jack Nicklaus with 73 wins. (See List of golfers with most PGA Tour wins.)
Woods has won 14 majors, second all time, behind Jack Nicklaus.
Woods is 14–1 when going into the final round of a major with at least a share of the lead.
Woods scoring average in 2000 is the lowest in PGA Tour history, both adjusted, 67.79, and unadjusted, 68.17.[1]
Woods has the lowest career scoring average in PGA Tour history.
Woods has amassed the most career earnings of any player in PGA Tour history (even after inflation is considered).
Woods is one of five players (along with Gene Sarazen, Ben Hogan, Gary Player, and Jack Nicklaus) to have won all four professional major championships in his career, known as the Career Grand Slam, and was the youngest to do so.[2]
Woods is the only player to have won all four professional major championships in a row, accomplishing the feat in the 2000–2001 seasons. This feat became known as the "Tiger Slam".
Woods set the all-time PGA Tour record for most consecutive cuts made, with 142. The streak started in 1998, he set the record at the 2003 Tour Championship with 114 (passing Byron Nelson's previous record of 113 and Jack Nicklaus at 105) and extended this mark to 142 before it ended on May 13, 2005 at the EDS Byron Nelson Championship. Many consider this to be one of the most remarkable golf accomplishments of all time, given the margin by which he broke the old record and given that during the streak, the next longest streak by any other player was usually only in the 10s or 20s.[3][4][5][6] It should be noted that when Byron Nelson played far fewer players made the cut in a given event.[citation needed]
Woods has won a record 25.2% (79 out of 313) of his professional starts on the PGA Tour. Think about that!
Woods is the only golfer to have won the U.S. Amateur three consecutive times (1994–96).

Yeah, what a waste....:popcorn:

Here's Tiger's home, what's yours look like?

Attachment 74543

I don't think anybody is denying the man's past achievements.

The issue is the inordinate coverage he gets based on his past and an ever hopeful current "resurrection" at the expense of covering those that are in fact CURRENTLY playing better than he is.

Simple as that!!

Yep. Think what all those numbers you quoted COULD have been.
Yep again.

If you read carefully you will see I was replying to a post that said "what a waste of talent" Nothing about coverage.

Exactly how I read it.
Mine was a jump shift back to coverage and the media obsessing on such past achievements VS the his actual status of current play.

It is what it is and only time will bring the media mania back to the reality of the present......where he will or won't be playing better than today's best!! And back to fair coverage of current standings.

So they made lots of money and wasted lot more with they're bad habits. I garrentee you I managed it lot better than your two examples.

But, he hasn't pass jack in majors and probably never will. He could of it he hadn't hooked up with the basketball players which lead him astray. This NEVER would of happen if his dad hadn't died. Tiger could of be the very best ever, but like mike Tyson he got too much money and distracted, at least Tyson had an excuse, he can from nowhere, no education or solid upper middle class life. Tiger didn't, his dad was army officer and only experienced the rich snobs that controlled county clubs.

After his wife found out he was popping whores and almost planted the 9 iron in his thick head. He couldn't hit fairway, hurt his back getting out of the hay fields. Tiger imploded himself. I agree, there are many great golfers that are in shape and there are lots that's not, which you don't see it other sports that you have to move.

You compare him to the old golfers, didn't they play 36 hole day and the clubs and balls was subpar compaired to today technology?

Golf has always be game for rich snobs and has bad history when it comes to common people. Today golf about money. Tiger is money maker.

I would rather look at his little gold digger wife's accomplishments. At least she's got good management skills.

Here's Tiger's ex-wife's house. On the market for $49.5 million. Check out the layout, very calming. Ease back and enjoy.

Tiger Woods' Ex, Elin Nordegren, Selling $49.5M Florida Mansion | realtor.com(R)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d44c25c9ac.jpg

Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk

Good for her

I like it. The little gold digger new exactly what she was going to end up with and it wasn't tiger.

Again fat slobs can compete. There lots more if you can look at the field.

There are a few guys that appear to be out of shape, but it's that it's just their natural bodies. And there are not a lot of them. Take a look at the top fifty on the tour and you'll see that they are in great physical condition. You almost have to be today to compete at that level.

I often wonder how a guy like Tim Herron has played all these years, walking up and down those hills and hasn't lost a lot of weight. He hasn't won a whole lot, but he's made a living on The PGA Tour which can't be said about a whole lot of people in history. I worked on the practice tee at the Boston tournament a few years back and as I was walking back to my car, I saw Time Herron going into the fitness trailer. He may be a big guy but he keeps himself in pretty good shape for the shape that he is.

And if you don't think that golf is physically taxing, go to an event and follow a group for eighteen holes. You might be surprised at how taxing the walk is. Then consider that these guys are up hours before their tee time stretching. Then they hit balls, chip and putt for about an hour or more before their round. Then after the round, they might hit 500-1,000 balls before they go for their workout.

Even though a few (and it really is only a very few) players, like Herron, Beef, Jason Dufner look like they are not ripped athletes, they are in good shape. They have strength and tremendous flexibility. The rest of them are ripped athletes. You cannot play golf at that level if you are a fat, out of shape slob.

I wonder what the viewership was this weekend. Bubba attacks a lot of viewers and Justin Thomas had a chance to get to #1 in the world, but I don't think a lot of people watched because of that.

Rory and DJ exited early so a lot of viewers were lost because of that.

But this is exactly why the networks treat Tiger like they do. If Tiger had been playing and especially if he reached the finals, viewership would have doubled.

A Rory Tiger final might have broken all records.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1526450) There are a few guys that appear to be out of shape, but it's that it's just their natural bodies.

I resemble that remark

I never heard of Bubba attracting anyone. I watched and enjoyed that no one was gushing over tiger

The announcers on yesterdays PGA tournament must be paid by Woods.
The would too frequently comment about a given hole and how "Tiger" played it in 2006!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Puh-leeze......give us a break!