[Chi-Town]

I really liked Hacienda Hills CC. It had the feel of a resort country club the way the property was laid out with the restaurant, pool, tiki bar, and tennis courts and golf course nearby.

[skip0358]

When the two very successful owners of several Restaurants in TV haven't jumped at the chance to purchase I'm sure there's a very good reason. Number one probably being the cost to refurbish the place. It needed a lot before it closed now plenty more and the fact that Water & Lemons don't pay the bills.

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Someone told me that if any new owner charged $5 for a water and lemon, the restaurant would probably make a profit!

Well, I for one never drink anything but ice water at ANY restaurant I go to, not because I'm cheap, it's because I cannot drink alcohol (I never drink soda or ice tea) with my list of 7 medications a day. If they offered an alternative to tap water I would order a bottle of a nice Pellegrino or Perrier but 99% of restaurants don't offer these selections. I would think that most folks are in similar medication situations.

[jebartle]

Is a casino an option?????

[NotFromAroundHere]

Originally Posted by collie1228

There is a lot of truth to this. I have often been in restaurants with several other people, and the majority ordered water with lemon. And we wonder why the restaurant business struggles in many markets?

Am I supposed to order something I don't want just so the owner can make more money?

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Chatbrat

Again,nothing in TV 's is ours with the exception of your own home and if its not paid in full you have a partner--

You mean the three foot around you’re home?

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by NotFromAroundHere

Am I supposed to order something I don't want just so the owner can make more money?

Absolutely not, but don't be surprised when if they disappear. Look what not ordering more than water and soda did to Katie Bells

Originally Posted by JoMar

Absolutely not, but don't be surprised when if they disappear. Look what not ordering more than water and soda did to Katie Bells

I recall visiting friends here in TV (was asked to meet them at Katie Bells) a few years before I purchased a home here in 2012. They were involved in a line dance group and when I sat down waiting for them I noticed a table tent which read "there is a 2 drink minimum" during the daytime! I told the server I wanted to order lunch she said she would have to charge me for 2 beverages also! I ended up leaving there without purchasing lunch and the 2 drink minimum. I bought a home here in March of 2012, I never went back there while it was open because of that.

[Mleeja]

I have heard from a reliable source that the building’s roof is in such bad shape it needs to be completely replaced. This along with the cost of other renovations required is making it a non-starter. The building is coming down and replaced.

The building belongs to the developer, so they do not have to keep us informed. The best we can do is speculate on TOTV!

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by Michael Charles

I recall visiting friends here in TV (was asked to meet them at Katie Bells) a few years before I purchased a home here in 2012. They were involved in a line dance group and when I sat down waiting for them I noticed a table tent which read "there is a 2 drink minimum" during the daytime! I told the server I wanted to order lunch she said she would have to charge me for 2 beverages also! I ended up leaving there without purchasing lunch and the 2 drink minimum. I bought a home here in March of 2012, I never went back there while it was open because of that.

We first visited KBs in 07, place was packed, people ordered drinks, food and listened to entertainment. The reason, that’s one of the restaurants the developer used for free dinner on lifestyle. As those perks went away, so did KBs. By 2010, the food became ok, but every table was full, to watch entertainment and sip on water. 2011 was the last time we went. Prices went up food so so. And still the mass of people not eating, having water with lemon, sitting at the table all night. Great for those who wouldn’t spend money, bad for business plan. When the 2 drink min went into effect, empty table became abundant. So fast forward to that beautiful space that seem so historic to SS, is not a retail space, with what is left of KBs upstairs.

[ceguider]

The "RENT" that the Developer charges is a big factor. If someone (an entity) were to invest a lot of money, he'd have to get some substantial "relief" for the first few years. Furthermore, there are other factors on opening a business in the "older section".

[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by NotFromAroundHere

Am I supposed to order something I don't want just so the owner can make more money?

Of course not. But expecting free lemon is greedy and causing the owner to make less profit. So, when they close, maybe that is one reason.

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by ceguider

Furthermore, there are other factors on opening a business in the "older section".

Like...........?
Steve

[karostay]

Developer put their share of profits every month in their pockets for years and years ..Obviously put nothing back into updating the building

[Chatbrat]

That's what any landlord does--a customer of mine constructed an office building with several business suites, one of the suites was for the landlord-his suite had the best energy efficient lighting, insulation--the renters suites had no insulation, the cheapest fixtures, etc