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gomoho 06-11-2013 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 690558)
Keep in mind that the previous operator said he wasn't doing well financially. So that alone suggests that prices might need to be raised. It's not carved in stone but it's a clue. Most likely he could have stayed but wasn't willing to pay the higher rent. Why would he want to stay and pay a higher rent if he wasn't doing well? If he had a five year lease, for example, it would be time for a rent increase. Rents don't stay the same forever. Couple that with major renovations and it would likely bring a hefty increase in the rent. Any money spent for renovations has to be recovered from the one and only source of income, the customers. Even if the developer can do it cheaply there's no guarantee he will pass the savings on to the next tenant/operator. Why should he? He's in business to make money.

The new operator will have to be someone or some corporation with a proven track record for producing profits. And I can't help but think it will likely mean an increase in menu prices. With the same customer base, they will have to bring in more money to cover the higher rent. That's the way I see it.

If you weren't worried about my post, why did you have such a strong reaction to it?
WOW - that's a whole lot of speculation.:undecided:

Bogie Shooter 06-11-2013 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 690004)
Oh, please??? I stand by my statement.

Not to worry? I'm not worried. Why would I worry? I only ate there once in 14 years because someone invited me. But by the tone of your reply you sound like you mighy be worried. Are you worried that someone might get the wrong idea about what's going to happen?

boyhowdy!!!
Ate ther once in 14 years.............you don't have a dog in this fight!!!!!!

Bogie Shooter 06-11-2013 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by r2j2j (Post 690511)
Has any one noticed how messy the Spanish Springs rest rooms on that side are they are way over do for re doing.
What Spanish Springs rest rooms? On what side??

Villages PL 06-11-2013 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by stuckinparadise (Post 690574)
If the place is renovated and the food is good, I don't think most people would mind paying more. It may be a cliche but you normally do get what you pay for.
Well, I wouldn't attempt to speak for "most people" because we have all classes of people in the villages. We have wealthy, poor, and everything in between. When I first moved here, I lived in the historic section (or prehistoric as I like to say :-) And while I was there I met one person who had to get a reverse mortgage. Another neighbor was thinking of getting a reverse mortgage but didn't because her children agreed to send her a few hundred dollars every month. Lots of people end up living longer than they expected and run out of money. And the two I mentioned liked eating out. That was one of their favorite activities. So not everyone is flush with money, which may be difficult for some to believe in the Villages. I'm sure there are lots of people who liked it just the way it was.

Villages PL 06-11-2013 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 690621)
Ate ther once in 14 years.............you don't have a dog in this fight!!!!!!
Oh, is this a dog fight? I didn't realize that.

Villages PL 06-11-2013 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 690584)
WOW - that's a whole lot of speculation.:undecided:
It might seem that way if you don't have a business background. To me it's just common sense. Will they raise prices immediately upon reopening? That depends on the type of operation (mom & pop or corporation). But if prices don't go up immediately, I believe prices will have to go up as soon as they realize there's not enough money coming in to pay the bills and yield a profit. Opening a new restaurant is one of the most risky businesses there is. There's a huge failure rate but you don't always see failure happen right away, sometimes they hang on for a long time before throwing in the towel.

Mack184 06-11-2013 04:44 PM
Since so much of this is speculation, here's my 2 cents. I guess we have established that Morse Industries, Inc. owns the building and then leases it out. If they (Morse) are going to refurbish & upgrade the facilities for a new tenant, then it is likely that the monthly rent will increase over the price paid by the past tenant. If that's the case, then either the new operator will keep prices the same and make less per item, or charge more to make the same percentage of income. I'm guessing higher prices will be the case if that is the scenario.

tommy steam 06-11-2013 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by collie1228 (Post 688322)
According to this morning's Sun, the restaurant hasn't been profitable enough for the business owner (he was quoted) and The Villages will refurbish the building, which is long overdue. Sounds like a sound business decision by both the restaurant owner and TV.
That's just what I read in the paper. He said he was not making enough to keep it operating . Hopefully the people in charge of this place will buff it up and get a good restaurant in there. Nobody likes change but its a fact of life.

Villages PL 06-13-2013 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by tommy steam (Post 690695)
That's just what I read in the paper. He said he was not making enough to keep it operating . Hopefully the people in charge of this place will buff it up and get a good restaurant in there. Nobody likes change but its a fact of life.
To put a conclusion on what you said, the way to make it profitable would be to raise prices, get more customers, or a combination of the two. Doing both will be a neet trick, if they can pull it off.

Bill-n-Brillo 06-14-2013 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 691825)
To put a conclusion on what you said, the way to make it profitable would be to raise prices, get more customers, or a combination of the two. Doing both will be a neet trick, if they can pull it off.
........and/or reduce expenses.

Bill :)

Bogie Shooter 06-14-2013 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo (Post 692006)
........and/or reduce expenses.

Bill :)
guess that comes from a business background..................

Bill-n-Brillo 06-14-2013 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 692084)
guess that comes from a business background..................
"Yes siree, Bob!" :D

Bill :wave:

Bogie Shooter 06-14-2013 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo (Post 692248)
"Yes siree, Bob!" :D

Bill :wave:
Bob?

Bill-n-Brillo 06-14-2013 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 692255)
Bob?
Just an old expression I remember from way back.......hence the quotes when I typed it. A statement basically confirming agreement.

Sorry!

Bill ;)

graciegirl 06-14-2013 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo (Post 692289)
Just an old expression I remember from way back.......hence the quotes when I typed it. A statement basically confirming agreement.

Sorry!

Bill ;)
I THINK his name is ED. but then I am only guessing.

Bogie Shooter 06-14-2013 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo (Post 692289)
Just an old expression I remember from way back.......hence the quotes when I typed it. A statement basically confirming agreement.

Sorry!

Bill ;)
I knew that...........................

Oops, padding them stats again.

mikeandnancy1112 06-14-2013 06:43 PM
Awesome, Bill! I know that quote very well! Brings back many memories!

mikeandnancy1112 06-14-2013 06:49 PM
Well said, Gracie!! It doesn't matter whether we live in a Premier home, Designer, Ranch, Villa, Manufactured Home, etc., we all have the same privileges living in TV. That is the beauty of this retirement community!

Uncle Tom 06-15-2013 06:29 AM
Very well said, I agree
 
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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 690558)
Keep in mind that the previous operator said he wasn't doing well financially. So that alone suggests that prices might need to be raised. It's not carved in stone but it's a clue. Most likely he could have stayed but wasn't willing to pay the higher rent. Why would he want to stay and pay a higher rent if he wasn't doing well? If he had a five year lease, for example, it would be time for a rent increase. Rents don't stay the same forever. Couple that with major renovations and it would likely bring a hefty increase in the rent. Any money spent for renovations has to be recovered from the one and only source of income, the customers. Even if the developer can do it cheaply there's no guarantee he will pass the savings on to the next tenant/operator. Why should he? He's in business to make money.

The new operator will have to be someone or some corporation with a proven track record for producing profits. And I can't help but think it will likely mean an increase in menu prices. With the same customer base, they will have to bring in more money to cover the higher rent. That's the way I see it.

If you weren't worried about my post, why did you have such a strong reaction to it?
Sounds like you have a business background, you are very realistic. Most Villagers think if TV wave their magic wand over a project it will be bigger and better. Unfortunately not true on the old (historic) side. Most likely it will be a rec center, like they have done to other locations.

Midvale 06-24-2013 07:28 AM
Has any sort of renovation started at Orange Blossom yet?

billethkid 06-24-2013 06:22 PM
:popcorn::popcorn:

bkcunningham1 06-24-2013 07:11 PM
Nothing has started there yet. I was there swimming this past weekend and there isn't anything happening inside...yet. I'm in agreement with my husband who says it wouldn't make sense to reopen during the down season. It would make more sense for the new management to take their time with the renovations and to reopen the country club when the snowbirds migrate south again.

Midvale 06-24-2013 07:31 PM
I guess that makes sense as long as it and the Tiki Bar DOES reopen!

bkcunningham1 06-24-2013 08:28 PM
I don't know the correct word to use, but it feels "odd" to be there without the tiki bar opened. It is the most beautiful country club pool in TV, but it isn't the same without the restaurant and tiki bar. It seems almost deserted now. I am keeping my fingers crossed that it reopens. I feel confident it will reopen better than ever.

justjim 06-24-2013 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bkcunningham1 (Post 697280)
Nothing has started there yet. I was there swimming this past weekend and there isn't anything happening inside...yet. I'm in agreement with my husband who says it wouldn't make sense to reopen during the down season. It would make more sense for the new management to take their time with the renovations and to reopen the country club when the snowbirds migrate south again.
From what I read, OB restaurant closed just a couple weeks ago. It takes a little time to get plans and permits pulled to renovate a building. Everybody needs to have a little patience. Once they get all the necessary county permits, the work will go very quick. Of course, a new lease agreement must be signed---hopefully many of the former employees will get an opportunity to return. No doubt the renovated restaurant will be a great addition to TV and it's residents.

kaydee 06-24-2013 10:25 PM
We played golf at OB last Friday...brought along our swim suits as we often do on these hot days. Had a small cooler with us with 2 bottles of water and 1 can of beer. We were abruptly told NO COOLERS ALLOWED and that we could buy a cold drink from the starter shack. Made our way to the stinky bathroom at the starter shack to change into our swim suits and quickly got out of there. It would be nice if coolers were permitted by ALL pool monitors there during this renovation. It is such a beautiful pool and the residents along with their visitors have always loved spending the day along with their $$$. Maybe it sounds like I'm whining but... it seems like some consideration could be given temporarily while the renovation takes place. Hot dog cart maybe with some cold drinks for purchase and allow patrons to bring their coolers in. Just my opinion

njbchbum 06-24-2013 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by kaydee (Post 697393)
... it seems like some consideration could be given temporarily while the renovation takes place. Hot dog cart maybe with some cold drinks for purchase and allow patrons to bring their coolers in. Just my opinion
wouldn't a food truck be fun!!! :)

EdV 06-25-2013 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Uncle Tom (Post 692510)
Sounds like you have a business background, you are very realistic. Most Villagers think if TV wave their magic wand over a project it will be bigger and better. Unfortunately not true on the old (historic) side. Most likely it will be a rec center, like they have done to other locations.
But those "other" locations were on VCCDD controlled executive courses. The OB CC is developer owned like all the other championship courses.

Midvale 06-25-2013 11:44 AM
Same here!!


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Originally Posted by bkcunningham1 (Post 697334)
I don't know the correct word to use, but it feels "odd" to be there without the tiki bar opened. It is the most beautiful country club pool in TV, but it isn't the same without the restaurant and tiki bar. It seems almost deserted now. I am keeping my fingers crossed that it reopens. I feel confident it will reopen better than ever.


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