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Caymus 09-17-2022 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2137435)
Hate to burst everyone's bubble about steak houses and restaurants cooking steaks. They actually put them in a baggie and put the baggie in boiling water. They put a meat thermometer in the steak, and once it reaches the temperature desired for the level of doneness the customer wants they pull it out and sear it in a frying pan. You're basically eating boiled meat for $40 a plate.

Many restaurants use Sous Vide methods. My standard home method for a Strip Steak is 120F for 2 hours followed by a sear.

fdpaq0580 09-17-2022 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2137435)
Hate to burst everyone's bubble about steak houses and restaurants cooking steaks. They actually put them in a baggie and put the baggie in boiling water. They put a meat thermometer in the steak, and once it reaches the temperature desired for the level of doneness the customer wants they pull it out and sear it in a frying pan. You're basically eating boiled meat for $40 a plate.

1. Vacuum sealed. Not a "baggie".
2. Warm water. Not boiling.
3. Sous Vide cooking procedures usually take longer and require a bit more work then just frying or grilling.

Vermilion Villager 09-17-2022 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2137438)
You just described "sous vide" cooking...

Google it, it's most certainly not "boiled meat"...

I know...I have one and they work great. Just saying most people think they are getting a grilled steak from the restaurant and they are not… Nothing but smoke and mirrors.

ohioshooter 09-17-2022 10:22 AM

We have a Sous Vide cooker that works great for a lot of meats. Personally, I prefer to start with a room temp strip steak and fry it at 400@ for 4 minutes a side. This thread is making me hungry.

DaleDivine 09-17-2022 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2137460)
I know...I have one and they work great. Just saying most people think they are getting a grilled steak from the restaurant and they are not… Nothing but smoke and mirrors.

You can take a tour of the kitchen at Berns Steakhouse and they DEFINITELY DO NOT USE THIS METHOD. You can watch as they grill steaks to perfection.

:ho::welcome::welcome:

DaleDivine 09-17-2022 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ohioshooter (Post 2137252)
I agree about home cooking. What I have started doing is putting a cast iron skillet on the grill. I get to 400deg and put a nice sear on the steak.

I have a propane turkey fryer and put our cast iron skillet on that. It gets almost red hot. Throw ribeye or filet steaks on for 1 minute on each side and you have the perfect Pittsburgh style steak. Crispy on the outside and rare inside. cut with a fork.... MMMMMMM

:icon_hungry::icon_hungry::bigbow::bigbow:

Bea&Mike 09-17-2022 11:24 AM

Steak dinner
 
We just went to the Oak Restaurant on 44 it was the best steak we had very tender, and juicy flavor. I recommend this place price very reasonable too.

valuemkt 09-17-2022 11:32 AM

My measure of a good steak house is a Prime Cut Bone in Ribeye. Have found neither in the Villages. Would not be surprised if the Village Restaurants do sous-vide.. real steak houses do not. Most Village Restaurants do not offer thick bone-in ribeyes. Also, monitor the quality. Locals follow the misleading labels like Premium Choice, Premium, or simply choice. Or they do not indicate whether it is USDA or not (be careful of a certain meat market in Wildwood that advertises Prime, but it is not USDA and certainly not Prime). Expand your local "area" to include Ocala and greater Orlando. As already mentioned, mark's is top notch. While high end chains, Flemings and Capital Grill in Orlando make a great steak in a real steak house atmosphere. I have not sampled Charlie;s in Tampa, but understand they are worth trying as well.

lawgolfer 09-17-2022 11:44 AM

Several Choices
 
Let's focus on the question!

The Chophouse at Lake Sumter does a fine job.

The same for Prima at Brownwood.

The most interesting steak in TheVillages is the Chateaubriand, a tenderloin strip, at Lopez Legacy CC. It is also a great bargain.

The Lopez restaurant is owned and operated by the same family which has Prima and Havana CC. Their restaurants rarely disappoint.

Having answered the question, I'll offer my opinion on how to cook a steak and which steak to cook.

1. Buy a Porterhouse steak cut a minimum thickness of 1&1/4", preferably 1&1/2". The Porterhouse is the first two or three cuts from the rear of the short loin. As the cuts progress forward on the short loin, the steaks become T bones. The Porterhouse has the N.Y. strip on one side and the filet on the other. Try to get the 1st cut. If you ask the butcher nicely, he may cut one from a side of beef in the cooler or save you one when he next cuts up a side. If he does, remember him at Christmas. Fresh Market is a good place to shop for steaks. On the first Porterhouse, the last inch or two of the bone forming the "T" will not be attached at the bottom.

2. Have the steak at room temperature. If it is chilled or, heaven forbid, frozen, it will cook unevenly due to the presence of the bone. Pat dry and season to your preference. The cooking techniques mentioned by others using a cold or frozen steak will work for a boneless cut, but not one with a bone.

3. Use an oven-proof frying pan or skillet of some thickness as it will hold the temperature better than one which is thin. Add a small amount of oil with a high smoking point. Heat the pan or skillet to a high temperature. Place the steak in the pan and, using thongs, move it around so that it is evenly seared and has a nice appearance. With the thongs, hold the steak upright and sear the edges. Place the uncooked side down and sear it. However, do not sear it to the same degree as the first side as it will continue to sear in the next step. Do not overcook. You are only searing the steak for appearance and to seal the surfaces.

4. Have the oven preheated to 400 or 425 deg. I use 400 to minimize spattering of the oven. Place the pan with the steak in the oven and bake for 3&1/2 to 4&1/2 minutes. After you do this a few times, you'll learn the time which produces the results you like. We like our steaks to be rare to medium rare. I've found that 3&1/2 minutes works well.

Do not overcook! If you are uncertain or it is your first time, make a cut in the steak after removing it from the oven. If you find it to be too rare, put it back in the oven.

5. If you want a sauce, make it in the pan while the steak is resting. Certainly, no good steak requires a sauce. We prefer Steak au Poivre. Deglaze the pan with 1/4 cup of brandy or cognac. Let the alcohol boil off. Add lots of fresh ground pepper, a pinch of salt, and a cup of cream. Bring the cream to a low boil, whisking constantly until it thickens and will coat the back of a spoon. Add a splash of brandy or cognac, whisk, and set aside while you cut the steak. If necessary, whisk the sauce again before ladling it over the steak.

6. Whether or not you bother with a sauce, let the steak rest on a cutting board (not in the pan) for a couple of minutes, This allows the juices to be absorbed in the steak and avoids having a plate swimming in bloody liquid. If you have a monster appetite, eat all of it yourself. If not, cut the two sides from the bone and serve the filet, the small side, to your significant other. If you want to be fancy and make a beautiful presentation, cut the steaks cross-wise into 1/2' strips and fan them out on the plate.

This is the classic French method for cooking steak and is employed at the finest restaurants. You'll end up with a steak that is crusty on the outside and progressively cooked from each side towards the center. Once you learn the technique, you'l find it makes a perfectly cooked steak and is quite easy. Certainly, it is less trouble than firing up a grill or filling the house with smoke from using the broiler.

Before you criticize my choice of the Porterhouse, you should know that I'm an ag school graduate and that classes in meat grading were included in the curriculum. I spent a fair amount of time in the cooling rooms at slaughter houses with USDA inspectors. Anyone who has done this will second my recommendation of the Porterhouse. It's hard to get a bad Porterhouse. When we were in California, we lived in an area with many dairy farms. I used to buy Porterhouses at a small Mexican market that were cut from older milk cows being culled from the herd. Those steaks were so large, they fell over the sides of the plate. Dinner guests would rave over the steaks we served. My wife would be embarrassed and be mad at me if I told the guests the source of the steaks.

Gerrys 09-17-2022 11:50 AM

Visit Fresh Market on Saturdays. Buy 2 large Chateaubriand cut Filet Mignon for $25. Th best I have ever had.

ThirdOfFive 09-17-2022 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by lawgolfer (Post 2137492)
Let's focus on the question!

The Chophouse at Lake Sumter does a fine job.

The same for Prima at Brownwood.

The most interesting steak in TheVillages is the Chateaubriand, a tenderloin strip, at Lopez Legacy CC. It is also a great bargain.

The Lopez restaurant is owned and operated by the same family which has Prima and Havana CC. Their restaurants rarely disappoint.

Having answered the question, I'll offer my opinion on how to cook a steak and which steak to cook.

1. Buy a Porterhouse steak cut a minimum thickness of 1&1/4", preferably 1&1/2". The Porterhouse is the first two or three cuts from the rear of the short loin. As the cuts progress forward on the short loin, the steaks become T bones. The Porterhouse has the N.Y. strip on one side and the filet on the other. Try to get the 1st cut. If you ask the butcher nicely, he may cut one from a side of beef in the cooler or save you one when he next cuts up a side. If he does, remember him at Christmas. Fresh Market is a good place to shop for steaks. On the first Porterhouse, the last inch or two of the bone forming the "T" will not be attached at the bottom.

2. Have the steak at room temperature. If it is chilled or, heaven forbid, frozen, it will cook unevenly due to the presence of the bone. Pat dry and season to your preference. The cooking techniques mentioned by others using a cold or frozen steak will work for a boneless cut, but not one with a bone.

3. Use an oven-proof frying pan or skillet of some thickness as it will hold the temperature better than one which is thin. Add a small amount of oil with a high smoking point. Heat the pan or skillet to a high temperature. Place the steak in the pan and, using thongs, move it around so that it is evenly seared and has a nice appearance. With the thongs, hold the steak upright and sear the edges. Place the uncooked side down and sear it. However, do not sear it to the same degree as the first side as it will continue to sear in the next step. Do not overcook. You are only searing the steak for appearance and to seal the surfaces.

4. Have the oven preheated to 400 or 425 deg. I use 400 to minimize spattering of the oven. Place the pan with the steak in the oven and bake for 3&1/2 to 4&1/2 minutes. After you do this a few times, you'll learn the time which produces the results you like. We like our steaks to be rare to medium rare. I've found that 3&1/2 minutes works well.

Do not overcook! If you are uncertain or it is your first time, make a cut in the steak after removing it from the oven. If you find it to be too rare, put it back in the oven.

5. If you want a sauce, make it in the pan while the steak is resting. Certainly, no good steak requires a sauce. We prefer Steak au Poivre. Deglaze the pan with 1/4 cup of brandy or cognac. Let the alcohol boil off. Add lots of fresh ground pepper, a pinch of salt, and a cup of cream. Bring the cream to a low boil, whisking constantly until it thickens and will coat the back of a spoon. Add a splash of brandy or cognac, whisk, and set aside while you cut the steak. If necessary, whisk the sauce again before ladling it over the steak.

6. Whether or not you bother with a sauce, let the steak rest on a cutting board (not in the pan) for a couple of minutes, This allows the juices to be absorbed in the steak and avoids having a plate swimming in bloody liquid. If you have a monster appetite, eat all of it yourself. If not, cut the two sides from the bone and serve the filet, the small side, to your significant other. If you want to be fancy and make a beautiful presentation, cut the steaks cross-wise into 1/2' strips and fan them out on the plate.

This is the classic French method for cooking steak and is employed at the finest restaurants. You'll end up with a steak that is crusty on the outside and progressively cooked from each side towards the center. Once you learn the technique, you'l find it makes a perfectly cooked steak and is quite easy. Certainly, it is less trouble than firing up a grill or filling the house with smoke from using the broiler.

Before you criticize my choice of the Porterhouse, you should know that I'm an ag school graduate and that classes in meat grading were included in the curriculum. I spent a fair amount of time in the cooling rooms at slaughter houses with USDA inspectors. Anyone who has done this will second my recommendation of the Porterhouse. It's hard to get a bad Porterhouse. When we were in California, we lived in an area with many dairy farms. I used to buy Porterhouses at a small Mexican market that were cut from older milk cows being culled from the herd. Those steaks were so large, they fell over the sides of the plate. Dinner guests would rave over the steaks we served. My wife would be embarrassed and be mad at me if I told the guests the source of the steaks.

Excellent post, and points. My thanks.

retiredguy123 09-17-2022 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Windguy (Post 2137336)
Not many answers to the OP’s question!

I like Mark’s Prime in Ocala and Bern’s Steakhouse in Tampa. Bern’s is supposed to be one of the best in the country and going there is a real treat and worth the drive.

I would just point out that the OP didn't mention anything about going to a restaurant for the steak.

Blackbird45 09-17-2022 12:18 PM

Sous vide Fan
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2137435)
Hate to burst everyone's bubble about steak houses and restaurants cooking steaks. They actually put them in a baggie and put the baggie in boiling water. They put a meat thermometer in the steak, and once it reaches the temperature desired for the level of doneness the customer wants they pull it out and sear it in a frying pan. You're basically eating boiled meat for $40 a plate.

I'm a sous vide fan, I've never been able to nail down a steak the way I like it, but when it comes to fish and pork you can't beat it. You put it in a vacuum seal bag set it for the internal temperature you want, when it done it alerts you, you cut open the bag, dry it and sear it. You don't even need a pan you can blowtorch it. It's great if you have guest over.

Michael G. 09-17-2022 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2137499)
I would just point out that the OP didn't mention anything about going to a restaurant for the steak.

:boom:

JSR22 09-17-2022 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2137499)
I would just point out that the OP didn't mention anything about going to a restaurant for the steak.

It did not even occur to me she wanted to cook. Read the post and immeditely thought of restaurants! I rarely cook.

MSGirl 09-17-2022 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 2137218)
Who has the best, juiciest, most tender filet or rib eye, available in the area?

Berns in Tampa! The end.

Stu from NYC 09-17-2022 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2137444)
If you don't mind driving to Ocala, I think that Mark's is a great place to get a steak. I find it interesting that their website shows a photo of a filet mignon, but it doesn't have a crust on it. Also, they say the filet mignon is USDA inspected, but not whether it is Choice or Prime. They offer a 7 ounce and an 11 ounce filet mignon.

For the 11 ounce filet, with a salad, potato, tax, and 20 percent tip, you will pay about $92, or $184 for two. If you plan to drink anything, the sky is the limit. Note that the Chophouse in The Villages is less expensive than Mark's.

We have been to Marks and was the best steak we have ever had but no idea of the cost at the present time

REDCART 09-17-2022 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerrys (Post 2137495)
Visit Fresh Market on Saturdays. Buy 2 large Chateaubriand cut Filet Mignon for $25. Th best I have ever had.

Coincidentally, my wife went to Fresh Mkt this morning, and came home with two chateaubriands. Without doubt, they were the best steaks we’ve had here in FL. Berns is on our bucket list but we just haven’t gotten there yet. These were really outstanding steaks and we could never have enjoyed anything similar locally and for $25. Happy to hear it’s a regular Saturday sale at FM. We’ll buy them again in a heartbeat.

Babubhat 09-17-2022 06:42 PM

Sams club for home. Prime about 16 pound. Capital grille for dining out

JoMar 09-17-2022 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Windguy (Post 2137336)
Not many answers to the OP’s question!

I like Mark’s Prime in Ocala and Bern’s Steakhouse in Tampa. Bern’s is supposed to be one of the best in the country and going there is a real treat and worth the drive.

Agree.....both are favorites although Mark's is ala carte. If you go Berns, take the kitchen tour, the wine tour and finish in the dessert room

Worldseries27 09-17-2022 07:34 PM

Fire in the hole
 
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Originally Posted by stu from nyc (Post 2137265)
new one on me, cooking shows say let it sit out to about room temp before cooking. Broiler just does not get hot enough and too much trouble to buy a propane grill and use it.

aim to please

Worldseries27 09-17-2022 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bobnbev (Post 2137218)
who has the best, juiciest, most tender filet or rib eye, available in the area?

any one of neighbors bbq's

Rwirish 09-18-2022 06:07 AM

Burger King.

terenceanne 09-18-2022 06:44 AM

For reasonable pricing I have found Cody's and Texas Roadhouse to be good (most of the time). A bit more money and Chop House comes into play. Then the more expensive Steak Houses others have mentioned.
I don't care what people do at home on their grill - that's not the question asked.

LindaMueller 09-18-2022 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 2137218)
Who has the best, juiciest, most tender filet or rib eye, available in the area?

Longhorn Steak House on 441 is reasonably priced, and Flo’s Fillet is my favorite steak. Their sides and desserts are delicious! In fact, anything I have ordered there, from salmon to chicken tenders, has been great.

admiral72 09-18-2022 07:20 AM

steak
 
sous vide then rest in cold water bath and then blow torch to crust you like or propane infrared home salamanders work well at 500 degrees

Windguy 09-18-2022 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2137499)
I would just point out that the OP didn't mention anything about going to a restaurant for the steak.

When someone uses the term “juicy,” it seems to me they are talking about a steak that is cooked. Steaks don’t come juicy from the market. I think most anyone would assume they were talking about a steak from a restaurant. I think if the OP were interested in hearing how different people like to cook their steaks, they would have asked people what they think is the best way to cook a steak.

OhioBuckeye 09-18-2022 07:39 AM

Stu from NYC, no you have to do them on a grill. Stove makes them tough to eat.

Stu from NYC 09-18-2022 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye (Post 2137683)
Stu from NYC, no you have to do them on a grill. Stove makes them tough to eat.

Could you please clarify your post. thanks

mydavid 09-18-2022 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 2137218)
Who has the best, juiciest, most tender filet or rib eye, available in the area?

I have a Ninja elect grill that does great on steak.:mmmm:

Caymus 09-18-2022 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye (Post 2137683)
Stu from NYC, no you have to do them on a grill. Stove makes them tough to eat.

The stove should only be used for part of the process. Sous Vide or oven should be the other part.

LindaMueller 09-18-2022 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 2137218)
Who has the best, juiciest, most tender filet or rib eye, available in the area?

Longhorn Steak House on 441 is reasonably priced, and Flo’s Fillet is my favorite steak. Their sides and desserts are delicious! In fact, anything I have ordered there, from salmon to chicken tenders, has been great.

biker59 09-18-2022 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 2137218)
Who has the best, juiciest, most tender filet or rib eye, available in the area?

I like Outback on rt 441/27. I regularly get their Victoria filet. Thick, juicy, tasty. Going there tonight, matter of fact.

Stu from NYC 09-18-2022 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Caymus (Post 2137741)
The stove should only be used for part of the process. Sous Vide or oven should be the other part.

Thanks for the clarification.

Guess easier to get a good one at a restaurant, have liked the ones we have gotten at Longhorn

Bea&Mike 09-18-2022 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 2137218)
Who has the best, juiciest, most tender filet or rib eye, available in the area?

We just ate at The Oak Restaurant on 44 it was the best Tender juice steak we had since moving here two years.

Caymus 09-18-2022 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2137860)
Thanks for the clarification.

Guess easier to get a good one at a restaurant, have liked the ones we have gotten at Longhorn

It does make life easier.:) I forget which grade of beef they use. Some of the large chains say they use prime.

DaleDivine 09-18-2022 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by biker59 (Post 2137829)
I like Outback on rt 441/27. I regularly get their Victoria filet. Thick, juicy, tasty. Going there tonight, matter of fact.

My favorite steakhouse locally. They know how to cook a steak Pittsburgh style.
Crispy on the outside and rare center.. Both Filets and ribeyes...
:icon_hungry::icon_hungry::agree::bowdown:

Stryker 09-18-2022 01:49 PM

The Beat Filet is DIY
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 2137218)
Who has the best, juiciest, most tender filet or rib eye, available in the area?

I was on a filet diet. I had filet every night for 6 months. (Lost 80lbs) It was easy to do because I easily had the best filet in 50 miles. Simple is best. Here is what I did.

1. Get prime filet from Publix. (Not all Publix have it. ) have them cut you center cuts of 2 1/2 to 3” filets. This will provide 10 to 12 oz. filets. It has to be Prime.

2. Heat a well seasoned cast iron pan over high heat, to searing temperature.

3. Season the filet with salt and pepper only.

4. Add a few drops of evoo to the pan.

5. Place the filet in the pan, and reduce the pan down to a medium high temperature.

6. I like rare, so I cook the filet for 3 minutes 30 seconds on each side.

7. I finish the steak, in the pan with a splash of dry vermouth, and a drizzle of truffle oil.

This is best done on a gas stove.

Simple, easy to do, and very little prep. To my taste this produces the best filet ever.

Jblefty 09-18-2022 09:19 PM

Well, in the olden days.... Like last year, I'd buy a 2 1/2" thick Tomahawk at Sam's . Smoke it on my pellet grill for about 2 hrs. Temperature is about 130 to 140, your choice. Then and brush on the butter, sear it on my gas grill at 500 degrees for a minute or two. Ah... best steak I've ever had....

Ele201 09-19-2022 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bea&Mike (Post 2137486)
We just went to the Oak Restaurant on 44 it was the best steak we had very tender, and juicy flavor. I recommend this place price very reasonable too.

Live nearby, and may give Oak a try. Just wondering, how much was the steak? And what type of steak did you have? Thanks!


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