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Bill14564 07-08-2025 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2444049)
I think every bill passed by congress is political.

But if you could make the decision, which group of workers should get the tax break? Explain how you reached your conclusion.

Congress is elected through a partisan process so sure, everything passed by congress could be defined to be political. At the same time, some things (many these days) are more political than others. This is one of those.

My decision would be no targeted deductions. An across-the-board standard deduction of whatever is deemed reasonable is sufficient.

Stu from NYC 07-08-2025 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2444208)
Congress is elected through a partisan process so sure, everything passed by congress could be defined to be political. At the same time, some things (many these days) are more political than others. This is one of those.

My decision would be no targeted deductions. An across-the-board standard deduction of whatever is deemed reasonable is sufficient.

Agreed but special interests run the govt these days

Aces4 07-08-2025 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2444208)
Congress is elected through a partisan process so sure, everything passed by congress could be defined to be political. At the same time, some things (many these days) are more political than others. This is one of those.

My decision would be no targeted deductions. An across-the-board standard deduction of whatever is deemed reasonable is sufficient.

And we wonder why so many people are on the public teat. Why bother working when you are working under such conditions with forced overtime and you have to pay the same taxes on your meager wages as the white collar fat cats running to the computer to check how their day trading is progressing.

I think those living in The Villages need a reality check.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-08-2025 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bopat (Post 2444198)
I remember when waiters and waitresses were kids going to school or older people supplementing their income.

I remember when they were single mothers needing to support themselves. I remember my grandmother telling me about women who worked in restaurants during the depression. I remember learning about women on the frontier after this country was settled, serving customers in taverns.

Waiters and waitresses have come from all backgrounds, of all ages, living in a variety of circumstances, and doing so for all kinds of reasons.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-08-2025 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2444208)
Congress is elected through a partisan process so sure, everything passed by congress could be defined to be political. At the same time, some things (many these days) are more political than others. This is one of those.

My decision would be no targeted deductions. An across-the-board standard deduction of whatever is deemed reasonable is sufficient.

I think a $15,000 standard deduction for each member of the household might be great. Of course, a poor family with 6 kids would end up getting a deduction larger than their income - do they get a kickback, instead of paying taxes?

Bill14564 07-08-2025 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2444270)
I think a $15,000 standard deduction for each member of the household might be great. Of course, a poor family with 6 kids would end up getting a deduction larger than their income - do they get a kickback, instead of paying taxes?

Change the numbers a little and that's the way it works now.

shut the front door 07-08-2025 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2444271)
Change the numbers a little and that's the way it works now.

Yep, they already get the Earned Income Credit along with all of the government assistance. But it will never be enough for some folks.

Stu from NYC 07-08-2025 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2444270)
I think a $15,000 standard deduction for each member of the household might be great. Of course, a poor family with 6 kids would end up getting a deduction larger than their income - do they get a kickback, instead of paying taxes?

So less and less people support the govt. Not a good idea IMHO.

thelegges 07-09-2025 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2444270)
I think a $15,000 standard deduction for each member of the household might be great. Of course, a poor family with 6 kids would end up getting a deduction larger than their income - do they get a kickback, instead of paying taxes?

They would only receive $$ paid in refund return.
When you have a disaster claim on your taxes for amount over and above what funds were received from insurance or FEMA:girlneener: (or no insurance).
The $$ is applied to taxes owed, refund is only for taxes paid.

Normal 07-09-2025 08:42 AM

Flat,Tax
 
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Originally Posted by thelegges (Post 2444303)
They would only receive $$ paid in refund return.
When you have a disaster claim on your taxes for amount over and above what funds were received from insurance or FEMA:girlneener: (or no insurance).
The $$ is applied to taxes owed, refund is only for taxes paid.

Just eliminate all special tax breaks for everyone. Flat tax everything. The rich guy pays 5% on his million dollar boat, the poor guy pays 5% on his 300 dollar row boat.

Risuli 07-09-2025 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2444364)

Just eliminate all special tax breaks for everyone. Flat tax everything. The rich guy pays 5% on his million dollar boat, the poor guy pays 5% on his 300 dollar row boat.

I've always felt that a flat tax across the board with no exemptions would be fair. But, I keep hearing that I don't understand how this would not be fair. The explanations just don't seem to make sense to me...

fdpaq0580 07-09-2025 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2444364)

Just eliminate all special tax breaks for everyone. Flat tax everything. The rich guy pays 5% on his million dollar boat, the poor guy pays 5% on his 300 dollar row boat.

The poor guy has A BOAT? Jeez! I'm worse off than I thought! 😭😭😭

fdpaq0580 07-09-2025 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2444270)
I think a $15,000 standard deduction for each member of the household might be great. Of course, a poor family with 6 kids would end up getting a deduction larger than their income - do they get a kickback, instead of paying taxes?

Why would a poor couple breed themselves into greater poverty? It will be the kids who ultimately suffer.

Bill14564 07-09-2025 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Risuli (Post 2444378)
I've always felt that a flat tax across the board with no exemptions would be fair. But, I keep hearing that I don't understand how this would not be fair. The explanations just don't seem to make sense to me...

"Fair" is in the eye of the check-writer.

If I'm earning in the upper tax brackets it sure doesn't seem fair that the guy over there only pays 10% on his income or maybe nothing at all. We should have a flat tax so I pay less and he at least pays something.

If I'm earning in the lower tax brackets and can barely afford food then it sure doesn't seem fair that the rich guy over there not only has a private chef but also has enough to pay for fuel for his million dollar yacht. We should raise his taxes a bit so I can afford to eat every night or go to the doctor once a year.

Stu from NYC 07-09-2025 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2444383)
"Fair" is in the eye of the check-writer.

If I'm earning in the upper tax brackets it sure doesn't seem fair that the guy over there only pays 10% on his income or maybe nothing at all. We should have a flat tax so I pay less and he at least pays something.

If I'm earning in the lower tax brackets and can barely afford food then it sure doesn't seem fair that the rich guy over there not only has a private chef but also has enough to pay for fuel for his million dollar yacht. We should raise his taxes a bit so I can afford to eat every night or go to the doctor once a year.

Depends upon what the rich guy over there is already paying.


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