Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2445575)

1. Europe isn't peopled by tip addicted, competitive virtue signalers trying to show how empathetic, kind and generous they are.

Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2445556)

Or the restaurant could just pay everyone a minimum wage. Why is it that Europe can do it and the USA cannot do it?

If a restaurant paid waiters 2x or 3x the minimum wage, would you still tip?

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2445637)

I guess the thinking might be, if you can afford a more expensive meal (or drink) you can afford a more expensive tip. Tipping then, is not really for service.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2445761)

If you demanded to know how much your server was getting paid, would the manager let you eat there at all or would he kick you out for minding someone else's business?

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2445772)

Car wash. Different prices based on the value of the car you drive? Same principle. Price your meal based on the clothes you chose to wear? Same principle.
If tipping isn't really for service, what IS is it for?? (hint ; it serves the same purpose as a "thank you" card you sent to Grandma for the Christmas sweater she sent you as a child.)

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2445782)

I expect the servers to have more training or more experience and therefore deserve a higher compensation.

Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2445646)

Michael Lynn is a professor at Cornell and is one of the leading experts on tipping. He has published more than 50 articles on tipping.

He says “I think that there are five basic motives for tipping.

1. Some people tip to show off.

2. Some people tip to help the server, to supplement their income and make them happy.

3. Some people tip to get future service.

4. And then other people tip to avoid disapproval: You don't want the server to think badly of you.

5. And some people tip out of a sense of duty.

And if you are interested in reading any of his articles, check this out.

My website

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2445782)

You are one of the few who continues to insist tipping is not for the service received.

Different prices based on the car I drive? Yes, different car wash choices based on the value I put on the car I drive and the service I expect from the car wash. I would make a different choice for my new Audi than I would for my ten year old Toyota and I would expect to pay different prices.

Price a meal based on the clothes you wear? Not the same at all. Though I might expect to pay more for the nicer clothes than for the more casual clothes.

At a more expensive restaurant I expect a higher quality of food as well as a higher quality of service. I expect the chef has had more training or more experience and therefore deserves more compensation. I expect the servers to have more training or more experience and therefore deserve a higher compensation. I may be more critical in my tipping decision at the more expensive restaurant due to those expectations.

Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2445646)

Michael Lynn is a professor at Cornell and is one of the leading experts on tipping. He has published more than 50 articles on tipping.

He says “I think that there are five basic motives for tipping.

1. Some people tip to show off.

2. Some people tip to help the server, to supplement their income and make them happy.

3. Some people tip to get future service.

4. And then other people tip to avoid disapproval: You don't want the server to think badly of you.

5. And some people tip out of a sense of duty.

And if you are interested in reading any of his articles, check this out.

My website

Originally Posted by Skip (Post 2445832)

Wow! So far 23 pages on this one topic. We could write a book.
Oh, maybe, we are.

Skip

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2445837)

And some people tip mostly because it is customary.

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2445843)

That comes in under #5. "Duty" post 331

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2437029)

Tips aren't supposed to be part of a server's paycheck from their employer. They're supposed to be in ADDITION to it. As a "thank you" from the customer directly, for doing a good (or better) job. There are people with extreme views in either direction:

People who think it's good to give at least 20%, and up to 40% of their tab, usually because they want to show off how generous they are. Those are the people who think they can buy their way into heaven.

People who think that they shouldn't tip at all, because the boss is paying the employee, and the employee is owed nothing by the customer. Those are the people who don't think they have to earn their place in heaven.

And then the people in the middle like me: old-fashioned. Traditional. If service is adequate, no complaints but nothing spectacular, I tip 15%. If service is good, but not great, they get 18%. If service is outstanding, they get 20%, plus one penny, plus a compliment to the manager to let them know their employee was responsible for maintaining high standards for their restaurant. If service was BAD, they get no tip, and a complaint to the manager.

I tip curb-side folks if they have to come out in the rain. I toss the change into the tip jar when I buy something at a take-out joint that has one - sometimes. Those are people who are already earning minimum wage or better, they are not "tipped employees."