While dining with those who have good hearts, good manners, and good conversation skills, I am blind to what they are wearing. Enter someone dressed to the nines who does not display these attributes and I want to leave the establishment immediately. Clothes don't make the night. People do!

Toledo at the Coronado Disney Hotel
 

While the mention of Savin Rock brings back memories, for upscale near here I suggest the Toledo at the Disney Coronado Hotel. Make a reservation that gets you there before sunset but keeps you there after. It’s on the Rte 429 side of Disney . Food, service, atmosphere and view. Enjoy.

I will wear a nice pair of shorts and collared golf shirt. See no reason to check on others shoes and socks.

Why be concerned with what others are wearing when going out for a nice dinner?

From what I have heard the developer does get a percentage of sales from his business renters but no idea about professional offices.

Almost all of the restaurants we go to are fairly close but outside the bubble.

Where do people come up with this stuff?

"Urban Legend" ???

Commercial Leases for retail & restaurants, are typically based on (or include) a percentage of the gross revenue of the business. That's how commercial leasing works.

Stu where did you hear that? You been around long enough to know that
Is just a rumor or do you have inside info?i

Is that a fact in Villages leases?

I suspect this is a troll account. Having dined at French Laundry (Thomas Keller's place in Napa), Volt (Brian Voltaggio's restaurant in Frederick, MD), Studio (Montage ocean cliff in Laguna Beach, CA) and James Beard award winner Amar Santana's place, Vaca, we have never paid $1,000 for two people.

Caveat: We never made it to Hubert Keller's Fleur de Lys in the Bay Area before it closed, or Commander's Palace in NOLA, so I cannot say they would not have prices approaching $100.

Second caveat: Your wine selections (assuming an appropriate and upscale pairing for each course) could jettison you into the $1,000-plus range.

Me, I'm very happy with Prima. I'm not that hoity-toity that the experience of the "uber-upscale" places are worth the palate pleasing price.

During covid there were lots of threads on this and the prevailing opinion was the developer gets a percentage of sales.

This is also a very common part of a lease for retail operations all over.

One of the reasons that the big box stores open outside the bubble is to avoid the percentage clause.

Part of my consideration for upscale restaurants is the ambiance. Lopez does not compare to the ambiance of Chop House.

If Buc ces had a sit down section would it qualify as upscale?

Best bbq brisket we have had and the baked goods are outstanding.

Just off Wonder of the Seas. We had dinner in Chops specialty restaurant. Had to look at some guy wearing a baseball cap……. backwards!!! I don’t care he was wearing a T Shirt and shorts and flip flops but the cap ruined it for me.

I doubt every lease in TV is the same. Percentages based on gross sales is a negotiating point, like everything else in a commercial lease.

A restaurant (like any other business) can justify a given rent, based on their projected sales volume (restaurants usually run about 6% - 12%).

A percentage rent is particularly useful, when leasing a restaurant with an unknown or unquantifiable history. The more successful the restaurant is, the more they pay in rent (or the opposite).

Take for example, the 1812 House (I think that's the name of the place in Spanish Springs that recently closed?). That location has a poor track record. Perhaps it's the location or perhaps it's mismanagement.

A potential operator comes to look at the site and says, "no one has been successful in this spot, because it's a lousy location ... I want cheaper rent".

TV Leasing agents says: "It's not the location, it's been mismanaged by previous operators".

Mr. Potential Operator says: "OK, fine. You want $30 sf. and I want to pay $25/sf. If you take the $25/sf, I'll pay you 3% of my gross revenue after the 1st $1,000,000 in revenue".

The owner (Lessor) and the business owner (Lessee), become responsible for each other's success.

Given the # of restaurants FMK has in TV, including operating some country clubs' F&B, I would bet the farm, their rents are based on a % of volume. I don't think there's any other practical way to do it.

Win - win for everyone.

[I have no clue what the going rents are in TV per square foot. That's just an example of how it works in the commercial leasing business].

Yeah. We've experienced that on Royal Caribbean a few times. Some clown shows up on Formal Night in the main dining room in a T-shirt, cutoffs and sandals, just because he knows that the staff most likely won't make a scene by making him leave. Guess that makes him (or her, in some cases) special. I don't know.

That is common in many retail rentals... Not just in TV...

Resort casual. Don't know of too many venues in TV (if any) or any of the restaurants we've patronized in the surrounding area where customers would complain about a fellow customer dressed like that. This is Florida after all.

Correct. And it is not unique to TV...

It sometimes seems that the vast majority of posts on this site, revolve people's perception of what The Villages is.

Is it a "Resort" or is it a "Community"

If you accept that it's a resort, short term rentals, people who don't know how to navigate roundabouts, folks wearing their pajamas to have dinner at a country club ... all those thing go with being a resort.

If you think The Villages is a community of retired folks, you might expect a higher degree of maturity, patience and decorum.

I suppose everyone is entitled to their own vision of the place they live.

One or two members of ToTV have stated that they had previously rented retail space and that was the case...

And again, it is not unique to TV...

I've been to around 7 Buc-ees and the best brisket was at the ones that just opened. After a while it seems to be a big load of fat on a bun. I get gas and use the facilities, but not the food anymore.

Interesting. So far we have been happy but the stores we have gone to are on I 75 and I 95 and not opened that long.

Will keep getting the brisket until we decide we do not like it anymore.

Checked with my better half. Each time was Christmas Eve. Primo Steak House, Coastal Del Sol, and Blue Fin. Christmas Eve is a special time that should require someone to leave the baseball caps, shorts and tee shirts at home. The grand kids coming in frayed denim short shorts and tube tops, flip flops , overly exposed , would be a time for a wardrobe redo.

We have our Holiday Dinner Christmas Eve. Usually Chop House.

On Christmas Day, we do Chinese... It's "Tradition"...

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Prime 3 in Downtown Leesburg
 

Prime 3 in Downtown Leesburg has extraordinary service. Our meals were all prepared to our liking and plated with great care. The wine list was decent. I’m surprised no one else has mentioned this place!

Yes it is. We were very surprised the old mill playhouse was closed on Christmas day as that is the other part of our tradition.

Upscale...TheVillages??? hang on this is hilarious... there are none in the bubble, however I can tell you that if you go 30 minutes north of here to Ocala there is an excellent french restaurant La Cuisine. Top notch. WEC is a bit over priced but very upscale. both need reservations.

as for the village restuarant ratings group, keep in mind the closer to done you get so do your taste buds..... IMHO those reviews are highly lacking

Memories of A Christmas Story, when they order the roast duck!

Had the same experience 2-3 weeks ago at Rose. Had been there twice before and will not go back. Waitress seemed to not know the menu.

Seen this on Norwegian and Holland also. Reminds me of dress code at TV golf courses where men can wear jeans.

Since there are no upscale golf courses here, what's your point? Everybody wears shorts anyway until it gets below 40.

In hot weather who would wear anything but shorts here?

Long pants
 

they made me take off my shorts and put on a pair of long pants which they supplied new