[Taltarzac725]

Anyone meet a great lawyer when you were in Jury Duty, in law school or some other school setting, in a book signing setting or some other place?

I had seen Irving Younger along with Walter Mondale a some speech while I was at the University of Minnesota Law School but never got a chance to take one of his courses as he unfortunately based away before I could do so.

He has a lot of very useful videos still out there on courtroom advocacy. Not sure if you can still see them online. The Federal Rules of Evidence - Part 1 - YouTube Irving Younger's 10 Commandments Of Cross Examination at UC Hastings College Of The Law - YouTube Irving Younger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

One of my classmates seems to have became a great Immigration Lawyer in San Francisco but she always was incredibly charming and bright.

Then there was a lawyer in one of my Legal Assistance to Minnesota Prisoner's cases who was defending the employer (sort of) of the person who were assisting. He came from one of the large law firms in the Twin Cities and did have a brilliant legal brief. Our client got off but I felt very sorry for his many victims.

I met Mills Lane who used to play bridge with my parents in Reno, Nevada but he did not seem like a brilliant lawyer but was very effective and did well in the TV judge circuit as well as a referee for some of the professional boxing bouts like the one between Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield. The one with the chomped ear.

In the five Jury Duty Summons I have received, I always got bumped for some reason or another. So I never got to see the lawyer in action.

I was doing some research about a friend and located a lawyer who had won 29 cases in a row as of 2011. Not sure if this streak has been broken yet but I could see the fear of the lawyers who might have to go up against him in the article I read. This man defends doctors against medical malpractice among other things. Big time defense lawyer for medical insurance companies in other words.

I do not remember any of my other law school professors as being great lawyers. They were good law professors for the most part.

[Two Bills]

I was on two weeks jury service many years ago, and from that experience, I determined that should I get into trouble I would defend myself.
They were pathetic. One of them never got the name of his client right.
Apart from two obvious cases we found the rest not guilty on the grounds that the defence was bl**dy atrocious!

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

I was on two weeks jury service many years ago, and from that experience, I determined that should I get into trouble I would defend myself.
They were pathetic. One of them never got the name of his client right.
Apart from two obvious cases we found the rest not guilty on the grounds that the defence was bl**dy atrocious!

I have met some lawyers who leave a lot to be desired.

[Taltarzac725]

I do recommend highly Irving Younger's materials on various places on the Internet if you have an interest in the law and how it is practiced. 9 pigeon holes - Irving Younger - YouTube

From what I heard he was a great law professor. I had someone else who was OK and he even stuck up for me when I was starting my 224 613 Project at the U of MN Law Library/School in the early months of 1991. Not sure how Professor Irving Younger would have taken my 224 613 Project. It is about making the law a lot more accessible to lay people-- in my Project's case-- survivors and victims of crimes, their families, friends, and the like. It was not very popular among some. Thus the struggle it has been these past 25.75 years.

Younger's wife taught at the Law School and she was OK. I believe that is why he wanted to teach -- to be around Judith Younger.

[DeanFL]

Great Lawyer. Oxy Moron.

And that's not his name.

Did you know that 99% of the attorneys give the rest a bad name???

[John_W]

Before Court TV became True TV we probably watched at least 50 trials live. The OJ Trial was broadcast on the networks and it seemed so haphazard I never could watch it.

A couple of years later on Court TV I watched the Ray Lewis trial, all 3 weeks from start to finish and I think that got me hooked. Probably next was the Ted Binion trial in Las Vegas, he owned the Horseshoe Casino and was bumped off by his girlfriend and her real boyfriend. Then came the Scott Peterson trial. There was so much evidence against him, it was the closet to a slam dunk.

I grew up a fan of Perry Mason, I own a couple of seasons on DVD. We love courtroom type shows and movies, one of our favorites is 'Jagged Edge' from the mid 80's. My wife has read over 500 true crime books, she got started in the 60's with In Cold Blood. So were both fans of the ID Channel (Investigation Discovery) and all the associated reality shows like 48 Hours, 20/20 and Dateline.

I once belonged to a union that had F. Lee Bailey as it's president. That was PATCO, he helped setup and form the Air Traffic Controllers union back in '68-69. I met him one time, he knew his stuff and he was an experienced pilot.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Originally Posted by John_W

Before Court TV became True TV we probably watched at least 50 trials live. The OJ Trial was broadcast on the networks and it seemed so haphazard I never could watch it.

A couple of years later on Court TV I watched the Ray Lewis trial, all 3 weeks from start to finish and I think that got me hooked. Probably next was the Ted Binion trial in Las Vegas, he owned the Horseshoe Casino and was bumped off by his girlfriend and her real boyfriend. Then came the Scott Peterson trial. There was so much evidence against him, it was the closet to a slam dunk.

I grew up a fan of Perry Mason, I own a couple of seasons on DVD. We love courtroom type shows and movies, one of our favorites is 'Jagged Edge' from the mid 80's. My wife has read over 500 true crime books, she got started in the 60's with In Cold Blood. So were both fans of the ID Channel (Investigation Discovery) and all the associated reality shows like 48 Hours, 20/20 and Dateline.

I once belonged to a union that had F. Lee Bailey as it's president. That was PATCO, he helped setup and form the Air Traffic Controllers union back in '68-69. I met him one time, he knew his stuff and he was an experienced pilot.

I wonder if F. Lee advised PATCO to go on strike in '81. If so, he not only helped found it, he helped dismantle it.

[John_W]

Originally Posted by Rapscallion St Croix

I wonder if F. Lee advised PATCO to go on strike in '81. If so, he not only helped found it, he helped dismantle it.

No, he stepped down in 1970 when the controllers went on a sick out. He knew as an officer of the court, he could not be associated with any sort of job action that could be construed as illegal. The strike came 11 years later and the President of PATCO at that time was Bob Poli, now deceased. This is all available online. You seem to shot from the hip a lot, I noticed that yesterday in your attempt to smear a Florida State player who was doing a good deed.

[Rosie1950]

I just read about a young man who was convicted on 3 felonies involving rape and left jail today after serving 3 months for drugging and raping a coed at Stanford U. He MUST have had a great lawyer! OH no wait STUPID JUDGE!

Then today the two felons who were caught red handed breaking into homes in the Village of Winifred walked out of the court house one Mr. Wonderful got probation and the Other Mr Wonderful had his charges dropped. Wow great lawyer! Oh no wait STUPID JUDGE! Those two should be uninvited to our country and sent packing back to Poland.

So I got nothing only know about STUPID JUDGES.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Rosie1950

I just read about a young man who was convicted on 3 felonies involving rape and left jail today after serving 3 months for drugging and raping a coed at Stanford U. He MUST have had a great lawyer! OH no wait STUPID JUDGE!

Then today the two felons who were caught red handed breaking into homes in the Village of Winifred walked out of the court house one Mr. Wonderful got probation and the Other Mr Wonderful had his charges dropped. Wow great lawyer! Oh no wait STUPID JUDGE! Those two should be uninvited to our country and sent packing back to Poland.

So I got nothing only know about STUPID JUDGES.

That's not a great lawyer. Nor probably a stupid judge. Might have depended on the evidence and the law applied to it. Often depends on what the jury finds too.

People v. Turner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[CWGUY]

Originally Posted by John_W

No, he stepped down in 1970 when the controllers went on a sick out. He knew as an officer of the court, he could not be associated with any sort of job action that could be construed as illegal. The strike came 11 years later and the President of PATCO at that time was Bob Poli, now deceased. This is all available online. You seem to shot from the hip a lot, I noticed that yesterday in your attempt to smear a Florida State player who was doing a good deed.

Thank you!

[Rosie1950]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

That's not a great lawyer. Nor probably a stupid judge. Might have depended on the evidence and the law applied to it. Often depends on what the jury finds too.

People v. Turner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Only if it wasn't your daughter raped OR your house robbed, either way not great days for court. Rapist was found GUILTY he was pulled off the young lady by two other students, but no worries the judge no longer wants to hear criminal cases.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Rosie1950

Only if it wasn't your daughter raped OR your house robbed, either way not great days for court. Rapist was found GUILTY he was pulled off the young lady by two other students, but no worries the judge no longer wants to hear criminal cases.

Actually in those kind of cases, they often would ask someone who knew the victim in such a case not to be a juror, judge, or have any say in the matter.

I do believe a lot more empathy needs to be taught lawyers, judges and jurors.