[graciegirl]

So as to avoid the terrible complication of having tenants who would start a meth lab?

How could you research their background to have some idea if they are decent and above board?

I would guess this would happen in long term rentals more than short term ones.

Can you write a rental agreement that excludes certain aged people and if you could would it help?

Can you write a rental agreement that excludes felons and other law breakers?

Just what is it legal to do?

This is all just because I am wondering. I don't have a rental property, but it appears that renting now has new dangers that I never thought of.

[gustavo]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

So as to avoid the terrible complication of having tenants who would start a meth lab?

How could you research their background to have some idea if they are decent and above board?

I would guess this would happen in long term rentals more than short term ones.

Can you write a rental agreement that excludes certain aged people and if you could would it help?

Can you write a rental agreement that excludes felons and other law breakers?

Just what is it legal to do?

This is all just because I am wondering. I don't have a rental property, but it appears that renting now has new dangers that I never thought of.

Most standard rental agreement templates have the clauses that you can't be committing crimes during the rental, but all that does is give the landlord the right to terminate the agreement. If the landlord wants to claim damage, it's usually limited to the security deposit. Not near the amount necessary to right the situation as described in the Lynnhaven incident.

[bkcunningham1]

Gracie, I understand trying to protect yourself and your property. But suppose you do everything possible including background checks and the people you rent to haven't been arrested before. Keep supposing that they meet every requirement on your lease and they turn out to be drug dealers and start cooking meth in your garage?

The thing is, you don't want to let it get to the rental agreement part. You have every right to request background checks, credit reports, references, check with the potential renter's employer to see if they have a job and their income et al. If they pass all of these tests and they are scumbags, you will still get stuck with scumbag renters.

[cquick]

Well, I certainly wouldn't rent to kids in their 20's in TV.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by cquick

Well, I certainly wouldn't rent to kids in their 20's in TV.

Can you do that even if you wanted to??

[ohhappyday]

I guess that was my main question as well...why rent to a 24 and 36 year old in a retirement community? Plenty of older adults looking to rent. Of course the report I read didn't state they were renting just assuming. I'm sure the tips came from neighbors. The mug shots sure spoke volumes.

Oh but I do have to amend this because where we used to live the homeowner rented to a nice women and a large group moved in and trashed the house...the only time she got wind of this was when the entire street was getting ready to take her to court. Soooo...with that said....the homeowner may not have rented to kids.

[bkcunningham1]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Can you do that even if you wanted to??

The rules say 19 and over. So, I don't see why not.

[Patty55]

Well, for starters if they looked like those two crack heads and gave a Probation Officer as a reference I'd tell them it was already rented.

I kind of think this was an isolated incident and let's not forget it was caught in a week.

[batman911]

I doubt that Meth Heads really care about what your rental contract says or if they forfeit their deposit. They will do what they do until the law shows up to take them away. In most cases, they are probably using stolen ID so you may be checking on a different persons records.

[Skybo]

Originally Posted by cquick

Well, I certainly wouldn't rent to kids in their 20's in TV.

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Can you do that even if you wanted to??

I don’t know for a fact Bogie, but I believe that homeowners in an age-restricted community can legally require their renters to be 55+. The HOPA requirements (80% of homes with one occupant 55+) are the minimum requirements for a community to maintain their HOPA status. But each community can enact more stringent rules. For instance a community may require that 100% of the homes are occupied by one person 55+ or they could require that every resident be 55+. So it seems logical to me that an individual homeowner in The Villages could refuse to rent to someone under 55, without running afoul of age discrimination laws. In fact, in the unlikely event that the ratio of 55+ in TV were to ever get close to dipping below the 80% rule, The Villages might actually require homeowners to ensure that at least on renter is 55+...otherwise TV could lose their HOPA status.

[casita37]

The report I read called the 61 year old home owner a "good samaritan" and said she was "giving" them a place to live. I thought maybe they were living with her, not renting from her. It wasn't very clear.

[OpusX1]

A Landlord may not discriminate for any reason because of age, race, familia status, religion, handicap, or sex. You must treat all applications the same, ie same deposit, same credit checks etc. If you don't and get checked by a checker you stand a good chance of losing the property and possibly much more. So any person over 19 years and 1 day may in fact live here up to the percentage required by law. It is the Landlords responsibility to treat every applicant exactly the same. The Fair Housing people do use checkers and set up stings, by sending multiple applicants to apply for the same property. It is also the Landlords responsibility to collect and pay sales tax if the property is rented for less than six months and 1 day.

[tv2016]

There are exemptions to the fair housing act. A landlord who rents three or fewer single-family homes is exempt.

[Skybo]

Originally Posted by OpusX1

A Landlord may not discriminate for any reason because of age, race, familia status, religion, handicap, or sex.

Yes, that is a quote from the Federal Fair Housing Act. However, federally qualified age-restricted/adult/senior/55+ ... whatever you want to call them communities are exempt from the age and familial status discrimination portion of the Fair Housing Act via the Housing for Older Persons Act (HOPA).

HOPA does not require The Villages or any other HOPA-qualified community to sell or rent to anyone under the age of 55. Qualified communities can require every single resident in every home to be 55+ if they want to. They can require every resident in every home to be 60+ if they want to. The only requirement (with regard to this discussion) is that a minimum of 80% of the homes within the community be occupied by at least one person 55 or older. What is required of the other residents in each home or with the other 20% of the homes is a “policy” decision made by the owner/developer/HOA ... whomever is in charge of writing policies for that community.

The last community I lived in required 100% of the homes be occupied by one person who was at least 55, including homes that were rented out.

I haven’t yet found sources that specifically address what we are talking about here (an individual homeowner’s rights/requirements) when it comes to renting out their home in a community such as TV, which (currently) allows residents under 55. I may be wrong, but based on my own research and personal experience, I believe that a homeowner in The Villages can require their renters to be of a certain age...as long as that is their policy for everyone and isn’t used as a means to discriminate for other reasons.

[OpusX1]

The Villages as far as I know have no rental restrictions. We do not have A Hoa per say and we do have the precedent of selling/renting to persons under 55 with no one in the household being 55. If you get involved in a Fair housing problem you better have deep pockets and a very good attorney. Just do a search on fair housing.
I know of one case in Ohio of a lady that has a $75,000.00 judgement because she suggested that a handicapped person would be better off in the downstairs unit of a duplex she has rented for years because they applied for the upstairs unit. The checkers are the only form of legal entrapment that I know of.
We owned and operated a B & B for 22 years, just 3 rooms, and I know of at least 4 times we had checkers drop in. I could be wrong but I am not risking my property. I also know of 3 Landlords here that do not charge sales tax and I know the state is auditing Landlords for past due tax. The tenant is not responsible to pay the sales tax if the Landlord is audited the Landlord is.