Originally Posted by TheVillageChicken (Post 1070097)

Alternately, one could say that Bruce Jenner is a ghoulish, self-promoting freak who decided it would be to his advantage to transition from a butt ugly male victim of botched plastic surgery to a butt ugly female impersonator...a role where caricature is the norm.

Originally Posted by TheVillageChicken (Post 1070175)

In order to be discriminatory, one has to take action, not express opinions. I am not in any position to discriminate. I don't hire people, am not a landlord, provide no services, don't decide who lives or dies, etc. If you mean to say that I am prejudiced, then, yes, I am, as are all humans. As far as I can determine, I have the right to have prejudices and the right to opine...strongly if I choose.

Originally Posted by Mudder (Post 1070052)

It's an award for athletes who have shown courage. As an athlete Jenner has done what few others have been able to do. Having been known as a great athlete all his life, but yet to have the inner struggle of feeling like being in the wrong body was not easy. To feel like a fraud for his whole life is very stressful. Transgender people are at a point now where gays were about 20 years ago......and look how far the world has come in acceptance. Hopefully trans people will enjoy that same acceptance. People, it's not about sex, it's about their inner soul. I honestly don't know if Caitlyn Jenner deserves the award this year, and she certainly doesn't need or really want money. She just wants to live her authentic life. Until you walk in someone's shoes you really have no right to make judgements.

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1070291)

Wikipedia doesn't agree with your definition of discrimination:

"Discrimination is treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit .... Not all discrimination is based on prejudice".

I'm not a goody two-shoes, but I think discrimination or prejudice or bigotry is wrong, and you think prejudice is OK.

Not everyone has the same point of view. Peace.



There is a term in the business community referred to as discriminating fairly to explain the rationale for different pricing of a product for different subsets people etc. This is a simplistic definition but serves the purpose



On a personal note I believe that a small number of people discriminate solely based on color creed or gender. I believe that more people discriminate because of the actions of others. For example when you see or hear of Thomas Sowell vis a vis Snoop Dog what crosses your mind? and if you include Enemein ( white rapper) does your opinion change as respect Snoop Dog. it probably won't if you do not like rap.



I would vote for Thomas Sowell as president in a New York second not only for his great accomplishments but because of his manner in which he dealt with adversity.



Johnny Mathias one of the best singers ever to perform on a stage is homosexual. He handled his life in a dignified manner or at least had the sense to contain any bad publicity. Compare his actions to Bruce Jenner's



I played golf with and have worked out along side homosexuals in this community. They have handled themselves in a dignified and respectable manner and I have responded in kind. The LGBT issue is a complex one. There is only one certainty for me. I simply want this nation to continue the definition of marriage as being between one man and one woman. It can be done without discriminating against anyone and it will prevent a pandora's box being opened for every conceivable demands made by unreasonable and irrational people

Originally Posted by plrbr1120 (Post 1070379)

Should get the Darwin award.

Originally Posted by TheVillageChicken (Post 1072153)

I have read a lot of opinions that state that if Bruce Jenner thinks he is a woman, then he is a woman. I have struggled with this and due to my engineering background, I had to develop some tests in order to form my own opinion.

1. I am on the Titanic. After the Captain announces "Women and Children First", he then announces "If there are no more women or children, the oldest males may board the life rafts." Bruce Jenner comes and cuts in front of me and says, "Not so fast, old man." Do I defer?

2. I am in a waiting room. All the seats are taken. Bruce walks in. Do I offer him my seat?

3. I am playing golf with Bruce for money. He insists on using the ladies tee boxes. Do I agree?

Based on my scientific studies, I am no longer on the fence.

Originally Posted by DougB (Post 1072163)

You and Bruce both get sentenced to prison. Big inmate named Catfish says he needs a new lover, do you defer to Bruce?

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1073156)

I didn't care for the past 70 odd years whether the guy next to me was anything other than what we all, for the most part, look and act like in every day life.

What is currently annoying is the insistence and the in everybody's face what the non conformists (trying to be polite) want or think we should do about and for them.

I frankly am tired of hearing about it and seeing it every single day. This does not mean anything more than tired of having it in my face every single day.

Originally Posted by TheVillageChicken (Post 1069528)

Bruce Jenner to be awarded the Courage Award by ESPN for changing his gender.

Caitlyn Jenner, Bruce's new persona, excitedly wrote on Twitter “What the hell am I going to wear?” when it was announced that the reality star was to be honored at next month’s ESPY’s with the Arthur Ashe Award for Courage.

Here are a couple of folks who apparently were not considered as worthy.

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...71&oe=55F6E009


Lauren Hill, the 19-year-old Mount St. Joseph basketball player who courageously battled brain cancer while staying on the university team didn't get squat. She lost her fight against cancer on April 10.

MIND BOGGLING!

I'm pretty рissed off at the moment.

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1073156)

I didn't care for the past 70 odd years whether the guy next to me was anything other than what we all, for the most part, look and act like in every day life.

What is currently annoying is the insistence and the in everybody's face what the non conformists (trying to be polite) want or think we should do about and for them.

I frankly am tired of hearing about it and seeing it every single day. This does not mean anything more than tired of having it in my face every single day.

Originally Posted by Mudder (Post 1070052)

It's an award for athletes who have shown courage. As an athlete Jenner has done what few others have been able to do. Having been known as a great athlete all his life, but yet to have the inner struggle of feeling like being in the wrong body was not easy. To feel like a fraud for his whole life is very stressful. Transgender people are at a point now where gays were about 20 years ago......and look how far the world has come in acceptance. Hopefully trans people will enjoy that same acceptance. People, it's not about sex, it's about their inner soul. I honestly don't know if Caitlyn Jenner deserves the award this year, and she certainly doesn't need or really want money. She just wants to live her authentic life.

Until you walk in someone's shoes you really have no right to make judgements.

Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1073207)

Make that 55 posts.
I think it is very true -- ”Until you walk in someone's shoes, you really have no right to make judgements".

Originally Posted by DougB (Post 1073187)

Almost 2200 hits and 54 posts on a thread about a subject everyone is tired of hearing about everyday?

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1073216)

I don't know anyone personally who has wanted to be another gender. I think few have known others who have wanted to be another gender. That is the reason the whole issue is troubling and emotionally charged. I think that not his angst is in question, but why he chose to not do it more privately.

Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1073367)

Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1073367)

Originally Posted by DougB (Post 1073399)

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1073216)

I don't know anyone personally who has wanted to be another gender. I think few have known others who have wanted to be another gender. That is the reason the whole issue is troubling and emotionally charged. I think that not his angst is in question, but why he chose to not do it more privately.

People have instinctive reactions on a lot of levels toward others sexual behavior in public. I think that this is kind of like that.

I know a lot of gay people and I may know a lot of cross dressers, but if I do, I don't know WHO they are. I have known males who act feminine and females who act masculine.

Most of us are comfortable in our own sexuality and our partners, but even our kids may be uncomfortable about knowing or hearing of ours and we may not want to know too much about theirs.

It seems to be instinctive to choose our partner and have sex privately.

I am not making sense, even to me. So I guess I will stop typing.

I do understand that his gender change may be troubling and confusing to a lot of people and it seems to engender a lot more reaction from males.

It is because most of us cannot understand at all personally or from personal relationships what has happened to him and why he has made these choices. We are not bad for being confused or unable to make sense of it.

Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1073476)

I wonder if the fact that you have not ever known someone who wanted to switch genders is because they were afraid to take the step, knowing the social problems it would cause (evidenced by this thread). Just as in the past gays were afraid to come out of the closet for many reasons. As far as you wishing he would do it more privately, Gracie... he doesn't have the luxury of privacy. He is a famous person constantly followed by reporters and photographers, and he does not have the ability to live a private life. If I were in that position, I know I would be outed anyway, so why not use my situation to engender more understanding/education of the public. Bring the topic to the forefront and develop more awareness. That is what gays did.

I think it is a brave thing that he has done. I don't think it is publicity mongering. I cannot imagine making such an abrupt change in my lifestyle and trying to keep it private when my life as a celebrity is already so public. And I applaud him for his bravery, and his son for defending him. Live and let live. How is what he has chosen to do going to hurt anyone?

Originally Posted by Mudder (Post 1070052)

It's an award for athletes who have shown courage. As an athlete Jenner has done what few others have been able to do. Having been known as a great athlete all his life, but yet to have the inner struggle of feeling like being in the wrong body was not easy. To feel like a fraud for his whole life is very stressful. Transgender people are at a point now where gays were about 20 years ago......and look how far the world has come in acceptance. Hopefully trans people will enjoy that same acceptance. People, it's not about sex, it's about their inner soul. I honestly don't know if Caitlyn Jenner deserves the award this year, and she certainly doesn't need or really want money. She just wants to live her authentic life. Until you walk in someone's shoes you really have no right to make judgements.

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast (Post 1073559)

Well maybe it's just me and the assumed low IQ we "bigots" are told makes us so stupid.

But I'm still trying to figure out how Bruce got a Y chromosome replaced wth an X chromosome, to truly become a woman.

One thing is pretty certain, though. He does have the millions to buy all this surgery, hormonal treatments for life, and custom tailoring to make designer clothes/costumes that fit..... earned from the price of admission people are paying to see this circus side show, like they wanted to see the fat lady or the midget.

As P. T. Barnum so aptly stated, "There's a sucker born every minute."

And Caitlyn's cashing in under the Big Top.

Originally Posted by mickey100 (Post 1073500)

Unfortunately, this was one of the few posts that wasn't nasty, narrow minded, or mean spirited. Sad.

Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1073605)

Narrow minded = there are rules
Open minded = there are no rules

Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1073611)

Dictionary Definitions

Narrow-minded | Define Narrow-minded at Dictionary.com

dictionary.reference.com/browse/narrow-minded
having or showing a prejudiced mind, as persons or opinions; biased. 2. not receptive to new ideas; having a closed mind.

Open-minded | Define Open-minded at Dictionary.com

dictionary.reference.com/browse/open-minded
having or showing a mind receptive to new ideas or arguments. 2. unprejudiced; unbigoted; impartial.

Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1073705)

So, if I'm correct, an open minded "individual" is receptive to new ideas but is not allowed to disagree with them because logically if that person were to disagree then he would no longer be open minded but rather closed minded. Basically, open minds = let the flood gates open to any and all perversion, their is no absolute truth, let individuals do whatever so forth and so on. Excellent way to maintain an orderly society.