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outlaw 09-27-2015 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1119550)
At least. At 4x/week = 208 rounds/year, given 22 weeks of summer rate, 13 weeks of fall rate and 17 weeks of winter rates, and playing equally on all 12 courses, you get to 522.35/month. That is the priority rate, resident rate would be 1980 more/year or 165/ month, but I doubt anyone would do that---just figure 925/year=77.08/month for priority membership. That's 599.43 month for greens fees for 1 person.
But.....
are you married, does your spouse play--4x, 3x,1x?
if spouse plays: 1x------730.01/ month total greens fees and priority mem
2x------860.59
3x------991.17
4x------1121.75

If you don't own a cart, which is unlikely, add 2080---4160/ year cart rental depending on spouse play, so split it at 2x week=3120/year=260/month
Assuming you own your cart, what percentage of use is for golf vs transportation around TV. How much did it cost, what's the depreciation? What's it's lifespan---Let's say you bought new for a very reasonable 10K(LOL) and it "lives" 10 years--add 1,000/year , say 500 for golf use=41.67/month
Now a single golfer 4x/week = 641.10/ month and with a spouse also playing 4x/week =1163.42/ month

Now add investment in clubs and bag
How many of the 6 million/year lost golf balls each year in TV are yours
How long does your glove last?
Re-grip clubs yearly?
Lessons from a pro?
Range balls?
And for many, cost to fill cart cooler with beer
And for some, cost of psychotherapy to help deal with the game

Not cheap, especially for those on a marginal fixed income or for millennials
But still cheaper than say skiing 4x/week year round on say 12 different mountains. Cheaper than yachting. Much more expensive than shuffleboard

You forgot the $700,000 for the house you bought to become a resident so you could buy the membership. Now I really feel sick....

golfing eagles 09-27-2015 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1120171)
You forgot the $700,000 for the house you bought to become a resident so you could buy the membership. Now I really feel sick....

Gee, thanks. Now that you reminded me of what my house cost, I'm sick as well....at least it was a bit under 700K, but then again, by the same premise, we should add the bond in as well :cryin2:

outlaw 09-27-2015 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1120174)
Gee, thanks. Now that you reminded me of what my house cost, I'm sick as well....at least it was a bit under 700K, but then again, by the same premise, we should add the bond in as well :cryin2:

Not to mention the $500 golf cart speeding tickets you get trying to make your tee time....

TrudyM 09-28-2015 10:53 AM

People in their 20's and 30's work too much
 
I read somewhere that young people today average a 50 hour work week. If you add in the cost of play and time for family and other things they just don't have a lot of time. My son and his friends work 10 to 12 hour days 5 days a week and sometimes a half day on Sat. That doesn't leave time for a life let alone golf. He has clubs etc but makes it out only about 6 times a year. You don't really get into the game if you only play on vacation. Plus I think the guys in marriages now share the child rearing more than in the past as a lot of women work so no off with the guys playing golf every Sunday as was the norm when I was young.

tomwed 09-28-2015 02:48 PM

I always thought they were called executive course because executives don't have much time.

I thought these would catch on all over.

Maybe if there were professional executive course golfers [PEGA] then maybe exec courses would catch on. Make the greens very small. Make the rough very long. Fit 4 exec courses in the space of an 18 reg course.

graciegirl 09-28-2015 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TrudyM (Post 1120952)
I read somewhere that young people today average a 50 hour work week. If you add in the cost of play and time for family and other things they just don't have a lot of time. My son and his friends work 10 to 12 hour days 5 days a week and sometimes a half day on Sat. That doesn't leave time for a life let alone golf. He has clubs etc but makes it out only about 6 times a year. You don't really get into the game if you only play on vacation. Plus I think the guys in marriages now share the child rearing more than in the past as a lot of women work so no off with the guys playing golf every Sunday as was the norm when I was young.



All true. I am glad I got to live during the time when ladies and gentlemen played golf. And tennis. Living here is so nice. I think most people feel like the really rich used to feel.

golfing eagles 09-28-2015 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1121133)
All true. I am glad I got to live during the time when ladies and gentlemen played golf. And tennis. Living here is so nice. I think most people feel like the really rich used to feel.

My new conclusion GG-----as long as you and I are alive, golf won't die. You, I and about a zillion others who posted on this thread.

dewilson58 09-28-2015 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 1118896)
According to The National Golf Foundation, a Jupiter, Fla. consulting firm, Generation Y (18-34 year olds) played 6.4 million rounds of golf in 2014. This is one-third less than 20 years ago.

Does this mean that golf is "dying" in America? It sure sounds like it.

No .

pjwenz 12-14-2015 08:02 AM

There are to many golf courses in the U.S. I herd a report that t a huge number close every day. I read an article that stated Jack Nicklous does not have one course under design in the U.S., the same for Gary Player. Most course design is focused in Asia and other countries. Country clubs are offering special incentives to younger people to try and attract members.

yabbadu 12-14-2015 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by applesoffh (Post 1118991)
For many young people, golf is just too expensive. They can't afford houses, rents in major cities are out of sight and they've got student loans to pay off. Not every municipality offers public courses, and golf club memberships often require a hefty bond. I think it's really a matter of economics. Maybe when they reach their late 40s early 50s, it will be different.

Agree...:bigbow:


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