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Old 05-25-2019, 11:04 AM
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Me too.

The movie First Man was about Neil Armstrong and how his immediate family dealt with uncertainty and the danger of space travel. Thought it was extremely well done and in no way boring.
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"Chazelle himself also released a statement, insisting the omitting of the planting of the U.S. flag had nothing to do with politics."

That is the passive-aggressive part.

Now we all realize that the story is about Neil Armstrong and what he and his family went through. But planting the American Flag on the moon is a significant part of that story. It is like showing a picture of Paris with the Arc de Tromp or the Eiffel Tower edited out of it.
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Old 05-25-2019, 11:34 AM
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"Chazelle himself also released a statement, insisting the omitting of the planting of the U.S. flag had nothing to do with politics."

That is the passive-aggressive part.

Now we all realize that the story is about Neil Armstrong and what he and his family went through. But planting the American Flag on the moon is a significant part of that story. It is like showing a picture of Paris with the Arc de Tromp or the Eiffel Tower edited out of it.
Bad analogy.

Wish we could get back to the movie rather than the phony patriotism which often stirs up these kind of fights. The US Constitution is what represents the greatness of this country and not someone just waving some flag. And usually for ulterior motives.
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Bad analogy.

Wish we could get back to the movie rather than the phony patriotism which often stirs up these kind of fights. The US Constitution is what represents the greatness of this country and not someone just waving some flag. And usually for ulterior motives.
OK, how about when Peary planted the flag at the North Pole and Amundsen the Norwegian flag at the South Pole?

Who Was the First Person To Reach the North Pole? | UC Geography
Amundsen's South Pole expedition - Wikipedia

This has nothing to to with phony patriotism by flag waving. This has everything to do with recognizing an American accomplishment. The movie should have shown the US flag planted on the moon.
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Bad analogy.

Wish we could get back to the movie rather than the phony patriotism which often stirs up these kind of fights. The US Constitution is what represents the greatness of this country and not someone just waving some flag. And usually for ulterior motives.
Phony patriotism...really. I was brought up to always display the flag and when I was in the Navy we displayed flags whenever appropriate. I haven't seen anyone waving the Constitution. I also see people standing with hands over their hearts for God Bless American and Lee Greenwood as if those songs are our National Anthems....we have lost our direction on how we judge patriotism when the display of our flag can be construe our respect for our dilution of our National Anthem as phony patriotism. Also, I didn't view the movie incomplete because the flag wasn't displayed, it was about the personal sacrifices of the people, the risks taken by the people and the personal impacts....I didn't see it as a National story.
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The American flag is not a little matter and not showing it is not "nothing". The second man to set foot on the moon, Buzz Aldrin, would agree with that! The United States of America put the first man on the moon and deserves credit. To not show the American flag on the moon in the film is simply a sick attempt at passive aggressive historical inaccuracy, something Hollywood films are noted for. Buzz Aldrin slams '''First Man''' movie controversy, posts photos of US flag on moon with '''Proud to be American''' hashtag | Fox News
Except that it is actually shown on the moon in the film. If not showing " the American flag on the moon in the film is simply a sick attempt at passive aggressive historical inaccuracy", then what exactly is making a controversy by claiming it's not shown when it actually is? When I saw the film in the theater, some guy shouted out "WHERE'S THE FLAG?" in an angry tone about two second after Armstrong first stepped out onto the moon, well before Aldrin had come out of the capsule and well before they would have, together, planted the flag. When the flag appeared on the screen a few minutes later, I felt like shouting back, "THERE'S the flag, moron!" but though I would not disturb my fellow movie goers further.

The film centers around the experience of being the first man on the moon and is thus about Neil Armstrong. It's a character-driven movie, not the simplistic or jingoistic film about American exceptionalism that some folks wanted it to be. And the film is extremely accurate on the technical details. Compared to 99% of science fiction films, space travel here is shown laborious, slow, tedious and tiresome, punctuated by moments of sheer terror. But that's the way the technology was (and it hasn't improved all that much since then).

As a fan of character-driven films, I found this one quite good. As a space buff of long standing, I was thrilled. No film is for everybody though and your mileage may vary.
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I think more do not than do....at least below 466A
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Except that it is actually shown on the moon in the film. It's just that the film centers around the experience of being the first man on the moon and is thus about Neil Armstrong. It's a character-driven movie, not the simplistic or jingoistic film about American exceptionalism that some folks wanted it to be. When I saw it, some guy shouted out "Where's the flag?" in an angry tone about two second after Armstrong first stepped out onto the moon, well before Aldrin had come out of the capsule and well before they would have, together, planted the flag. When the flag appeared on the screen a few minutes later, I felt like shouting back, "THERE'S the flag, moron!" but though I would not disturb my fellow movie goers further.

And the film is extremely accurate on the technical details. Compared to 99% of science fiction films, the whole landing is laborious, slow, tedious and tiresome. But that's the way the technology was (and it hasn't improved all that much since then).

As a fan of character-driven films, I found this one quite good. As a space buff of long standing, I was thrilled. No film is for everybody though and your mileage may vary.
I had one of those "Where's the flag!" screamers when I saw it too. Good review of the movie, though.

I wish we could get back to the movie rather than all this current events oriented political crap.

Any one can wave a flag. It means next to NOTHING. That person may or may not believe in what makes this country great-- those are the ideals that are in the US Constitution.

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I had one of those "Where's the flag!" screamers when I saw it too. Good review of the movie, though.

I wish we could get back to the movie rather than all this current events oriented political crap.

Any one can wave a flag. It means next to NOTHING. That person may or may not believe in what makes this country great-- those are the ideals that are in the US Constitution.
I have not seen the movie, nor know nothing about the movie.

If you are correct and it was a movie about the man and the family, and not simply the landing on the moon, then I agree with you Tals. It is just lip service.

Patriotism is not the flag...that is much too easy. Patriotism is honor, truth and how a life is lived defending American values.

I also love films that delve into the characters, and I support the statement..."Anyone can wave a flag"...as I said that is simple to do and does not a patriot make. I will assume Jerry Bells statement about accuracy is ..well, accurate, and if so what do people want ?

Accuracy in the telling should preclude anything else.

Tals...about s this true from JerryLBells post......"When the flag appeared on the screen a few minutes later, I felt like shouting back, "THERE'S the flag, moron!" but though I would not disturb my fellow movie goers further." Of course I mean that it appeared and accurately was shown ?

If so, what's the problem.....faking it would be so much worse
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