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give them 6 months and they will be robbing a liquor store to support their crack habit. Only being facetious, but it can lead to no good in my opinion.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiRa7qrL5rY&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

That is both a great movie and a great point. :BigApplause:

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I hate smooth jazz - has anyone seen the type of people that like this crap? Most of them are overworked yet successful bastions of society. Imagine that they use this music just to relax? What's next? I'm going to boycott all establishments that dare to play this in my presence. I don't want to fall asleep prior to getting my double shot cappuccino!

Just being silly of course!

Someone on the previous page mentioned that they can remember the same stuff being said about R & R when it first came out and I agree. I don't like 'gangsta' rap but to say that it all sucks is just an opinion that is too broad. Rap has been around for going on 20 years and much of it is being worked into main stream 'rock' (check out Linkin Park for example).

Thanks. I was cruising the net and when I seen that video I automatically thought of this thread.

if you look back, "Give peace a chance" had a rap flavor to it. Not one of John Lennon's best songs but the middle eight was catchy.

Then there's the actual first rap song... "Big Bad John" by Jimmy Dean.

Can at least agree that the Music called Gangsta Rap is bad?

So much for it being a fad!!!... :) I'm not a big fan of rap, but then again, I wasn't a big fan of the stuff my son listened to when he was young. Fortunately for me, growing up, my parents loved rock and roll!

I remember my son asking me how I knew which Beatle was which.....lol. I could never understand what Billy Idol was so mad about!

Personally, I prefer a rap-free environment. I view rap as irritating noise pollution along with leaf blowers, honking horns and broken mufflers on vehicles. In fact I call it crap music. Check out the lyrics of popular rap tunes. Some rap lyrics advocate violent criminal acts such as rape, robbery and even murder and the killing of police officers (pigs in rap lingo) just for starters. Many lyrics are so luridly disgusting I will not even mention them here.

I am a bit too young to remember the discussions that took place in the 50's regarding rock music, but I bet if they had the internet and a discussion forum at the time, it would closely resemble the discussion here.

Just kind of funny because I am sure most of us vowed we would never be like our parents when we got older.

Plain and simple, its getto music.

As the group War sang in 1972 (I think looking for a place like The Villages)

Walkin' down the street, smoggy-eyed
Looking at the sky, starry-eyed
Searchin' for the place, weary-eyed
Crying in the night, teary-eyed

Don't you know that it's true
That for me and for you
The world is a ghetto



Wonder when I'll find paradise
Somewhere there's a home sweet and nice
Wonder if I'll find happiness
Never give it up now I guess

Don't you know that it's true
That for me and for you
The world is a ghetto

open mic......
 

though we are pretty diverse in our styles and tastes, there is little if any rap (except for Rapper's Delight, which we find vary amusing still) we can stand.
We even learned to appreciate some of out musician Son's eclectic Jazz until it got to be what we termed 'nervous music'


Many might consider the source of rap to be what you get when you leave an open mic in a psych ward.
This is how one of the 'Older Guys' (egad he musta been 45!!) at our workplace described our hard rock tunes on the radio in the late 60's

While it seemed a little outrageous to many at the time, that kinda music is now heard in elevators and the like!!

We cannot, though, imagine that much of what they call rap today will ever reach such universal status!!

L and L

I try to judege each song on its own merits and not by its genre although it took me a long time to accept rap music. It is OK not to like something (I dislike a lot of things) as long as you do not try to impose your personal likes and dislikes upon others. I refrain from joining or participating in any actiivities that have elements that I dislike. I do not try to mould them around my personal preferences.

I personally enjoy Christmas rap. :laugh:

Buffalo chicken raps aren't bad either!

Christmas 'Rap' poetry/song
 

I remember one christmas song that was very rap-esque in the day and found another for us bikers



‘Twas the night before Christmas, and all through the pad, Not a hipster was swinging, not even old Dad; The chimney was hung in the stocking routine, In hopes that “The Fat Man” would soon make the scene; The moon and the snow were, like, faking together, Which made the scene rock in the Day People weather, When, what to these peepers should come on real queer, But a real crazy sleigh, and eight swinging reindeer, As sidemen in combos pick up as they stomp, When they swing with the beat of a Dixieland romp, So up to the top of my bandstand they flew, With the sleigh full of loot, and St. Nicholas, too. His lids-Man, they sizzled! His dimples were smiles! His cheeks were like “Dizzy’s,” his break was like “Miles!” His puckered-up mouth was, like, blowing flat E, And his chin hid behind a real crazy goatee! He blew not a sound, but skipped right to his gig, And stashed all the stockings, then came on real big, And flashing a sign, like that old “Schnozzle” bit, And playing it hip, up the chimney he split; And then, in a quick riff, I dug on the roof, The jumpin’ and jivin’ of each swinging hoof. As I pulled in my noggin, and turned around fast, Down the chimney came Nick like a hot trumpet blast. The tip of a butt he had snagged in his choppers, And he took a few drags just like all cool be-boppers; He had a weird face, and a solid reet middle That bounced when he cracked, like a gutbucket fiddle! He was wrapped up to kill, Man, a real kookie dresser! And his rags were, like, way out! Pops! He was a gasser! A sack full of goodies hung down to his tail, And he looked like a postman with “Basie’s” fan mail. He was shaking with meat, meaning he was no square, And I flipped, ‘cause I’d always thought he was “longhair!” But the glint in his eye and the beat in his touch Soon gave me the message this cat was “too much!” He flew to his skids, to his group blew a lick, And they cut out real cool, on a wild frenzied kick. But I heard him sound off, with a razz-a-ma-tazz: “A cool Christmas to all, and , like all of that jazz!”



for the bikers:

Twas the night before Christmas, and all through the pad,
There was nada happenin', now thats pretty bad.
The woodstove was hung up in that stocking routine,
In hopes that the Fat Boy would soon make the scene.

With our stomachs packed with tacos and beer,
My girl and I crashed on the couch for some cheer.
When out in the yard there arose such a racket,
I ran for the door and pulled on my jacket.

I saw a large bro' on a '56 Pan
Wearin' black leathers, a cap, and boots (cool biker, man).
He hauled up the bars on that bikeful of sacks,
And that Pan hit the roof like it was running on tracks.

I couldn't help gawking, the old guy had class.
But I had to go in -- I was freezing my ass.
Down through the stovepipe he fell with a crash,
And out of the stove he came dragging his stash.

With a smile and some glee he passed out the loot,
A new jacket for her and some parts for my scoot.
He patted her fanny and shook my right hand,
Spun on his heel and up the stovepipe he ran.

From up on the roof came a great deal of thunder,
As that massive V-twin ripped the silence asunder.
With beard in the wind, he roared off in the night,
Shouting, "Have a cool Yule, and to all a good ride!"



L and L

Gee I remember my parents saying the same thing about Elvis

I am a Baby Boomer and my parents and all my friend's parents listened to rock and roll on the radio. This comparison to rap is bogus in my opinion.

If my dad was alive today he would be 93 and I don't remember him ever liking rock and roll or listening to it, at least on purpose. He hated rap ! Me, I am a boomer. I grew up on rock and roll and can tolerate any music. I don't go out and buy rap music but it certainly doesn't ruin my day to hear it.

I have really tried to wipe the dust from my foggy brain, but it seems to me that rock and roll was everywhere when I was growing up. When I went to friends homes it was on the radio. The afternoons after school. (remember Shindig and American Bandstand in the afternoons?)
My uncle was the one who introduced me to Little Richard and Elvis Presley. when I was a little tike.

The only protests that I remember were the one's blown out of shape with Elvis's appearance on Ed Sullivan.

I just cannot imagine Dick Clark's American Rap Bandstand:yuck:

Eeeek. I know I'm going to catch h**l for this. I do think many folks here are judging the entire genre based on the early, ugly, disgusting gangsta rap. As it has become big biz., much of it has gotten more mainstream sounding. I have heard some clever and catchy rap/hip hop that is good dance music and is not ugly, pounding, noise-sounding and disgusting.

My nieces and nephews love, absolutely love, the rock music I grew up with. I have learned to like, a little bit, some of the music they grew up with.

A lot of rap is horrible. Some of it isn't. Many people don't realize how much it has evolved. Some of it has gotten ok.

Please don't shoot me.

Pturner

I'm certain you have nothing to fear. Nobody on TOTV could get away with trying to lock and load on you. Your posts are consistently among my favorites.
I really have no quarrel with anyone who likes, or even tolerates rap or any other genre. For me, I can't get into music which has no discernible melody, at least to me. All I hear is very irritating noise with a rhythmic, monotonous beat.
You may hear something different.

Omg!!
 

Am I caught in a time warp version of the movie "Footloose????":loco:

Hmm I bet you not the only baby boomer here, HM don't you remember Alan Fried getting arrested for playing Rock and Roll. HM Don't you remember ministers calling Rock and Roll "The Devils Music".

BTW I am a big fan of Doo Wop (street corner music) which was the start of Rock and Roll and I do remember Rock's history.

Rap and early Rock similarities
 

I'm with you, MelZ, and everyone else who remembers our parents and other adults negative responses to early Rock. It even extended into the mid-60's when I joined my first Rock band. I remember distinctly my father saying something like "Why do you want to play that crap? It's just a lot of drums, loud guitars, and words you can't even understand!" Luckily for me, my Mom recognized that I was going to find a way to play it anyway, so she got my Dad to let me trade in my acoustic guitar (they approved of Folk Music) and get an electric. But many of the parents and other adults of that time, especially ones that were older, hated rock n roll as much as some of the posters here hate Rap. Not all of them, of course, but many. I'm also a big Doo Wop fan and hope to find some folks to sing with when we get to TV sometime early next year.

B.

Maybe so, but I remember it everywhere and it was more in the mainstream then rap will ever be.

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Some rap has awful lyrics but if you go on to You Tube and put in Christian Rap Songs you hear alot of wonderful lyrics.....I say if you don't like the music being played somewhere go somewhere else...There is so much here in The villages that I believe everyone can be Happy!!!!

Do you think that the Villages will start playing rap music through their speaker systems throughout the squares? That would be interesting.:D

I couldn't agree more....
 

I'm not a fan of rap either but if you listen some have great messages.Listen to Will Smith's Just The Two of Us.

Another thing to remember:

I think a lot of posters here don't get the difference between hip-hop and rap. I would bet that you actually like a lot of hip-hop even though some it is voiced rather than sung. Hip-hop has more of a dance beat.

I remember. I also remember my parents hating rock, initially.

When the Beatles were on Ed Sullivan, they said it was just loud noise and you couldn't understand the words. Now both my parents acknowledge that the Beatles wrote a lot of beautiful music. They even like a lot of 50s-70s music now. Go figure.

If you want to know about the start of RnR rent the movie "American Hot Wax" and get educated. BTW I am NOT a fan of Rap but I am a student of history.

Zumba's hip hop
 

Zumba's description is a cardio workout to international rhythms, predominantly Latin and it includes, reggaeton, hip hop, salsa, cha cha, meringue, samba, belly dance and African/Carribean beats. It's lively and dance music and, although I too don't appreciate a lot of profanity in music, I like fun beats and it definitely offers that. Staying current with music and sounds of the present helps you appreciate all that is offered in the now instead of dwelling in the past, which we sometimes glamorize. Although, I myself have an aversion to jazz and doo wop, I always appreciate a good artist or beat when I hear it and am sometimes surprised that my original aversion disappears. My first golf game stunk to high heaven and had I just quit after one time I would never have gone on to become less stinky. Besides, the Zumba Aqua class is free and offered by a volunteer who is trying to create a upbeat class that appeals to most people. I for one appreciate all the attempts by all the volunteers who teach free classes at the rec centers. It's saving me a bundle in gym costs.

I'm a blues guy, whether it be Mississippi Delta Blues, Chicago Blues, or any other style. I also love the rock and roll I grew up with...the Beatles, the Stones, Airplane, Janice, etc. The part or rap that I don't get is the way it objectifies and denigrates women. A lot of the music of the 60's had drug references so I guess I would be hypocritical to to put down rap for the same thing, but I just don't get the way rap music talks about women. Nor do I understand that when they play rap music that is advocating violence against women and calling them bitches and whores, half the people on the dance floor are women. The women I knew in the 60's would have marched up on stage and straightened out the disc jockey in a real big hurry.

With you on that!

I like all kinds of miusic but there are types I can only listen to for a short amount of time. Classical, heavy metal, cw and rap are the ones that come to mind.

Each generation grows up to a certain type of music. IMHO - If it pleasurable to someones brain is the reason why people like a particular brand of music.
I don't pretend to understand rap music but certain songs seem to have a beat.

As I got older, I tended to like the music of the preceding generation. I grew up in the rock and roll era and like the saloon singers, Sinatra, Bennett, Fitzgerald and Billy Eckstein. The big band era had great music and one would never convince someone from that era that any other music was better. I even like the songs of Gershwin, Porter, Berlin and Gus Kahn.

I guess that makes me an old fogey, (music wise), but I like the songs that had lyrics I could hear clearly. I guess having a slight hearing loss from rock and roll made me gravitate to the older music.

Tony Bennett is 80 years plus young and still sings great. Amazing.