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louisamay 12-17-2022 12:32 PM

Harry & Meghan
 
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Originally Posted by jparsoneau@aol.com (Post 2167315)
People always love to watch other peoples misery. Like watching a train wreck live you hate to see it but you just can’t turn away. I have no interest or no curiosity in any of them. I think they’re both very sad.

Many of us have similar issues though on a more modest scale and can relate to painful situations when a family does not circle the wagons in times of pain and crisis. I am really quite surprised that people are not more compassionate and understanding of what this couple went through...both in a very public way. Harry had no choice of the family he was born into but he did make a choice as to whether he wanted to put up with this family....anyone can see that this family is very cold and interested in self preservation at any cost. That is the sad part of this story.

louisamay 12-17-2022 12:54 PM

Harry & Meghan
 
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Originally Posted by Pennyt (Post 2167343)
I guess I have a different take on this. The media has hounded the Royal family to the point of death in the past. Harry's mother Diana, for example. Harry & Meghan knew their story would be told by the press no matter what they did.... whether they stayed silent (as many think they should) or whether they spoke out. Harry did not choose to be a Royal, but he grew up under the eyes of the media for every little thing he did and saw what happened to his mother as a young boy. That would be a difficult life to live in my book. Very little privacy. Harry & Meghan chose to tell their story themselves to have some control over the information that would have been told by strangers if they didn't. I can't fault them for that. If you don't want to watch them or read their stories, then simply don't do it. It costs you nothing to choose to watch something else. I think it was a pretty gutsy thing for them to do knowing the criticism they were going to get regardless.

Thanks for a well reasoned comment.
There is a very nice commentary about this on CNN..."Yes, Harry and Meghan aired grievances. But there’s another takeaway from their docuseries." by Sophie A Nelson, It is well worth the read.

And there is another point---if you cannot say something nice about someone, say nothing...but in this case, I think H and M had very compelling reasons to speak their truth..it is a form of survival for them. Very brave...

Taltarzac725 12-17-2022 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by louisamay (Post 2167359)
Thanks for a well reasoned comment.
There is a very nice commentary about this on CNN..."Yes, Harry and Meghan aired grievances. But there’s another takeaway from their docuseries." by Sophie A Nelson, It is well worth the read.

And there is another point---if you cannot say something nice about someone, say nothing...but in this case, I think H and M had very compelling reasons to speak their truth..it is a form of survival for them. Very brave...

Does show true grit to stand up to very influential people like that.

EastCoastDawg 12-17-2022 03:04 PM

I, for one, certainly don't believe that the $100 million they got from Netflix has in any way persuaded them to go public.

jimjamuser 12-17-2022 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2167113)
To me, they are like the Kardashians. I can't believe people really find them interesting in any way.

I can explain the WHY to a certain extent, but I believe the concept (like you implied) is a non-productive one. People go Ga-Ga, literally, for leaders and celebrities because of the millennia-old and DNA-embedded principles explained by TRIBALISM. Take the way-back machine to when humans were hunter-gatherers. Human tribes would have the (probably male) that had the highest combination of strength, skill, and intelligence be the LEADER of the hunting party. He would be the HEAD of a hunting group sneaking through the woods and savannas, probably single file, and make the group's DECISIONS about which direction to go in, how to avoid enemies and bigger animals, and when and where to try to make a kill.

Treating leaders like gods, famous people, celebrity worship, sports hero worship, and even something as simple as asking for an autograph - ALL tie back to TRIBALISM.

tophcfa 12-17-2022 09:24 PM

You don’t turn on family, period and end of story. If they were in the Soprano family, they would be worm food.

Pairadocs 12-17-2022 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 2167209)
I can't believe Briton still worships Royal Family Parasites in 2022. Inbred Charles was unemployed for 70 years and finally landed a job as head Royal Parasite of Briton. You would think Brits would not be so primitive by now. At least the Royal Parasite Harry is trying to earn money in the free market instead of living off the taxpayer using government gun-n-jail backed force. I guess the American taxpayer does pay for their armed security whilst they demand us peasants be disarmed.

I've always had similar thoughts, have visited a number of countries in G.B. several times, but realized the way one looks at various things is due to the cultural one is raised in. Had I been raised in G.B., perhaps I would think of "royalty" differently (meaning with more awe/reverence. THEN I realized, "we" (our culture) actually has our own system of creating an "elite" class, a type of monarch so to speak. We elevate our politicians to a special orbit of private jets, chefs, chauffeurs, private gyms, private trainers, barbers, beauticians, masseuses, multiple residences (like royalty), free world travel, access to the finest medical facilities the U.S. has to offer, medical insurance far beyond what even those retired from the most lucrative professions and jobs have, and the most generous vacation and retirement package ever conceived; so, in many ways we have our own form of monarchy "worship", and then we wonder why so few ever leave, only float from one elected position to another for 30, 40, 50 years ! Perhaps it's a psychological drive in us (the masses) to create a class to look "up to" ?

Caymus 12-18-2022 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by EastCoastDawg (Post 2167387)
I, for one, certainly don't believe that the $100 million they got from Netflix has in any way persuaded them to go public.

That much? About the cost of the first three seasons of Stranger Things combined.

JudyLife 12-18-2022 04:54 AM

It’s ‘Britain’ not ‘Briton’.

GizmoWhiskers 12-18-2022 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Arctic Fox (Post 2167110)
I can't wait for the next Harry & Meghan installment

I haven't slept so well for years

They are not getting one second of my time as that's one second I can't get back.

GizmoWhiskers 12-18-2022 06:49 AM

Amen to BoatRatKat's comment. Forgot to select copy.

GizmoWhiskers 12-18-2022 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by coconutmama (Post 2167236)
Well said. Apologies for ignorant opinions from those who are uninformed. If not a U.K. taxpayer it is not their business.

But I do find it embarrassing that yet another American divorcee is involved in the situation, particularly in such a disruptive manner.

As an American I find her actions outright disgusting and embarrassing. The acts of a spoiled actress spitting on the UK. I loved watching her act in "Suits" back in the day. Just goes to prove how easily humans can be tricked by the famous, who in the end, are for the most part empty shells used for propaganda and falsehood. Very few are actually worth anything.

Gunny2403 12-18-2022 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 2167209)
I can't believe Briton still worships Royal Family Parasites in 2022. Inbred Charles was unemployed for 70 years and finally landed a job as head Royal Parasite of Briton. You would think Brits would not be so primitive by now. At least the Royal Parasite Harry is trying to earn money in the free market instead of living off the taxpayer using government gun-n-jail backed force. I guess the American taxpayer does pay for their armed security whilst they demand us peasants be disarmed.

Mis-informed. Why post?

RiderOnTheStorm 12-18-2022 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Arctic Fox (Post 2167110)
I can't wait for the next Harry & Meghan installment

I haven't slept so well for years


Isn't the really disturbing part of this media story the number of people who are actually interested in it? Time for a few new hobbies.

asianthree 12-18-2022 10:33 AM

53 posters so far on love hate relationship of people who will never cross their path.

MorTech 12-18-2022 11:28 AM

I have been to Briton quite a few times in my life and it always freaked me out when Brits would refer to The Royal Parasite with the crown on it's head as "Queen Mum". At least Elizabeth had some class.

fcgiii 12-18-2022 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 2167479)
I've always had similar thoughts, have visited a number of countries in G.B. several times, but realized the way one looks at various things is due to the cultural one is raised in. Had I been raised in G.B., perhaps I would think of "royalty" differently (meaning with more awe/reverence. THEN I realized, "we" (our culture) actually has our own system of creating an "elite" class, a type of monarch so to speak. We elevate our politicians to a special orbit of private jets, chefs, chauffeurs, private gyms, private trainers, barbers, beauticians, masseuses, multiple residences (like royalty), free world travel, access to the finest medical facilities the U.S. has to offer, medical insurance far beyond what even those retired from the most lucrative professions and jobs have, and the most generous vacation and retirement package ever conceived; so, in many ways we have our own form of monarchy "worship", and then we wonder why so few ever leave, only float from one elected position to another for 30, 40, 50 years ! Perhaps it's a psychological drive in us (the masses) to create a class to look "up to" ?

Ah, the sweet gig of a congressman. what other job allows you to quit working at a job to go compete for a better one, but keep your pay and benefits? Take months off every year. Accept massive bribes and get rich by insider training. Skip going in to "work" any time you want.

Term limits.
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PugMom 12-18-2022 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2167167)
Finished, and not welcome in UK any more.
California is welcome to them.
Broke the golden rule of the highest to lowest.
Never disrespect family in public.

but now i am reading King Charles invited them to the coronation. are your papers saying this is true? from here it looks like harry/megan would want their own cameras there

Two Bills 12-18-2022 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2167636)
but now i am reading King Charles invited them to the coronation. are your papers saying this is true? from here it looks like harry/megan would want their own cameras there

Some of the papers have said that, but who knows if Charles has.
Maybe a matter of protocol.
I don't think general public will give them a very good reception!

SHIBUMI 12-18-2022 08:03 PM

Reality Comes to Light
 
The King and Queen are the equivalent of our Mickey and Minnie Mouse. They are paid well being the Number 1 Tourist attraction in England. They have no other functions. Harry evidently didn't want to be the next Goofy. Good for him. Good for Meghan. They are taking advantage of America's thirst for entertainment, thats our fault. They have shed light on the ridiculous royalty of England. Thats the new reality, show things for the way they really are.
The Magic Castle in England will lose its luster soon and its about time.

Two Bills 12-19-2022 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 2167590)
I have been to Briton quite a few times in my life and it always freaked me out when Brits would refer to The Royal Parasite with the crown on it's head as "Queen Mum". At least Elizabeth had some class.

I can do nothing to change your malignant, and certainly ignorant view of how our country is run, but as a courtesy, you could at least spell Britain correctly.
Thank you.

Two Bills 12-19-2022 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich Iwaszko (Post 2167699)
The King and Queen are the equivalent of our Mickey and Minnie Mouse. They are paid well being the Number 1 Tourist attraction in England. They have no other functions. Harry evidently didn't want to be the next Goofy. Good for him. Good for Meghan. They are taking advantage of America's thirst for entertainment, thats our fault. They have shed light on the ridiculous royalty of England. Thats the new reality, show things for the way they really are.
The Magic Castle in England will lose its luster soon and its about time.

:shrug:

ThirdOfFive 12-19-2022 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich Iwaszko (Post 2167699)
The King and Queen are the equivalent of our Mickey and Minnie Mouse. They are paid well being the Number 1 Tourist attraction in England. They have no other functions. Harry evidently didn't want to be the next Goofy. Good for him. Good for Meghan. They are taking advantage of America's thirst for entertainment, thats our fault. They have shed light on the ridiculous royalty of England. Thats the new reality, show things for the way they really are.
The Magic Castle in England will lose its luster soon and its about time.

Interesting take, though a bit misleading. Actually King Charles III has quite a few official duties. Though many of them are "with the advice" of this-or-that person or entity, many aren't. Here are just a few:

Serve as king of more than just England. Charles III as titular head-of-state of Great Britain, also serves in that role for the commonwealth countries as well. It is more or less as a goodwill ambassador. But who is to say good will isn't important?

Serve as head of the Commonwealth of Nations. This is a group of 54 nations, some of the British Commonwealth, many not, "aimed at fostering cooperation among member nations and advancing their economic and social interests" (rd dot com, Lauren Cahn, 9/26/22).

Pick the Prime Minister. This is largely ceremonial, as the king does this mainly by appointing the leader of the party that has just won a majority of seats in the House of Commons, but under certain rare circumstances, such as when a Prime Minister dies in office, the king may be called upon to "exercise his discretion" and actually make the pick himself.

Appoints members to the House of Lords. The king's picks for this must be approved by the Prime Minister, but it is he who actually makes the choice.

Appoints Supreme Court Justices. The King "appoints justices on the advice and recommendation of a panel of legal experts from each of the U.K.’s nations..." (ibid.)

Initiate the process of "forming a government". "Without the “formation of a government,” parliament can’t conduct its business (in fact, it doesn’t even exist until it’s formed). It’s up to the king to invite the prime minister appointee to Buckingham Palace, where he’ll ask the PM to “form a government,” a meeting known as the kissing of hands." (ibid.)

Open Parliament each year. A royal tradition, apparently.

Legitimize laws. " the king must sign off on a proposed act of parliament before it officially goes into effect, a process known as royal assent." The power to refuse royal assent still exists, though apparently no British monarch has done so since 1708.

Summon the Prime Minister. "One of the king’s responsibilities is to stay abreast of what’s going in the government. To do so, he can exercise his power to summon the prime minister for meetings (royal speak: audiences). During these meetings, he has both a right and a duty to express his opinions on matters of government." (ibid.)

Open Welsh lawmaking sessions and ratify Welsh legislation. Wales has its own form of elected government (The National Assembly of Wales) which acts on matters delegated to it by the U.K. Parliament. The King apparently exercises this duty in a similar manner as with the U.K. Parliament.

Ratify the laws of Northern Ireland. Same as above.

Appoint the members of the Privy Council. "The U.K. Privy Council is responsible for a number of executive responsibilities, including extending legislation to British territories overseas, granting royal charters and issuing orders and proclamations. It also advises the king on his duties, including how to exercise his royal prerogative. Members of the Privy Council are appointed by the king, although he takes the advice of the prime minister." (ibid.)

Pardon criminals. This is known as the "royal prerogative of mercy". " The king can use the royal pardon to reduce an inmate’s prison sentence. For instance, Queen Elizabeth used it in 2013 to grant a posthumous pardon to World War II code-breaker Alan Turing, who received an indecency conviction in 1952." (ibid.)

Grant knighthoods. "It’s a millennia-old tradition for the British monarch to recognize those who have shown great “service, loyalty or gallantry” (ibid.) While ceremonial it is not unlike our "Presidential Medal of Freedom".

Appoints bishops and archbishops to the Church of England. This goes back to 1534. The King makes this appointments based on the advice of the Prime Minister.

This list is just a few of the King's responsibilities. Much more, I'm afraid, than "Mickey Mouse".

OrangeBlossomBaby 12-19-2022 11:30 AM

Thanks to this thread, I started watching it. I'm still on the first episode. I like the outline, the way the documentation is arranged, the shift from "really grainy low-quality" photo to sharp crisp video, the clips and snippets of historic moments in modern UK history.

Aces4 12-19-2022 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 2167327)
I could care less about the so called Royal Family .My family goes back hundreds of years and are Irish catholic from Belfast and for hundreds of years like many other families have experienced being starved to death by English land lords , others forced to leave the country ,imprisoned without trials , denied good paying jobs , walled into ghettos and treated like second class citizens in there own country ,we don’t need the royal family and we don’t want them , they should just get out and leave us to be a free Ireland .

What about the Fenian Raids in the 1800’s when the IRA invaded and attacked Canada because of their British association?

charlieo1126@gmail.com 12-19-2022 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2167902)
What about the Fenian Raids in the 1800’s when the IRA invaded and attacked Canada because of their British association?

Good for them, they were part of the British Empire , Its one of the first stories I was told as a very young person and it was the first Invasion by Irishman against the British Empire, remember Canada had been no friend of the union along with the British government during the civil war , there sympathies had been with the South

Aces4 12-19-2022 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 2167949)
Good for them, they were part of the British Empire , Its one of the first stories I was told as a very young person and it was the first Invasion by Irishman against the British Empire

I wonder how important grudges are and how would Ireland have fared under Russian or Hitler’s control?
Hopefully, the new generations will figure it out between countries. This world has seen enough war.

Arctic Fox 12-19-2022 07:47 PM

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MorTech 12-20-2022 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich Iwaszko (Post 2167699)
The King and Queen are the equivalent of our Mickey and Minnie Mouse. They are paid well being the Number 1 Tourist attraction in England. They have no other functions. Harry evidently didn't want to be the next Goofy. Good for him. Good for Meghan. They are taking advantage of America's thirst for entertainment, thats our fault. They have shed light on the ridiculous royalty of England. Thats the new reality, show things for the way they really are.
The Magic Castle in England will lose its luster soon and its about time.

I agree the Royal Parasites do have some entertainment value but they derive their livelihood from gun-n-jail backed robbery of "THEIR Subjects" (Yes, The Royal Parasites claim to OWN the citizens of the UK tax farm). Imagine Disney surviving off the taxpayer...Now that would be Goofy.

charlieo1126@gmail.com 12-20-2022 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2167972)
I wonder how important grudges are and how would Ireland have fared under Russian or Hitler’s control?
Hopefully, the new generations will figure it out between countries. This world has seen enough war.

Hard to answer a statement like that so I’ll just say WHATEVER

Two Bills 12-20-2022 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 2168070)
I agree the Royal Parasites do have some entertainment value but they derive their livelihood from gun-n-jail backed robbery of "THEIR Subjects" (Yes, The Royal Parasites claim to OWN the citizens of the UK tax farm). Imagine Disney surviving off the taxpayer...Now that would be Goofy.

You really do need to update your medication requirements, or lay off the Wacky Baccy.

MorTech 12-20-2022 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2168202)
You really do need to update your medication requirements, or lay off the Wacky Baccy.

That...Or...Maybe you have brain damage from watching television. Most Americans do.

Velvet 12-20-2022 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 2168228)
That...Or...Maybe you have brain damage from watching television. Most Americans do.

I believe you are replying to a UK citizen…

Aces4 12-20-2022 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2168273)
I believe you are replying to a UK citizen…

Yep, he was.


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