[Boomer]

Originally Posted by Boomer

I thought you might appreciate that smart-azzed remark from me. But (sigh) you did not quote my entire post. Being quoted out of context can be my Achilles Heel, wounds me sometimes. (Oh dear, I should not have revealed that info. Uh, oh)

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

It didn't go unnoticed, but now expect many out of context quotes

You are a wile e. one, you are. But, just for the heckuv it, ask yourself if you think I made a mistake or did I set you up to make sure you will not be able to resist at least reading my posts, every word, and that you will never put me on your ignore list.

Beep Beep.

Bantering Boomer

[Malsua]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

But many of the ones who do, wear them UNDER their noses instead of ON their noses

The predominant route of infection is through mucus producing goblet cells and a close second is ciliated cells in the human nasal epithelium. I.E. You get the infection through your nose. Yes, it can infect down further, but it seems to come mostly from the nose.

You infect OTHERS with viral shedding which comes out predominately from the mouth although a good sneeze comes out both. Standard breathing though? Mouth.

So these numbskulls with poor mask discipline are to some degree protecting you, but at no level are they protecting themselves.

They'd better protect themselves with something just over their nose, but that'd look even sillier than the chin strap.

For what it's worth, a standard surgical mask helps lower your exposure but you will still get exposed. This is called inoculum. Lowered inoculum leads to a better disease course. In fact, probably leads to asymptomatic disease.

If you wear a mask in your car, alone, which I have seen plenty of times, I'm curious as to how you think this protects anything. There is a time and place for masks and that's close proximity indoors. Outdoors, except super high density, (Think Time Square on 12/31), it isn't doing much either. Mother nature is diluting the viral load very rapidly.

[Jerseygirl08]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Doesn't particularly "bother' me, but I do think it adds to the mask hysteria

I agree. It adds to the hysteria, especially since wearing a mask now has been politicized as much as racism has been massively politicized. Wearing a mask while driving a car, alone, could actually be dangerous. Anybody ever feel dizzy while wearing your mask? It's because you are breathing in your own expelled CO2. CO2 is supposed to come out of you, period. You are not supposed to breath it back in. So, after fact checking, I learned that breathing in your own CO2 WILL NOT KILL YOU. However, it can cause you to feel dizzy, depending on how heavily you are breathing, especially if you have asthma, COPD, etc. I actually experienced this, walking up a hill, outside, masked up. So, expel your CO2, no need to breath it back in unnecessarily. I believe in wearing a mask when indoors with others, unable to social distance when outside, and especially when you are near a medically compromised person. But all the time, not warranted in my opinion. And last time I checked, we do not live in a Communist/Socialist country where the government is enforcing mandatory 24/7 mask wearing. Thank God we don't have that form of government. So, for the people who disagree, and think WE ARE POISONING YOU, maybe you should wear N-95's and faceshields, and latex gloves - or stay home. Or move to a Communist/Socialist country where the government controls everybody. I prefer to stay in
America.

[2Jays]

I find that those screaming about masks don't always wear one. People who are so worried about masks go to Walmart, supermarket, Kohls, Bealls,etc. My experience is half the people don't wear masks there or wear them incorrectly. At the Pence rally there were 3,000 people and most did not wear a mask. Also I find that those crabbing about masks have their grandkids come up here , their kids visit,etc. We wear masks but we are not crazy about it nor do will tell others how to live their lives. There were 12,000 people at the Trump rally and there seems to be no elevation in Covid cases. I confess I am tired of the hypocricy of those lecturing the rest of us about masks.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Good point!
But the answer to those who think never wearing a mask is appropriate is not to wear one 24/7/365

I would suggest appropriate is:
When a sign states it is required
When you are indoors but can't guarantee social distancing, such as the grocery store
Outdoors in a crowd (if you actually wade into a crowd)

Not appropriate is:
When driving alone in a car or cart
When cycling
When golfing
When playing pickle ball (although that sport may have some other issues)
When sitting alone in a chair in your driveway.

Now those times may seem absurd, but I have seen each and every one of those scenarios multiple times

I totally agree, though I would change "not appropriate" in the second half to "not useful." If someone WANTS to wear a mask 24/7, I don't think it's up to anyone else to tell him he shouldn't (unless he shows up in the Ocala Sheriff's office, apparently because special snowflakes will snowflake." He might be doing something silly, but it's causing no one else any harm for him to do it, so let the poor schlub enjoy his mask.

But the items you listed as "appropriate" should not merely be appropriate. It should be urged, encouraged, and appreciated.

[justjim]

OP is spot on.

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by davem4616

we wear masks whenever we go out and about, period...even though science clearly tells us that the virus is able to freely pass through any mask

we just don't want to put up with the judgmental stares from the self-righteous if either of us dared to step out in public without a mask

I do the same. I would not even contemplate trying to have a logical conversation about what people really think a non N95 really does for them, or actually for others. But it's just not worth an actual scientific discussion. Many would not have the background for that, and I personally think there is real value in having people have some feeling of being in charge of this. I personally know from career experience, that this feeling of helplessness is as destructive as the virus. People can't do anything about factors such as over weight, heart problems, diabetes, and compromised immune systems... that is a helpless feeling. The mask, even a cute piece of cotton material from Jo Ann's, can allow the person to feel some measure of control, and that helps more than many realize. I do think someday, in the far future, our great grand children will read about this, and how people "back then" put pieces of cloth material, even cut them from sheets and blankets and coffee filters, put elastic on them to put around their ears, and believed they were protecting themselves and others; in much the same way WE read about how in the middle ages, people stuffed rags, paper, anything they could find under the space between door and floor, and around windows, to keep the plague from entering their homes in a mist in the air. Also, how the doctors, the learned people of the day, "let blood" drained a "safe" amount from people to let out the killer virus and bacteria, only they did not even know those terms. But against masks, refuse to put on one on, no, I comply, I don't argue, or try to convince anyone. I kind of view it like using a tissue for a cold, we ALL KNOW that the person at the next table or desk or chair, is only being "polite", that the air is FILLED with cold virus that did not go into that little porous tissue, but it "could have caught a bit of it" and most of all we "feel" light it might have. If people did not feel they were doing something to be in control, many would never leave their homes. Our entire economy really would collapse then ! As the old joke goes, farmer in Indiana was seen in his fields throwing out some kind of purple powder that was actually flour that had been colored. When other asked him what he had, what he was doing, and WHY, he replied: deep purple dyed flour, keep the lions away from the crops. LIONS the startled people asked, LIONS ? Lions have never been seen here in the Midwest for decades. centuries, maybe NEVER. Yep, pretty darn EFFECTIVE isn't it ! ! We need to smile these days, even at ourselves !

[Pairadocs]

BRAVO ! A logical mind, an open mind, finally. A time and place for masks, mandatory, fines, social "shunning", and all the other foolishness when most people will never be able to purchase an actual (really protective) mask, only the N-95 rip offs and there sure are plenty of those on the internet ! As for the new shields, for workers like teachers and servers who have to wear them all day and their foreheads become raw and sore from the head band...... they new version now has a band that fits very lightly around the neck, the "shield" part itself "flips" down forward, and then back up to "protect" the person. HOW the virus KNOWS NOT to drop into the completely open space from the top, and NOT enter the eyes, nose, or mouth.... I have not been able to understand and it's not explained in all the advertising and hype for these ? !

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by Dana1963

Not appropriate is:
When driving alone in a car or cart
When cycling
When golfing
When playing pickle ball (although that sport may have some other issues)
When sitting alone in a chair in your driveway.

Now those times may seem absurd, but I have seen each and every one of those scenarios multiple times.
So what why should it bother you. I have seen the same so what!

So What ? That makes sense to me. I've seen plenty of "double take" scenes too, and tell myself the old "not my circus not my monkeys" and get past it. If people want to wear their masks in the bath tub, in the swimming pool (although that's kind of a health issue I'd think), on the golf course, and while walking their dogs ( I see that daily just sitting on the front stoop having my morning coffee), or riding their bikes. I see a person fairly regularly at the mail boxes, mask on AND a face shield (yes !) riding in golf cart. At the boxes, stops and puts on disposable gloves like restaurant workers use, gets mail, puts in cart, goes to waste container and disposes of the gloves, mask and shield still on, and drives on in golf cart like that. Very happy with my "not my circus, not my monkeys" philosophy because it FINALLY hit me, this person is evidently undergoing chemo or radiation treatments ! That's why it always pays (for your own peace of mind and calm) to "give the other person the benefit of a doubt". I see things that may seem strange to me, like a person walking past at 7 a.m., all alone, save for a dog, with a mask on. I take a sip of coffee and think that is good that the person is trying to feel secure, that's a good thing. Would I do that, well, honestly, no, but that does not mean it's not a good thing to walk alone with a mask if it helps someone feel good.

[Sensei]

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[Snowprint]

Originally Posted by davem4616

we wear masks whenever we go out and about, period...even though science clearly tells us that the virus is able to freely pass through any mask

we just don't want to put up with the judgmental stares from the self-righteous if either of us dared to step out in public without a mask

No, the virus doesn’t freely pass through a mask! Do you think doctors, nurses, and all other medical personnel wear masks because they don’t work? It’s a FACT that wearing a mask reduces the chance of transmission to yourself and others. The type of mask, & wearing it correctly, matters in how effective the protection from the virus. The amount of viral load is very important when it comes to getting infected and the severity of illness, and wearing a mask is proven to mitigate both.
There should be a national mask mandate! It would save many, many thousands of lives and millions of illnesses. We don’t know if COVID19 causes, after recovery, lifelong adverse outcomes. It’s only been around for less than a year, so there’s no data on the long term outcome from COVID19, even for someone who doesn’t get sick at all. The virus that causes hepatitis, for example, is detrimental for a lifetime.
I would hope everyone would not spread the misinformation about mask wearing. It’s dangerous and is deadly. There’s a reason why America is the poster boy among developed countries for how NOT to mitigate this pandemic. It’s because much of the political leadership is, plainly, stupid. Let’s not add to the stupidity by questioning the effectiveness of wearing masks to mitigate the spread of this deadly virus.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Snowprint

No, the virus doesn’t freely pass through a mask! Do you think doctors, nurses, and all other medical personnel wear masks because they don’t work? It’s a FACT that wearing a mask reduces the chance of transmission to yourself and others. The type of mask, & wearing it correctly, matters in how effective the protection from the virus. The amount of viral load is very important when it comes to getting infected and the severity of illness, and wearing a mask is proven to mitigate both.
There should be a national mask mandate! It would save many, many thousands of lives and millions of illnesses. We don’t know if COVID19 causes, after recovery, lifelong adverse outcomes. It’s only been around for less than a year, so there’s no data on the long term outcome from COVID19, even for someone who doesn’t get sick at all. The virus that causes hepatitis, for example, is detrimental for a lifetime.
I would hope everyone would not spread the misinformation about mask wearing. It’s dangerous and is deadly. There’s a reason why America is the poster boy among developed countries for how NOT to mitigate this pandemic. It’s because much of the political leadership is, plainly, stupid. Let’s not add to the stupidity by questioning the effectiveness of wearing masks to mitigate the spread of this deadly virus.

Then why are you doing exactly that????

[Snowprint]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Then why are you doing exactly that????

How about, specifically, ANY misinformation I am, supposedly, spreading? It’s similar to raving about “fake news” when the news is true and based on research, facts, reality, etc. If you make a hypothesis, it’s not valid without supporting evidence. The evidence that mask wearing is effective is overwhelming and conclusive!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Snowprint

How about, specifically, ANY misinformation I am, supposedly, spreading? It’s similar to raving about “fake news” when the news is true and based on research, facts, reality, etc. If you make a hypothesis, it’s not valid without supporting evidence. The evidence that mask wearing is effective is overwhelming and conclusive!

OMG, where can I even start?

The virus CAN pass right through a mask, the mask can stop droplets to a certain degree if worn properly

Clearly, you have never worn a "mask", or performed surgery or you would know what is involved and why

Long term sequellae? MOST viruses have that potential, rarely, and some do not. Hepatitis A---self limited, no long term effects. Hepatitis B---sometimes people develop CAH or CPH (chronic active or persistent Hep B). Hepatitis C--can be cured in 8 weeks

But the true nature of your post came through when you referred to the "political leadership" as stupid. I wish I was "stupid" enough to be worth $10 billion and get elected POTUS.

[Pettys1]

Mike St people are wearing mask. So if you have yours on your protected