Wouldn't go back anymore. Last time I was there [ for a show, 5yrs ago] , the whole place looked like a slum.

1) You can find data online :024: to support any position you wish to espouse.

2) I have heard rumors, which I choose to believe, that the police :police: in my city are increasingly refusing to take crime reports. (Due to being understaffed, and possibly, pressure from superiors.)

3) This is the best of all possible worlds. :loco:

Yes, it's the same for London. Get to the National Gallery and Portrait Gallery. Maybe Hampton. Get a curry and get out.

I'm viewing this at 1am central. Not sure what your point is.

I wouldn't want to be 20 miles from this. Not a place I'd want to be walking back to my apartment after a nice night out with friends. Looks like a good place to get mugged.

Way too many people in too small of a place.[/QUOTE]

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LOL That's what I say about the Villages as I try to convince myself to buy there. I'm getting closer to convincing myself.

I used to work for the RR running trains into the city [14 yrs ago]. I stay in touch with a few coworkers that tell me it's ALOT worse now. Homeless people are more aggressive, random attacks are more often. I feel there are much better places in the US I would visit first.
We have a 3 week road trip coming up in Sept. Vegas to New Orleans, should prove to be interesting.
In any case, be safe and enjoy.

It’s safe. Just ask Mayor Adams.

Been several times. Always feel like someone has their hand in my pocket. Never felt save. Being brought up in a large city I was always taught to be aware and careful but NYC is a totally different world

My brother, wife and 13 year old daughter went for a week over Christmas and had a blast. Though my niece is now into all the designer stuff after seeing the windows at Saks etc. They saw Hamilton, and did a bunch of things. I was there last year and am going back in Dec. I’ve lived there and work there on occasion. I love that city. Just to eat at amazing restaurants if nothing else.

If you go to Orlando, I would certainly go to NYC.

....or the National Guard needed in the subway.

Not true that NYC is safer, NYPD has for too many years played with crime numbers like changing Burglary to Larceny , Rape to Assault and so on. Traffic and parking is outrageous, speed cameras all over with speed limits on the same road going up then down . Going there, good luck and be prepared for very high costs.

My daughter lives on Central Park in Manhattan. Has been there 20 years. I travel there a few times a year. I feel safe and so does she. But as with anywhere, she is vigilant. She no longer rides the subway unless absolutely necessary. It’s a great city with lots of culture. However, if you haven’t visited recently you will be shocked at the price of a Broadway ticket!!!

We visited a month ago. No plans to go back. You will be shocked at the price of EVERYTHING.

I grew up across the Hudson in NJ and visited NYC all the time. So I'm familiar with the city. It has changed dramatically over the last 2 or decades.
I personally would not go back to the city because it is so dangerous. The reason is that no one that gets arrested is actually in jail for long. So there is no consequences to their actions.
There is a recent report about women getting punched in the face randomly for no reason what so ever. This is happening in the middle of the day with people around on the street.
If your going to go please be careful.

Will probably get a lot of opinions here. Only way to get a true sense is by getting the actual crime statistics and even they do not give an accurate depiction of what is going on. For example if the murder rate is up and most of the murders are family/spousal related, murder rates for others might be going down. We were there last June in the Financial District. Had a great time

Thank you, Pangloss!

NYC is the Greatest City in the World
 

Make no mistake, every city has its dangers. Watch the local news here and you’ll see lots of violence in and around Orlando. NYC has changed from the Fear City days of the 70s-80s. Today tourist areas are well patrolled and safe. Like any other place, if you cdecide to explore the wrong area you could find trouble. Anyone bringing a gun to protect themselves better be well trained in using one in crowded areas with innocent people on the streets. Also have a license that is valid in NYC, or you may see a dangerous place, Rikers Island. Every time you travel be aware of your surroundings and if you get lost or confused, ask a cop. They’re all over the place. My Son and his wife live in Manhattan and love the city like I do. To those of you who don’t like NYC, stay safe at home, they will not miss you. I meet friends and family there all the time and give them tours, I have them bring walking shoes because it’s the best way to get around midtown.
BTW I wanted to see the Grand Canyon and hope to do so this year! I heard some people fall in, but I’m still going!

What can be said about NYC can most likely be said, to a greater or lesser extent, about most major metropolitan centers in America.

To quote Mark Twain, there are three kinds of untruths: "Lies, damned lies, and statistics". Of the three, I think that statistics are the worse; they can be fudged or manipulated to way whatever the manipulator wants them to say.

Several posts have mentioned how some cities and areas play with the statistics. Post #55 for example mentions changing rape to assault, burglary to larceny, etc. Unfortunately in many areas it goes deeper than that. In many cases it is all in how the words of the presenter are strung together. I remember reading an article a few months back (can't remember where) that stated (in paraphrase) "Minneapolis has seen a significant increase in property crime these last few years, but that is slowly starting to decline". One had to read a bit further down in the article to realize that what was meant, was that the rate of INCREASE has begun to decline--such crimes are still on the increase, just not as fast.

Another example: shoplifting in Minnesota is a crime: any property taken up to the value of $500 is a misdemeanor. $500 - $1,000 a gross misdemeanor. Anything over $1,000 in value can be prosecuted as a felony. A recent report in The Minnesota Reformer (Dec. 1, 2023) indicates that "Reported cases of shoplifting in Minneapolis and St. Paul have fallen considerably since the pre-pandemic period, according to the latest data from the Council on Criminal Justice, a nonprofit tracking crime figures". Well and good...except that it has become the unwritten practice in many areas in Minnesota, not just Minneapolis, to not even report shoplifting below the $1,000 level, and even when reported shoplifting is not commonly prosecuted to the point of a conviction. In other words, what the "numbers" say is becoming more and more divorced from reality as time passes. Contrast that to the reality here, in Sumter County, where arrests for shoplifting are common, even for amounts that would get you a belly laugh if reported to law enforcement in the MSP Metro. For instance, I read not too long ago in The Online Paper That Shall Not Be Named that a shoplifter at a local Wal-Mart had been identified and tracked down by the local law--for taking things total value around $60.00! It doesn't take any great perceptual skill to realize that comparing shoplifting statistics between Minneapolis (Hennepin County) vs. those of The Villages (Sumter County) is going to give the reader a completely erroneous picture of the frequency of actual crimes being committed.

A good rule of thumb (IMO anyway): if you're trying to judge how safe a certain metro area might be, check how strongly the police are supported and empowered by the local population of that area. That should tell you what you need to know.

Was there last summer, ride the subways a lot. No problems.

NYC crime statistics show there is much less crime now than in the 1990’s. Would you have visited in the 1990’s? That answers your question.

Stop listening to political hype and look at facts put out by each state. Overall, crime has been declining, not increasing the past 40 years.

What you “feel” is not hard facts. Look at statistics on actual crime.

What Caused the Crime Decline? | Brennan Center for Justice

Better You Stay home
 

Have you been to NYC?

My daughter lives in NYC, Battery Park. She no longer takes the Subway.

Grew up on LI visited, even worked in NYC. Nothing compares to the cultural experiences all in one place. Yet have found many sweet spots here in Florida that have tiny reminders of those experiences. St Augustine for history, Winter Park is like an eclectic reminder of Soho, NYC Village and some interesting eats and shops. Sarasota has a very pleasent cultural mix. Tampa is becoming as cowered as NYC. Is any place truly safe anymore? I think not. Just walk tall and be alert. I wouldn't go alone and would definitely map out where,what I want to experience. Christmas hoilday season is the only time of year I miss the city.

If I had to go, I would be armed, wear a body cam (available from Amazon), and not go anywhere alone..

It’s the same as any large city. Theres crime everywhere but if you want to hibernate that’s your choice.

No Way--Plenty of other places to visit where you would not worry about your saftey. Seniors and woman are targets.

Safer in NYC?
 

Not too many folks in Wildwood are getting shoved in front of trains... or taking a sucker punch to the head walking down the street in Brownwood.

Well said! And in New York, as well as all the cities you mention, most of the violent crime is done by criminals from some minority groups against other young criminals from the same group. If you don’t fit those categories, you are really pretty safe in New York and unlikely to see any crimes. Definitely do NOT take your concealed weapon to NYC! That said, there are various scam artists in New York looking for people to scam. If you have lived in New York, you are street smart and know how to behave to avoid trouble. Lots of tourists from the sticks are NOT street smart and do stupid things that give thieves an opportunity. That said, chances are you won’t meet those people. Be awake. Pay attention. Don’t accept things from people like CDs because they will expect you to pay them. Don’t get into conversations with people. Really, while I feel safe walking most streets in Manhattan, if you are worried, maybe don’t go. New York is an amazing place. I once counted fourteen different languages being spoken in one block. It is much safer than it was forty years ago. Really, though, it’s expensive, and the sidewalks are packed with people, most better dressed than you and talking on cell phones. The streets are even more crowded. The subways are crowded and confusing if you haven’t used them before. The taxis are expensive, and there’s a good chance your driver won’t speak English and will take you the long way to where you want to go.

If you are a tourist bent on sightseeing, I’d say go to Washington, DC. The places where the tourists go are safe, it’s much less crowded, there are wonderful museums and public buildings close together, the Metro is safe and easy to use. It’s a much more relaxed place to visit.

Good luck! if you go down to GV or Little Italy be sure to take a cab as the subways are not good (they just announced they are installing metal detectors at all subway entrances as there has been so much crime).

I did see stats show crime in all categories have increased in the Big Apple. Hope it doesn’t rot.

Agree with the whole post....except the Grand Canyon missive. Unlike NYC, they usually (if it was a female) don’t get randomly punched in the face before ‘falling in’ to the canyon below

Yes, many times , I used to travel there for business....

or blatently simpleminded!! :1rotfl::1rotfl:
NYC is as safe of dangerous as any other place. There is a game you can buy in stores called "A Florida Man" So we have that!!! :crap2:

“Statistics show"
 

Figures lie and kiars figure. With no bad guys actually staying in jail, I wouldn’t try it, especially the once beautiful Manhattan! That said, it’s true that virtually ALL big cities are corrupt and, therefore, dangerous.

Have you researched any tours in New York? If you are going to see the sights, I would recommend at least a one or two day tour with transportation and guide. If you are going to eat and see a show, Broadway is very walkable and easy to navigate since all the streets are numbered in order. A 20 block walk is very easy since the blocks are short and you walk fast! Lots of other people walking so hold your purse or wallet and go! It's a great place if you stay aware like in any other big city! The Broadway shows are great and pizza is delicious! Lots of good restaurants in the area of Times Square and Broadway. No worse than Rome or any other big city.

My son lived in the apartment right above there for a few years, right before Covid. My favorite area of NYC.

Yes, I haven’t heard or seen people being pushed into the Grand Canyon.

NYC has 8.5 M people. NYC has almost half the violent crime rate than Orlando. Miami also, the violent crime rate is much higher. There is more violent crime in Florida than New York. There are 20 US cities with higher crime rates in the entire US. Just google the stats for yourself.

Did you read the part where the police don’t collect the statistics? I do believe it is possible to live in NYC and people survive to enjoy the wonderful offerings. I have a friend who does animation, living in the most difficult area for the last 40 years and he would never leave NYC. But, I can get Sak’s designer stuff and great ethnic food in most big cities but Broadway, MET and the other art galleries etc are unmatched anywhere, in my opinion.

I was trying to answer the question is NYC safe? Well, for me, it is not.