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charmed59 11-01-2016 10:15 PM

When we bought here we started with a local mortgage broker that was recommended by our Villages Realtor. We had one week before I was heading back to my hometown, and two weeks before I was heading out of the country for a trip. I urged the mortgage broker to have all the paper work done before I headed home, no such luck. Then kept reminding them I was heading out of town. When I was leaving the country in 36 hours, and got a package of papers from the broker with more questions and wrong information than right information I headed to my local Wells Fargo, where I have accounts. They finished the paperwork in one day, and finalized the mortgage for a better rate in less than 3 weeks, allowing me to close on time.

Go with a banker you trust. If that banker is in your hometown, rather than here in the Villages, that will work out, probably better.

Mrs. Robinson 11-02-2016 03:31 AM

Greed By Any Other Name . . .
 
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Originally Posted by Big O (Post 1313854)
Why? A contract was signed, and they agreed to the terms. I'll bet if the developer was late you would expect them to live up to them.

Yes, a contract was signed, however, I guarantee if the closing was delayed because of a Villages glitch, they wouldn't pay you, and you won't find that written into the contract!

There is something about being held by the you-know-whats that just doesn't sit well with most people. Pure unadulterated greed.

Mrs. Robinson 11-02-2016 03:47 AM

My Way or the Highway.
 
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1313880)
I used Quicken loans and we closed on time. But it was brought to my attention that there was a $250 fine for each day that we closed late. What bothered me was they told us this after all the paperwork was signed and submitted. I know. It's my fault for not reading every word of every page that we signed. But, I have to ask, how many of you actually do that?

It was also troubling that if you got turned down for the loan, you lost your deposit. My sister is one of the top real estate brokers in New England and she has never heard of either of these two conditions. She said that the only late fines she ever heard of were on the builder or a contractor for not finishing work on time. If she sells a house and the buyer doesn't get the loan, they just cancel the deal and refund the money.

If I move again, it will be into a pre-owned house. I would never buy from The Villages again.

An excellent post, Dr. Boogie.

I find some real estate things within TV to not be 100% above board, even if it is prewritten into the contract.
There are things done here which are completely unacceptable in the world of general real estate.
I question the legality of some of these things.
Things are the way they are because everyone simply accepts the way things are.
No one has ever "tested" them or so much as made a ripple and I doubt if anyone has used legal counsel against them.

dewilson58 11-02-2016 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Robinson (Post 1314110)
Yes, a contract was signed, however, I guarantee if the closing was delayed because of a Villages glitch, they wouldn't pay you, and you won't find that written into the contract!

There is something about being held by the you-know-whats that just doesn't sit well with most people. Pure unadulterated greed.

My contract with TV did state TV would pay if they delay.

A lot of whining about a mutually agreed upon contract.

Wow.

outlaw 11-02-2016 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1313880)
I used Quicken loans and we closed on time. But it was brought to my attention that there was a $250 fine for each day that we closed late. What bothered me was they told us this after all the paperwork was signed and submitted. I know. It's my fault for not reading every word of every page that we signed. But, I have to ask, how many of you actually do that?

It was also troubling that if you got turned down for the loan, you lost your deposit. My sister is one of the top real estate brokers in New England and she has never heard of either of these two conditions. She said that the only late fines she ever heard of were on the builder or a contractor for not finishing work on time. If she sells a house and the buyer doesn't get the loan, they just cancel the deal and refund the money.

If I move again, it will be into a pre-owned house. I would never buy from The Villages again.

That's what the developer knows. Most people never get through the whole contract. Rarely do people read a RE listing contract they sign, too.

photo1902 11-02-2016 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1313880)
I used Quicken loans and we closed on time. But it was brought to my attention that there was a $250 fine for each day that we closed late. What bothered me was they told us this after all the paperwork was signed and submitted. I know. It's my fault for not reading every word of every page that we signed. But, I have to ask, how many of you actually do that?

It was also troubling that if you got turned down for the loan, you lost your deposit. My sister is one of the top real estate brokers in New England and she has never heard of either of these two conditions. She said that the only late fines she ever heard of were on the builder or a contractor for not finishing work on time. If she sells a house and the buyer doesn't get the loan, they just cancel the deal and refund the money.

If I move again, it will be into a pre-owned house. I would never buy from The Villages again.

I'll put in my two cents. 5 years ago my wife and I put a $7,500 deposit on a lot south of 466A, in hopes we could begin building within the year time limit. Due to elderly parents to take care of, we could not begin the build, nor could we move. We lost the deposit, which we were fully aware could happen. Fast forward to 2014, when we were able to move to Florida and begin our search for a new home here in The Villages. During the search for a new home, I casually mentioned the lost deposit to our Villages Sales Agent. One phone call from him, and we received a $7,500 credit! This was a total and pleasant surprise. I cannot stress enough how happy I was with our agent. Having dealt with two Villages Sales Agents, both gave us absolutely NO pressure to buy, and showed us both new and used homes.

mickey100 11-02-2016 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by charmed59 (Post 1314100)
When we bought here we started with a local mortgage broker that was recommended by our Villages Realtor. We had one week before I was heading back to my hometown, and two weeks before I was heading out of the country for a trip. I urged the mortgage broker to have all the paper work done before I headed home, no such luck. Then kept reminding them I was heading out of town. When I was leaving the country in 36 hours, and got a package of papers from the broker with more questions and wrong information than right information I headed to my local Wells Fargo, where I have accounts. They finished the paperwork in one day, and finalized the mortgage for a better rate in less than 3 weeks, allowing me to close on time.

Go with a banker you trust. If that banker is in your hometown, rather than here in the Villages, that will work out, probably better.

Good advice. When we were shopping for mortgages we found that citizens was higher than many of the other institutions we looked at. I don't care if it is just a half a percent, I feel that the Morses are already making money on the house they sold me and I'm not going to give them that extra half a percent on the mortgage payments as well. Yes, the Morses family holds a controlling interest in citizens bank.

outlaw 11-02-2016 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonny (Post 1313946)
What if it's 2 days ? That starts becoming a problem. The terms are spelled out. Sign the papers, you agree to the terms.
I wouldn't call it greed. If I was selling my house and I said 30 days, I want my money in 30 days.

I have bought and sold at least 20 homes/rentals in my life. I understand "time is of the essence". NEVER in any of my closings was there a penalty assessed for a couple of days delay of closing; even a week delay. In my experience, the vast majority of the time, these delays are not the fault of the buyer or seller, but another player in the closing. You can keep rationalizing the developer's use of less than upstanding business tactics, but deep down, I think you know the truth.

LitespeedRider 11-02-2016 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1314222)
I understand "time is of the essence".


Not at all to bash the "Developer", but - on their side, on new construction time is NOT of the essence. This is not like a chain of owners who count on a closing to get their down payment on their new home.

I have seen chains go four and five properties deep with "contingencies" of closings and down payments.

The fact is that TV is selling new (vacant) homes that are nothing more than red ink on the balance sheet. No one is in the property waiting on a contingency to move into their next property.

Contracts are just that, and I guess "Buyer Beware" - but, I agree with you that it seems just a bit shady.

rjm1cc 11-02-2016 10:37 AM

I think it would be hard to get a mortgage in 30 days. Especially if you are retired and do not have a track record of several years income to support your payments. I would go cash and then get the mortgage. Don't forget you might have bond payments too.

Retiring 11-02-2016 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1314222)
I have bought and sold at least 20 homes/rentals in my life. I understand "time is of the essence". NEVER in any of my closings was there a penalty assessed for a couple of days delay of closing; even a week delay. In my experience, the vast majority of the time, these delays are not the fault of the buyer or seller, but another player in the closing. You can keep rationalizing the developer's use of less than upstanding business tactics, but deep down, I think you know the truth.

Outlaw were you late with your TV closing and they let it go without penalty? Unless the developer has changed in the last few months, they WILL charge you a penalty for being late ONE day. If their practices have changed that would be a plus in their column.

I also know of the developer being late to close by almost a full week. They had a problem with one of the builders stopping all work Christmas week, which they did not plan for on their master schedule so it was not finished on the day it was promised to the buyer. Developer did live up to his end of the penalty. They provided a motel room and one meal per day.

outlaw 11-02-2016 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Retiring (Post 1314284)
Outlaw were you late with your TV closing and they let it go without penalty? Unless the developer has changed in the last few months, they WILL charge you a penalty for being late ONE day. If their practices have changed that would be a plus in their column.

I also know of the developer being late to close by almost a full week. They had a problem with one of the builders stopping all work Christmas week, which they did not plan for on their master schedule so it was not finished on the day it was promised to the buyer. Developer did live up to his end of the penalty. They provided a motel room and one meal per day.

Did not buy through the developer. Was pointing out that charging a penalty for being a couple days late closing is very rare in the home RE industry. IMO, it is just another way for the developer to coerce the buyer to use all developer businesses to close; bank, attorney, etc. Let's see; developer late in closing, a room and a meal. Buyer late in closing; $300-$647 per day! That sounds about right....

dewilson58 11-02-2016 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1314313)
Did not buy through the developer. Was pointing out that charging a penalty for being a couple days late closing is very rare in the home RE industry. IMO, it is just another way for the developer to coerce the buyer to use all developer businesses to close; bank, attorney, etc. Let's see; developer late in closing, a room and a meal. Buyer late in closing; $300-$647 per day! That sounds about right....

Again, an agreement between buyer and seller. I didn't use their bank or attorney.

If you are late on your credit card or on your mortgage.....there is a penalty. Pay early, you get nothing. Fair is not always equal. You always have a choice.....don't do it if you think you are being coerced.

photo1902 11-02-2016 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1314318)
Again, an agreement between buyer and seller. I didn't use their bank or attorney.

If you are late on your credit card or on your mortgage.....there is a penalty. Pay early, you get nothing. Fair is not always equal. You always have a choice.....don't do it if you think you are being coerced.

Very well put.

Retiring 11-02-2016 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1314313)
Did not buy through the developer. Was pointing out that charging a penalty for being a couple days late closing is very rare in the home RE industry. IMO, it is just another way for the developer to coerce the buyer to use all developer businesses to close; bank, attorney, etc. Let's see; developer late in closing, a room and a meal. Buyer late in closing; $300-$647 per day! That sounds about right....

It is rare and it’s not fair in any sense of the word. This falls into the category of “it is what it is.” Any prospective buyer reading this thread is put on notice. When you’re given a closing date consider it engraved in stone. Get your financing nailed down early or pay cash.


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