But, would it have been great if our Government told us all the truth when they knew it ?

Would we not be better off had we known the real facts that our government knew in January, listened to a plan and as a country given it our best shot ?

Would we not be better off had our government not decided early on to allow not only disruption occur, but allow terrible bad information be allowed to come to us ?

Would we not have been better off if instead of flat out lying, our government had been honest with all of us, instead of telling lies about the virus and the future ?

The government is not our mother for sure. Mothers would not lie to their children and would make the children’s protection the number one motivation for everything they do.

Our government did not begin this terrible time, but wasted so much time and actions to keep it quiet. At the beginning, we were short masks, etc., which were shipped to China by American companies with government assistance. Had our government been honest and concerned, would that have happened.

As we now know, our government was advised in January, and knew this virus was dangerous while we unknowingly thought we were safe.

Our country has always been strong enough to fight, but when we are informed and not lied to.

On top of that, our own government established a beach head on masks, insured that sides were taken and citizens split apart on the topic.

I am sorry, but our government was irresponsible with this, and continue to be so.

I will never forget that, and many families who have lost people to the virus, especially early on when we were purposely kept in the dark, will never forget either.

Doc, here’s the definition I got

Definition of etiology
1 : CAUSE, ORIGIN
specifically : the cause of a disease or abnormal condition

it says essentially that an etiologic agent that you referred to is the cause of a disease. Granted the cause of CFS is unknown but according to the above definition that does not mean it is not a disease just that the cause is currently unknown. Please explain what I am missing.

Also are you saying it is not a disease now but if in the future the etiologic agent is found it could be a disease,

Also let me apologize if you took my statement that “you are worried that without an IDME number you won’t get paid” as a reflection on you. I was referring to a “you” in general not “you specifically” but should have been clearer.

There is now talk of 3rd wave????

This is about the strong resurgence of Covid-19 which is happening here and in Europe as well.

It seems to be returning again no matter how it has been handled in France, Germany, Spain, Italy, United Kingdom, Sweden, China, India etc.

The name of the thread is second wave. Since this is happening I think it is fair to say that the virus is doing what it does no matter what happens. It is a world wide thing and God only knows what the tallies of deaths will be at the end.

This is really not political. This is a Pandemic caused by a virus that has morphed into a new one. It hurts some people worse than others. Scientists all seem to agree that the most people who have died are elderly.

Why are some arguing politics??? Do you not see it is an equal opportunity nasty virus? We are all capable of reading what the CDC and the WHO has told us. It has been particularly hard for all health agencies to keep up with a rapidly changing scene. When most of us first heard about it at the end of February the health agencies in China were not clear and not sharing. They had stumbled upon something sickening and killing people in late December. In January it had traveled to Italy...still confusion as to what to do. In early March we knew that New York was having some cases. But by the middle of March it was very clear that it was HERE in the U.S.....and even the experts were not precise at that time with advice. They were thinking to save masks for the medical people and thinking to set up beds. No one could really know how it would play out or exactly what to do. There is still no one saying with clarity what works and what doesn't. Science is often slow to summarize.

"I"
 

Have you ever noticed how many times a person opposed to wearing a mask uses "I". Pay attention, it is really noticeable that it is all about them and no caring for others.

"Have you ever noticed" how many times a person that demands others wear a mask use the phrase "no caring for others?" It seems that those folks are thinking of themselves also, or they wouldn't care if someone else is careless with their own safety. See, it works both ways. Personally, I wear a mask when I think it is prudent. Actually, I am wearing a mask less than at the beginning of this thing. The more I learn about the illness, the less I worry. And yes, I have lost two members of my family "supposedly" to COVID. I do not care if you wear a mask or not. If you wish to wear a mask, then by all means wear your mask. I haven't worn long pants in years. See, I live dangerously. But, I don't demand others to dress like me. I will say this again and probably repeat it frequently, if you feel threatened and you can avoid the supposed danger, it is on you to stay safe. It is not anyone else's duty to protect you from exposing yourself to danger. Only you. I have been in stores that require you to wear a mask. I have seen folks comply by wearing the mask under their chins. If the Gov mandated masks, that is exactly what would happen. And if anyone was charged, it would be thrown out of court because the gov did not supply everyone with gov approved masks.
You will not demand folks to wear a mask. All you can do is keep the public informed and let them make the decision to wear or not wear. Like I have said before, I wear my mask when I feel it to be necessary. I do not care if anyone else wears a mask or not. You can howl at the moon for all the good it will do. You will have some that will not wear a mask even if they could see the virus in the air. I am prepared for contingencies. I have paper masks, cloth masks, Lead filtering masks and even a military gas mask. I have a box of disposable gloves, a pack of work gloves, welding gloves. I have safety glasses, goggles, a face shield and a welding hood. I am prepared, but I will not run amok screaming that the "sky is falling."

Are there more R deaths associated with this virus, just wondering?

A better question would be....How many sick folks didn't take advanced biology in school?

We never really got out of the first wave. It's clear. It's here. No end in sight.

How does it happen that we read posts from people who claim they do what they have to do to follow guidelines, but then go on to show that they are hellbent on convincing others not to listen to the science?

If this were not so real, it would be fascinating. But it is just plain weird, downright bizarre. Incomprehensible.

Then there is the irony of the fact that those who just want to let it all hang out are really the ones holding the economy down because they creep out other spenders.

Even though portfolios might be looking nice and tubby for now, that is not the real economy. And, while I am at it, speaking of portfolios, I have been wondering how those REITS holding commercial property are doing. I have never been a fan of those so I do not really know. Just curious. But I digress.

Wearing masks and washing our hands and having a sensible little pod to hang around with works for us. It's not that hard -- although I know I am going to miss the theater season -- I never came late.:icon_wink:

But too many are being had by dysinformation. (Finally! Spellcheck let me spell that word with a 'y' instead of an 'i.' Makes a more accurate prefix.)

Boomer

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Hmmm
 

I didn't count the "I's" but there were tons of them...

Second or Third wave already 30 states are showing increases positive and shortage of hospital beds and nursing staff. Fact is there is NO NATIONAL STRATEGY we have 50 states going 50 different directions after 7 months!

Each state should go their own way. Wyoming is different from New York.

Is there a limit imposed on "I"s?

Science has progressed since the dawn of time. Wear a mask, socially distance, avoid crowds. Unfortunately, the quack who is now pushing herd immunity is going to kill millions of people.


QUOTE=Toymeister;1847677]Since the dawn of time there is one and only one cure for any virus, exposure. Be it from a vaccine or the the virus itself.

Thus be prepared to 'hunker down' for years. Or accept risks in your life as you have and continue to accept for the remainder of your life for virtually every activity in life.

And I will accept risks and enjoy life by not hunkering down.[/QUOTE]

We all have access to valid information that generally directs those at most risk to be the most careful. Just like anything else it is the individual's responsibility to act on the information that they have carefully sourced.

That is Darwin's survival of the fittest in a nutshell.

That is common sense. That is patience. That is strength.

Wyoming is the least populated state yet their cases are increasing. Nobody is trying!

Correct. I probably input a wrong number.

So 7,000 weeks is 134 years. Still the point is that it would take a long time for every person in the state to be infected at the rate that we are going.

I know, the infection rate would increase as more people got it but the state's population is also growing.

The point is that it would take a long, long time before every person in the state is infected.

You missed the point entirely. There is no "one size fits all" approach since the states are very different from each other. Just like the European countries are taking different approaches.

It's all over now I guess because we may not tell anyone how many cases Florida has every day. If we don't test or report positive cases it will go away.

Arguably, this is the worst national security issue we have had since WW2 and there should have been a national strategy to deal with it. Within the national strategy, you can make local allowances for population density, current case levels, and other key indicators. Every state had to reinvent the wheel and bid against each other for crucial supplies.

It is the start of flu season. Be careful.

I keep thinking about that long ago ad for the movie JAWS — “Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water.”

That’s how this mess makes me feel. We have been careful from the beginning, worn masks, washed our hands, have socialized with a few others we know are careful also, but done so outside.

I admit though that a few weeks ago, we were loosening up a little. Still being careful, following guidelines, but went inside a restaurant for the first time. Nice place. They had plexiglass between booths and seated people carefully. I was sitting across from only Mr. Boomer, all servers were masked. We entered masked but, of course, removed them for dinner, and it all felt fine. Almost normal.

But now, Ohio cases are on the rise again. My doc’s office called and changed my visit to Zoom because they want to limit as much in person as possible. Cases are now invading the suburbs with increasing numbers — suburbs where there are no nursing homes to include in the count. People know people who have died or are never the same after supposed recovery.

Thanksgiving plans are changing. (Maybe I can find a Cornish hen somewhere.) People are saying to avoid this year’s big gatherings so we will be around for next year. We attended a wedding — on Zoom.

Covid is getting a grip on parts of our Ohio county where it had not been much of a problem before.

This virus is not giving up. A virus needs a host so why in the hell do we have so many among us who insist on rolling out the Welcome Wagon.

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You are exactly right but people don't want to hear the truth and just feed in to the hysteria. Herd immunity is inevitable and we are just prolonging getting there.

Does it look like the first wave?

86 have died in Sumter county and 80% of all people who have died from Covid-19 were over 70.

Ebola killed about fifty percent of all infected but they developed a vaccine. Ebola was not as easily contagious, but far more deadly.
We had no good plan against Ebola in the U.S. Doctors were allowed to return to the U.S. from Africa and did not have to quarantine.

coronavirus deaths sumter county florida - Bing

There are limits to the power of our federal govt.

Sumter remains low and steady

So happy I live in Sumter :)

Governors want and have the legal obligation to plan a strategy for their state and the different states have different needs. Some state governors have been outraged when Feds wanted to step in with a national plan.

Dr. Fauci changes his tune and message on a rotating basis. Depends on who gets to him first. BTW, he's gonna be retiring real soon!!! I'd say don't trust a deep stater, read an unbiased scientific factual article you can trust. CNBC? Really biased reporting. Wouldn't trust them for anything. Whatever you do, do not trust reports coming from JB. Making up "scientific fact" seems to be his MO lately. Think for yourself, don't believe everything you read.