[Sgroemm]

Unfortunately in today's times we have to think about what we would do if an active shooter entered our church, school, supermarket, etc. For thirty years as a school teacher, we have been teaching the children to hide (shelter in place with lights off, door locked and out of sight as possible). Remember the Ft. Lauderdale Airport shooting....people ducked down and tried to hide...most in plain sight. Fort Lauderdale Airport Shooting Surveillance Video - YouTube We were asked as teachers to listen to the 911 tape of a teacher in the library during the Columbine High School shooting...she repeatedly told the students to get down under a desk. It has been protocol for years....and probably our first instinct (duck and cover).

Our new protocol is nicknamed ALICE and includes such things as Counter: create noise, movement, distance or a distraction. Lockdown and barricade: lock the door and move anything you can to barricade the door. Evacuate: run, if possible, get out (the students in the library at Columbine had an exit door that led directly outside) Alert: recognize the threat and act as soon as possible (override the panic and freeze response) Inform: communicate (via 911, text, intercom, etc.) where the threat is to others (I can evacuate if I know the threat is on the other side of the building from my location vs. barricade if it is close)

Interesting information....unfortunately something we must think about.

[zmarkp]

If teachers, with proper training, were allowed to carry concealed weapons, that active shooter would soon become the extinct shooter.

[billethkid]

We were having an "active shooter" response discussion the other night......some of us that carry.

We focused on the aspect of responding that needs much thought.
In an active shooter situation when confronted with the mayhem and confusion a potential armed responder needs to remember they will become "another shooter" in all the confusion....a person with a gun.

A subject that is not very often discussed....openly.
And one of significance. All who carry are well intended. All who carry have varying degrees of training and experience.
All who carry need to be consciously aware they become "a shooter" in the eyes of many in panic mode.

An excellent question for advice from law enforcement.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by billethkid

We were having an "active shooter" response discussion the other night......some of us that carry.

We focused on the aspect of responding that needs much thought.
In an active shooter situation when confronted with the mayhem and confusion a potential armed responder needs to remember they will become "another shooter" in all the confusion....a person with a gun.

A subject that is not very often discussed....openly.
And one of significance. All who carry are well intended. All who carry have varying degrees of training and experience.
All who carry need to be consciously aware they become "a shooter" in the eyes of many in panic mode.

An excellent question for advice from law enforcement.

A very important concern. How to know the good guys from the bad guys when bullets are flying? That Las Vegas shooter would have appeared like many Villagers when walking around those casinos.

[graciegirl]

But we are all far more likely to fall prey to the grim reaper.

Concentrate on the joys of TODAY. Go out and buy some good chocolates.

[rubicon]

I don't want to appear naive' or unaware but why have we allowed ourselves to each this level?

What caused us to capitulate to these set of circumstances?

What compromises did we make and why?

Why do we settle for the status quo?

What are we teaching our children? Better question not teaching them?

Personal Best Regards:

[Allegiance]

Originally Posted by rubicon

I don't want to appear naive' or unaware but why have we allowed ourselves to each this level?

What caused us to capitulate to these set of circumstances?

What compromises did we make and why?

Why do we settle for the status quo?

What are we teaching our children? Better question not teaching them?

Personal Best Regards:

When concealed carry reciprocity goes National you will see a decrease in crime although the media will focus solely on the red herring.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by rubicon

I don't want to appear naive' or unaware but why have we allowed ourselves to each this level?

What caused us to capitulate to these set of circumstances?

What compromises did we make and why?

Why do we settle for the status quo?

What are we teaching our children? Better question not teaching them?

Personal Best Regards:

Good concerns.

It could happen in the Villages but is probably quite unlikely but best to be prepared if it does.

[Sandtrap328]

The concealed carry idea is a two edged sword. Yes, a bad guy shooter could be taken out by a good guy shooter - or the good guy shooter could accidentally take out bystanders. Very, very few of the carriers in The Villages have used a handgun in a stressful shootout situation ever and those who have, not in years.

My advice is to stay alert wherever you are and to not be complacent that something will never happen. Know options to leave quickly.

A concealed carrier at the town square just may have had the Happy Hour special when he (or she) wrongly thinks they heard someone yell "Gun" and whips theirs out. A chain reaction of slightly tipsy senior John Wayne wannabees make for a tragic scenario. Not likely, we hope, but certainly possible. N'cest pas?

[Fredster]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

The concealed carry idea is a two edged sword. Yes, a bad guy shooter could be taken out by a good guy shooter - or the good guy shooter could accidentally take out bystanders. Very, very few of the carriers in The Villages have used a handgun in a stressful shootout situation ever and those who have, not in years.

My advice is to stay alert wherever you are and to not be complacent that something will never happen. Know options to leave quickly.

A concealed carrier at the town square just may have had the Happy Hour special when he (or she) wrongly thinks they heard someone yell "Gun" and whips theirs out. A chain reaction of slightly tipsy senior John Wayne wannabees make for a tragic scenario. Not likely, we hope, but certainly possible. N'cest pas?

Not too worried about a tipsy John Wayne, but what is
a far greater probability in TV,
is someone over imbibing before,
during and after happy hour,
and then driving their vehicle home while severely impaired!

[Uberschaf]

I don't believe it's legal to carry a firearm in the squares because they are an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Uberschaf

I don't believe it's legal to carry a firearm in the squares because they are an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption.

I think NOT!!!!!
Just how far would the establishment extend? Never mind just trying to be funny!!

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Uberschaf

I don't believe it's legal to carry a firearm in the squares because they are an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption.

Very Legal.