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Guitarman1951 05-07-2021 07:01 AM

Den expansion
 
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Originally Posted by Juliewaters (Post 1940218)
We have a Gardenia model and need to add a closet to the 3rd bedroom as it does not have one.
Has anyone hired a contractor to do this?
If so, can you please provide details cost and contact details of the contractor.
Thank you very much
Julie

We have a big yard with plenty of room to the side of the house where the den is. That room was way too small. We had that outside wall knocked out, the room expanded 10 feet out with a safe room, 7' by 8' added behind that, outside wall of hall bath. We put shelves in that room so it can be used as a walk in closet but had a 36" wide heavy door at the entrance. Since our walls are all solid concrete blocks, we wanted a windowless room that we could use as a safe room during hurricanes, tropical storms or tornadoes. Used it during Irma but also as extra secured storage space. $28,000 but the contractor, out of Tavares, may not be in business anymore. They did an excellent job, McCloskey Homes.

Rzepecki 05-07-2021 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1940389)
Lots of bedrooms here do not have closet.

We are in a 3 bedroom Begonia and front bedroom is closetless.

Bedrooms without closets are called “dens”.

dshoberg 05-07-2021 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1940396)
It’s not a 3 bedroom home. It is a 2 bedroom plus a den.

Exactly....we bought a 2 BR 2BA with a den Begonia

richs631 05-07-2021 07:43 AM

Who cares what it’s called or if it’s legal. The original poster wanted a contractor and cost

Chi-Town 05-07-2021 07:44 AM

A friend has a Gardenia with a murphy bed. Makes for a good den/office with an option to provide a sleeping solution for visiting guests.

douglange 05-07-2021 07:45 AM

Victorian homes never had a closet in the bedroom - so I guess they were bedroomless homes

MandoMan 05-07-2021 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by shut the front door (Post 1940383)
How can they sell you a 3 BR home if a bedroom doesn't have a closet? I thought that was a requirement to call it a 3BR.

If it doesn’t have a closet, it’s an office or study or hobby room. However, lots of visitors live out of a suitcase and bring hardly any clothes. Often, a sturdy hook screwed into a stud is plenty for any hanging clothes and perhaps a folding suitcase stand.

MEbner2805 05-07-2021 08:00 AM

Where are you going to put a closet when the bathroom is on other side of the wall and right wall is by front door?
Just have the closet companies here to build you one in the corner as a space saver with a shelf and short hanging bar like we do inside our closets! I have a gardenia and that’s a very small room so you don’t want to cut it smaller. An open closet built in corner is a nice add. I just kept mine a nice den with a loveseat and Big TV and small desk.

G.R.I.T.S. 05-07-2021 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1940389)
Lots of bedrooms here do not have closet.

We are in a 3 bedroom Begonia and front bedroom is closetless.

...then it’s NOT a bedroom.

G.R.I.T.S. 05-07-2021 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1940389)
Lots of bedrooms here do not have closet.

We are in a 3 bedroom Begonia and front bedroom is closetless.

...then it’s NOT a bedroom.

G.R.I.T.S. 05-07-2021 08:09 AM

Actually state real estate regs say bedrooms must have closets.

acornhome 05-07-2021 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 1940571)
Realtor license school references Section 200 of the Florida Building code.

What is a Bedroom as Defined by Florida Building Code?

but then again, if the TV marketing reps aren't licenses realtors, then they can call it whatever they want, as they have no code of ethics. . .

legal guy who stayed at a Holiday Inn last night :popcorn:

You are wrong. We are all licensed and I have top notch ethics. Please stop dispelling rumors about people who have studied and earn the privilege of selling homes through the state of Florida.
OP: usually the advertising says “ third bedroom without a closet”. Yours didn’t I understand.

davem4616 05-07-2021 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by shut the front door (Post 1940383)
How can they sell you a 3 BR home if a bedroom doesn't have a closet? I thought that was a requirement to call it a 3BR.

It's not marketed as a 3 BR....it's marketed as 2BR, 1 den or (2-1-2)

rogerk 05-07-2021 08:35 AM

call Doc's Restoration. VERY professional and great quality of work. Great warranty and reliability.

bxmt54 05-07-2021 08:57 AM

Gardenia/Beginia
 
When we bought our Begonia in 2011, it was advertised as a 2/2/1. Meaning there were two bedrooms, two baths and a den. I thought that was how it was still listed today for both the gardenia and the begonia.

Dotneko 05-07-2021 09:01 AM

Depends. You can stretch the front or side of a gardenia and add the closet to make it a 3 bedroom. If bedroom or den 3 has a witches hat, then it is stretched.
So, gardenias, begonias, sunflowers can go either 2 or 3 bedrooms

Daddymac 05-07-2021 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1940389)
Lots of bedrooms here do not have closet.

We are in a 3 bedroom Begonia and front bedroom is closetless.

It’s NOT a 3 Bedroom, It’s 2 bedrooms and a Den ! :welcome:

Stu from NYC 05-07-2021 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by davem4616 (Post 1940746)
It's not marketed as a 3 BR....it's marketed as 2BR, 1 den or (2-1-2)

Ours was marketed as a 3 bedroom. Even had villages real estate person picture on her offering.

We will still use it as a combo office/bedroom.

The Village Sun has a couple of pages of real estate and almost all houses are listed as 3 bedrooms when the agents know that it is not really true in most cases.

New Englander 05-07-2021 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1940474)
from where i’m from, that floor plan should be called a 2 bedroom plus den. A bedroom should have a closet to be called a bedroom. Right???

yes

New Englander 05-07-2021 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1940534)
Decided to pull out the info that came with the house and see what we actually purchased.

The literature that was put out by a properties of the Villages sales rep says the house is 3 bedroom and 2 bath. The reps picture is even on the literature.

The Begonia floor plan does say what we thought was the third bedroom is actually a den. Strangely enough the third bedroom (as we will continue to call it) is actually a drop bigger than the second bedroom (which does come with a closet).

Not going to do anything about it but wow were we misled.

It goes to show you that you can't believe everything the sales dept. tells you.

pattik 05-07-2021 10:06 AM

Gardenia with 3rd bedroom closet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Juliewaters (Post 1940218)
We have a Gardenia model and need to add a closet to the 3rd bedroom as it does not have one.
Has anyone hired a contractor to do this?
If so, can you please provide details cost and contact details of the contractor.
Thank you very much
Julie

I added a closet to the front bedroom. I put it on the wall to the left. It is 46" wide and 29" deep with a bi-fold door. There's still enough room on the window wall for hanging curtains. The bedroom door opens against this wall, then I have a chest of drawers, then the closet. This left me with the big window and 2 big walls for beds. The closet is a good size and not intrusive. You're welcome to come take a look. The handyman that did it is now retired. I'm not sure what I paid but think it was around $500-600,

DAVES 05-07-2021 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1940554)
Oh well. Just keep enjoying your room and don’t give its name another thought.

In one of the houses we have had up north, the office/den/no-closet room was called a bedroom by not only the real estate agent, but also by the property tax site. I knew it was not a bedroom, but we liked the house and it had enough bedrooms — and the last thing I wanted to do was rattle the tax guy’s cage to try to get the assessment to list fewer bedrooms. The room became my office and was used by me to type many a TOTV post.

(Btw, yes, like somebody here said, this thread might be slightly off track — but that’s OK. My people call this kind of thing a nice conversation. And nobody is mad at anybody over closet/no closet — although, the evening is yet young. )

And, now, for a segue into TOTV history — about threads jumping the track:

Many years ago when the room here was small because the site had just started, threads would get a little sideways into conversations.

There were those who would holler, “Hijack!” It was hollered in good fun — well. . .usually in good fun.

Anyway, that was when the long-running “Girl Talk” thread was started by Barefoot. “No Boys Allowed” — because everybody knows that women can follow at least 3 — maybe more — conversations at one time — and participate in all of them — and there will be no complaints about staying on topic.

Haven’t any of you guys ever noticed that when you are out to dinner with a woman, she can talk with you while filtering conversations from another table and/or the booth behind you — and fill you in. We can’t help it.

The “Girl Talk” thread is in the Feminine Forum. There you can see the archives of TOTV. It goes way back, jumps from topic to topic, and everybody involved does just fine. (I have not looked at the thread lately. I hope it is still up and running. Maybe I will go check.)

Anyway, thanks for the conversation, and for the OP, I wish all the best with the closet project.

Boomer

On that topic. My dad night before I got married gave me some sage advice. If, you think you understand your wife. You are wrong. On the off chance that you are right
don't be concerned it will shortly be spun so that you are wrong. It is a good thing as we age your hearing gets worse. To the guys, if you say yes just to shut her up, you will later be told but you agreed.

No charge marriage counseling.

DAVES 05-07-2021 10:21 AM

Further proof. People will argue about anything.

In the end-does it really matter.

In terms of adding a closet for guests in a Gardenia. Another option is a HOTEL LIST in your office.

Stu from NYC 05-07-2021 10:44 AM

In todays mail there is an advertisement for a Begonia by a villages agent.

sure enough it says it is a 3/3.

Spikearoni 05-07-2021 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1940789)
Ours was marketed as a 3 bedroom. Even had villages real estate person picture on her offering.

We will still use it as a combo office/bedroom.

The Village Sun has a couple of pages of real estate and almost all houses are listed as 3 bedrooms when the agents know that it is not really true in most cases.

Some Gardenias, Begonias, and Sunflowers have a closet in all the bedrooms so they can be listed as a 3 bedroom home.

Spikearoni 05-07-2021 10:50 AM

[QUOTE=Stu from NYC;1940826]In todays mail there is an advertisement for a Begonia by a villages agent.

sure enough it says it is a 3/3.[

Then it most likely has a closet in all the bedrooms. Why not call and check it out?

dhsmith 05-07-2021 11:51 AM

Closet
 
Please people give it up they don’t care whether it’s called a bedroom or den they just want to know how much the dam closet will cost to bill.

Laker14 05-07-2021 11:55 AM

Gotta love TOTV... OP asks for referrals for a project.
65 (66 counting this useless post) posts later, OP has received two direct answers, and 40 posts arguing about whether or not the room in question is a bedroom or a den,

now a handful and one posts about threads jumping the track,
and of course, the mandatory handful of "No you don't want to do that, do what I did"s...

I'm going to make this post slightly less useless, I have no first hand knowledge, but I have three close friends who swear by Doc's, as mentioned in a previous post.

I have a Gardenia, myself, with no closet in what I refer to as the "Music-Exercise-Business Office-Guest Room-but not a Bedroom Room". I hope to hear, and see some pictures of your finished result.

Good Luck.

Stu from NYC 05-07-2021 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 1940853)
Gotta love TOTV... OP asks for referrals for a project.
65 (66 counting this useless post) posts later, OP has received two direct answers, and 40 posts arguing about whether or not the room in question is a bedroom or a den,

now a handful and one posts about threads jumping the track,
and of course, the mandatory handful of "No you don't want to do that, do what I did"s...

I'm going to make this post slightly less useless, I have no first hand knowledge, but I have three close friends who swear by Doc's, as mentioned in a previous post.

I have a Gardenia, myself, with no closet in what I refer to as the "Music-Exercise-Business Office-Guest Room-but not a Bedroom Room". I hope to hear, and see some pictures of your finished result.

Good Luck.

By discussing the closet or lack thereof taking peoples mind of their troubles.

lawgolfer 05-07-2021 01:41 PM

Easy substitute for closet
 
We just remodeled a Gardenia and faced the same problem of there being no closet in the 3rd bedroom.

As we were having new cabinets installed in the kitchen, we had the contractor install a pre-fab "pantry" cabinet as a substitute for a closet. He left out the shelf in the bottom part and added a clothes rod. These "pantry" cabinets are available in single door and double door and range up to 36" in width. The top part of the cabinet will hold one or two shelves. Home Depot and Lowe's have many models of pantry cabinets.

One cabinet should be sufficient for short-term visitors. If you want more space, add a second cabinet.

The cabinets look great and their use avoids the muss or fuss of installing sheetrock and painting as would be required when adding a conventional closet.

Bellavita 05-07-2021 02:38 PM

Legally it is no a bedroom without a closet. They us den or possible 3rd bedroom

meme5x 05-07-2021 03:07 PM

Jerry Donna, who is with Patriots built a closet in den of our Gardenia in the corner.. didn’t take up a lot of room and hence, qualified as 3rd bedroom.. did spectacular job!

dewilson58 05-07-2021 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by G.R.I.T.S. (Post 1940732)
Actually state real estate regs say bedrooms must have closets.

Not all states.

Barborv 05-07-2021 04:17 PM

I'm looking to expand my closet in my master bedroom. I made a appt. with T and D construction, Wickham construction , Gingerich construction. I figured I need a construction company because they will have to break open to the outside of house and expand on the side. We had a closet built in our garage last year by Greg Corne . 352-212-4850

Stu from NYC 05-07-2021 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Barborv (Post 1940940)
I'm looking to expand my closet in my master bedroom. I made a appt. with T and D construction, Wickham construction , Gingerich construction. I figured I need a construction company because they will have to break open to the outside of house and expand on the side. We had a closet built in our garage last year by Greg Corne . 352-212-4850

Will the ARC approve this since your expanding the house?

Juliewaters 06-08-2021 05:39 PM

Thank you for the referral to ESP Installations
 
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Originally Posted by dhsmith (Post 1940419)
ESP installation (Jordan)386-344-2447
5 years ago the price was $1000.00
Did a great job.

Thank you so vey much for the referral. I called Jordan at ESP installations and he installed a closet. He did an absolutely beautiful job and I am so happy now that I have a closet in the bedroom.
Thanks again


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