Originally Posted by upstate (Post 923896)

I have performed CPR many times in over forty years and yes it can be strenuous with or without a relief. Personally, to me it's a small price to pay for the possibility of assisting in saving a life.

Originally Posted by newguyintv (Post 924029)

Yes it was! We all know that there are AED's and trained Employees in all the places listed in your attachment. Yes, there have been a few success stories associated with those locations.

The point you are missing is that there is no commonality between the location of AED's and trained personal in public places and the neighborhood AED program. All I can tell you is that hundreds of thousands have been spent on the neighborhood programs and I have yet to see a single bit of corroborated evidence that any of these neighborhood devices or volunteers have been used successfully or otherwise. Granted, in general, training of many residents in CPR is very valuable and commendable and valuable.

If you can refute what I say by providing evidence of actual life saving situations directly as a result of the neighborhood programs I might reconsider my opinion. If there are any such cases that are documented they should include details about how much faster neighborhood volunteers responded than the traditional rescue teams.

Without supporting detail, I have little choice but to maintain that the neighborhood program is excessively expensive and motivated by emotion rather than facts. Lets see some facts from the neighborhood program alone, not from the few success stories that originated in public places where the use of AED's and trained personnel has been proven to make sense.

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 924100)

Having been a party to some of the original studies to determine if we as a village should go forward I can tell you that your statement is unequivocally WRONG. And I suspect I am reporting like wise for many other villages that decided to go forward.

You are entitled to YOUR opinion but please do not insult those of us who in fact know better.

Originally Posted by newguyintv (Post 924029)

Without supporting detail, I have little choice but to maintain that the neighborhood program is excessively expensive and motivated by emotion rather than facts. Lets see some facts from the neighborhood program alone, not from the few success stories that originated in public places where the use of AED's and trained personnel has been proven to make sense.

Originally Posted by newguyintv (Post 924029)

Yes it was! We all know that there are AED's and trained Employees in all the places listed in your attachment. Yes, there have been a few success stories associated with those locations.



The point you are missing is that there is no commonality between the location of AED's and trained personal in public places and the neighborhood AED program. All I can tell you is that hundreds of thousands have been spent on the neighborhood programs and I have yet to see a single bit of corroborated evidence that any of these neighborhood devices or volunteers have been used successfully or otherwise. Granted, in general, training of many residents in CPR is very valuable and commendable and valuable.



If you can refute what I say by providing evidence of actual life saving situations directly as a result of the neighborhood programs I might reconsider my opinion. If there are any such cases that are documented they should include details about how much faster neighborhood volunteers responded than the traditional rescue teams.



Without supporting detail, I have little choice but to maintain that the neighborhood program is excessively expensive and motivated by emotion rather than facts. Lets see some facts from the neighborhood program alone, not from the few success stories that originated in public places where the use of AED's and trained personnel has been proven to make sense.

Originally Posted by mikeod (Post 924172)

Excessively expensive? No. We have 64 houses in our neighborhood. The cost to buy two units with mounting hardware was less than $50 per household and part of that was because not everyone participated. Annually, we pay $15 to cover the alert service and provide a fund for replacement batteries.

Yes, the program is certainly based partly on emotion. None of the trained volunteers would be comfortable standing around unable to help one of our friends suffering a sudden cardiac event when the technology to make a great difference in their chances of survival is readily available.

I would suggest that you follow your thinking and refuse to participate in a neighborhood program. I'm sure your neighbors will respond if you need them whether you paid the "excessive" amount or not.

Originally Posted by newguyintv (Post 924169)

I did not, nor did I have any intention of insulting anyone. I am simply asking if you have FACTS to support the value of the neighborhood program. My guess is that you do not and accordingly my contention that emotion is the deciding factor is correct.

Originally Posted by newguyintv (Post 924169)

I did not, nor did I have any intention of insulting anyone. I am simply asking if you have FACTS to support the value of the neighborhood program. My guess is that you do not and accordingly my contention that emotion is the deciding factor is correct.

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 924202)

You may have your contention or opinion all day long......as one is entitled to such. It does not entitle one to make a personal arbitrary condition of validity.



The tenor of the posts have an all too familiar ring.



Be happy I your quest!

Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 924204)

I'm just happy my village is covered and we have enough friends who care to participate in the program. It works in hospitals and I have no doubt it works in neighborhoods.

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 924264)

Oh I wish I could have been alert enough to think of that response:



It works in hospitals

Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 924278)

In our neighborhood the drills have similar response times to codes called hospitals. No need to be facetious.

Originally Posted by newguyintv (Post 924029)

Yes it was! We all know that there are AED's and trained Employees in all the places listed in your attachment. Yes, there have been a few success stories associated with those locations.

The point you are missing is that there is no commonality between the location of AED's and trained personal in public places and the neighborhood AED program. All I can tell you is that hundreds of thousands have been spent on the neighborhood programs and I have yet to see a single bit of corroborated evidence that any of these neighborhood devices or volunteers have been used successfully or otherwise. Granted, in general, training of many residents in CPR is very valuable and commendable and valuable.

If you can refute what I say by providing evidence of actual life saving situations directly as a result of the neighborhood programs I might reconsider my opinion. If there are any such cases that are documented they should include details about how much faster neighborhood volunteers responded than the traditional rescue teams.

Without supporting detail, I have little choice but to maintain that the neighborhood program is excessively expensive and motivated by emotion rather than facts. Lets see some facts from the neighborhood program alone, not from the few success stories that originated in public places where the use of AED's and trained personnel has been proven to make sense.

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 924264)

Oh I wish I could have been alert enough to think of that response:

It works in hospitals