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Fore! 01-28-2021 08:47 AM

Not necessarily the size that matters
 
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Originally Posted by Buzzerbaby (Post 1893562)
I have a pit bull, she’s a fantastic dog. Personally, I would not let her off leash in an uncontrolled environment. Btw, I’ve been bitten more often from little dogs like chihuahuas then larger breeds. In fact I’d venture to say that little dogs do bite more then larger dogs, you just don’t hear about it as often because they don’t do the damage that larger breeds can. To ban a certain breed is ludicrous, kind of like banning someone of a different color or ethnicity beacause they supposedly are more (insert whatever reason you want here) then others. Just like people, dogs are products of their environment and owners/parents. Flame away ������

I have to agree with you that it’s not always the size of the dog. We rescued a Pekingese. He bit a friend, my husband, small minor bites, however the third time he literally attacked my arm. He bit me in several places. He was friendly with other dogs, however one never knew when he would “turn” on us, so unfortunately after about $2000 in expenses of supplies, special food, vet bills, training and my Urgent Care visit, we retuned him to the rescue shelter. They adopted him out again to a lady with a young ( appears about 8) child! I did report it to the appropriate people.

allenpegg1@gmail.com 01-28-2021 08:47 AM

Leash?
 
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Originally Posted by Buzzerbaby (Post 1893562)
I have a pit bull, she’s a fantastic dog. Personally, I would not let her off leash in an uncontrolled environment. Btw, I’ve been bitten more often from little dogs like chihuahuas then larger breeds. In fact I’d venture to say that little dogs do bite more then larger dogs, you just don’t hear about it as often because they don’t do the damage that larger breeds can. To ban a certain breed is ludicrous, kind of like banning someone of a different color or ethnicity beacause they supposedly are more (insert whatever reason you want here) then others. Just like people, dogs are products of their environment and owners/parents. Flame away ������

I'd be willing to bet that your Pit, in an instant, can break away from you by unexpectedly snatching the leash from your hand...

giorgio1948 01-28-2021 08:49 AM

Any dog owner that loses CONTROL of their dog is legally obligated for damages and should be taken to civil court.

meboyle 01-28-2021 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Piedmonter (Post 1893518)
A small (10 lb.) dog was attacked in our neighborhood the other night by an a large pit bull off leash. The small dog was very badly injured and only saved by his owner being willing to wrestle with the pit bull. The covenant restrictions of the Villages clearly do not allow dogs over 40 lbs. I am not necessarily in favor of that since there are many very nice, friendly labs, goldens etc. However, I do think that action should be taken when a larger dog shows itself to be dangerously aggressive. The Villages says that they cannot enforce the covenant. All they can do is send the owner of the pit bull a letter that when the dog passes away not to get another one like it. I am now very nervous when I walk my small dog at night. Perhaps the developer should consider amending the covenants to prohibit specific breeds known to be aggressive. For example, many campgrounds prohibit pit bulls and rotweillers.

You said the pit was off leash? Why? All dogs have to be on a leash. Why can’t the Villages fine, or get a warning from Animal Control?
Hope the little guy is okay.
I had a small Derbyshire pit, he was a lap dog..so it’s the owner who needs training!

Skunky1 01-28-2021 08:50 AM

Bad dog caretaker
 
Pets are considered part of the family in some Households. They provide love, friendship, and emotional support. You have cared for them and love them as if they were one of your children. When that pet is attacked and battered The incident should be treated as if it was an attack on a child. Your pet has been traumatized and brutalized. You too have suffered tremendous emotional stress from this incident.Your pain and suffering is compensable. Your pursuit of this matter would serve to send a message to other pet caretakers that they must be responsible.

Larchap49 01-28-2021 08:51 AM

You should have had him put down. Sad but he will continue to bite and now that's on you

airstreamingypsy 01-28-2021 08:51 AM

This story is so vague. Why was the dog off leash? Does the Pit's owner live in The Villages, or a neighboring property. Never heard of weight restrictions for dogs, in The Villages. The fact is that particular Pit is a vicious dog and should be destroyed. The Pit's owner is 100% responsible for any and all vet bills and I would get a lawyer and sue for allowing the dog to be out and off leash. I had a Pit try to kill one of my dogs, the owner was horrified, paid all the vet bills etc..... it was traumatizing for involved. Advise your neighbor to call the police and a lawyer.

Skunky1 01-28-2021 08:52 AM

Aggressive dog
 
The aggressive dog owner should’ve been arrested and taken to jail. The dog should’ve been taken to quarantine and evaluated by a specialist.

DAVES 01-28-2021 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1893557)
You never included any info about the owner of the dog? Is he or she a neighbor, is the owner known, did anyone talk to the owner, was owner present and aware of the situation? There are leash laws which are not covenants but enforceable laws.

It appears you live in Piedmont, if a human was injured trying to defend their pet, then call the Marion County Sheriff. If there was just an aggressive dog attack against another dog, then call Marion County Animal Control. Get the dog's owner's name and information and present them with the vet bill. If they refuse to pay and the amount is more than $300 take them to small claims court. I would report them to the CDD and have it on record. That's what I would do, forget the covenants.

Animal control and pet laws | Marion County, FL

Re: small claims court.
Someone corrected me. Where we used to live, small claims was perhaps as I think it should be a peoples court. The cost to file a suit was like $18. To do it right, to win and then to collect is a lot of work. I did it twice. That is in 70 years Both times I won and both times I collected. Here in Florida, it is far more expensive and the court take a significant percentage.

Chitown 01-28-2021 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Catalina36 (Post 1893698)
All Dogs within TV should be on a leash when you are out in your yard or walking your dog in the street. I really don't care what breed the dog is. I don't really care how much your dog weighs, I really don't care if you think your dog is friendly. You can only control your dog when it is on a leash. The safety of your neighbors or fellow Villagers should be more important then the rights you think your dog may have too roam free and not be on a leash. If you don't like my opinion, go purchase a house somewhere else with a fenced in yard if you want your dog to roam free. If you don't understand anything I just stated then you are the problem not your dog.

I could not have said it better. I have 2 dogs myself. I would never consider walking my dogs without a leash. Common sense tells you that at any moment anything can trigger a dog to attack a person or another dog. When I see a dog owner walking their dog down the street or worse at the town squares without a leash I can’t help but wonder why they would act so brazen. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. Have your dog leashed when walking him or her!

jh214 01-28-2021 08:56 AM

Carry pepper spray to start. If your dog is attacked, I would suggest suing the dog owner. Dogs cannot be running loose. Next time it could be a child attacked.

graciegirl 01-28-2021 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 1893816)
This story is so vague. Why was the dog off leash? Does the Pit's owner live in The Villages, or a neighboring property. Never heard of weight restrictions for dogs, in The Villages. The fact is that particular Pit is a vicious dog and should be destroyed. The Pit's owner is 100% responsible for any and all vet bills and I would get a lawyer and sue for allowing the dog to be out and off leash. I had a Pit try to kill one of my dogs, the owner was horrified, paid all the vet bills etc..... it was traumatizing for involved. Advise your neighbor to call the police and a lawyer.

It is my opinion that the original post had incorrect information. Pets must be leashed in The Villages. If someone was on another's property than the local law enforcement could be called. I have never heard of a weight limit on dogs here.

I agree with Airstream Gypsy the original post was very vague. Where did this happen? Who allegedly did the OP speak to from "The Villages".

Sometimes people who are anonymous deliberately post misinformation to make others upset. I have to wonder; did this happen at all?

DAVES 01-28-2021 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Fore! (Post 1893807)
I have to agree with you that it’s not always the size of the dog. We rescued a Pekingese. He bit a friend, my husband, small minor bites, however the third time he literally attacked my arm. He bit me in several places. He was friendly with other dogs, however one never knew when he would “turn” on us, so unfortunately after about $2000 in expenses of supplies, special food, vet bills, training and my Urgent Care visit, we retuned him to the rescue shelter. They adopted him out again to a lady with a young ( appears about 8) child! I did report it to the appropriate people.

A rescue dog, is sort of like a used car. They are all perfect but someone decided to trade it in, often for a valid reason. Forgive me, but you should have put that dog down.
My sister, has adopted 3-4 dogs over many years. One was bad news. Genetics, previous owner she never knew. The dog would see totally normal and then attack with no warning at all. It was far larger than your Pekingese. She was advised by a vet to put it down.

Topspinmo 01-28-2021 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzzerbaby (Post 1893562)
I have a pit bull, she’s a fantastic dog. Personally, I would not let her off leash in an uncontrolled environment. Btw, I’ve been bitten more often from little dogs like chihuahuas then larger breeds. In fact I’d venture to say that little dogs do bite more then larger dogs, you just don’t hear about it as often because they don’t do the damage that larger breeds can. To ban a certain breed is ludicrous, kind of like banning someone of a different color or ethnicity beacause they supposedly are more (insert whatever reason you want here) then others. Just like people, dogs are products of their environment and owners/parents. Flame away ������


But the don’t kill or clamp down and not let go. Just cause you’re pit bull not killer don’t mean other are not or you’re might flip switch. Pit bulls that are aggressive hard hard control on leash, some can break free form the owner. In this case the d—- dog wasn’t even lashed.

So, don’t defend irresponsible owner or aggressive dog that can kill.

Topspinmo 01-28-2021 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by scottiesrgreat@gmail.com (Post 1893760)
As a dog owner - my dog is on a leash AT ALL times - I also take precautions to keep my distance when walking near anyone else with a dog. What I THINK the traits and threat associated w/ a breed is - is IRRELEVANT- Any dog can bite. A bite from a fuzzy, cute, wiggly mutt - is just as serious as a bite from a dog - all you dog ‘experts’ out there label as ‘Pit Bull’.

Please —- keep in mind —- it is irrelevant and irresponsible to think that only one size or one “breed” can be any more dangerous than any other — please - never take your guard down - it is YOUR responsibility - even if your dog or another dog has always been (or appears to be) - cute, fuzzy, and wiggly - your dog (or someone else’s dog) still has the potential to bite and do injury - given the right circumstances! Be responsible dog & cat owners! Dogs need their owners/handlers to make the right choices. Don’t expect others to be responsible - in any scenario!!!!

The little mutts don’t crush bones or tear chunks of flesh or clamps down and won’t let go, so there no comparison to dogs that can kill other dogs and humans. It’s not just large terriers and large dog that been bread to protect.

Topspinmo 01-28-2021 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1893829)
It is my opinion that the original post had incorrect information. Pets must be leashed in The Villages. If someone was on another's property than the local law enforcement could be called. I have never heard of a weight limit on dogs here.

I agree with Airstream Gypsy the original post was very vague. Where did this happen? Who allegedly did the OP speak to from "The Villages".

Sometimes people who are anonymous deliberately post misinformation to make others upset. I have to wonder; did this happen at all?

Only limit on two pets, but, lots don’t follow rules.

Malsua 01-28-2021 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Larry chappel (Post 1893798)
Using a baton on a pitbull or other attacking dog would probably result in the dog turning on you. The gun seems like it would result in a better ending. I'm just not sure a dog attacking another dog and not a person would fall into the justification to discharge a firearm in a populated area ordinance.

If a dog is mauling my Bichon, I am defending his life. I'll take my chances with a jury if it comes to it. It won't because FL has laws on the books, see below.

In NJ, the other place I live, if a bear or other wild animal is attacking your pet or livestock, you can kill it as well. I'm not sure if it applies to aggressive dogs, but probably .

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The 2020 Florida Statutes
Title XLV
TORTS
Chapter 767
DAMAGE BY DOGS; DANGEROUS DOGS
View Entire Chapter
767.03 Good defense for killing dog.—In any action for damages or of a criminal prosecution against any person for killing or injuring a dog, satisfactory proof that said dog had been or was killing any animal included in the definitions of “domestic animal” and “livestock” as provided by s. 585.01 shall constitute a good defense to either of such actions.
History.—s. 1, ch. 4978, 1901; GS 3144; RGS 4959; CGL 7046; s. 1, ch. 79-315; s. 2, ch. 94-339.

CFrance 01-28-2021 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1893663)
In district 6 this is the deed restriction:

Really friendly nanny goat free to a good home.

SteveT 01-28-2021 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe V. (Post 1893617)
How many cases makes just one "ton?"

In a recent 15-year period from 2005 to 2019, pit bulls killed 346 Americans, about one citizen every 16 days. 15 By 2024, the pit bull death toll is projected to reach 512 Americans since 1998, the year the CDC stopped tracking fatal dog attacks by breed, and over 590 Americans since 1980.
Remember these cases are DEATHS, thousands of people have their flesh ripped off by pitbulls each year. Many of them are scarred for life, and many of them are innocent children and senior citizens.

jmcica@aol.com 01-28-2021 09:58 AM

I would NOT want to live in a neighborhood where there is a pitbull- my opinion- please dont criticize me.

jimjamuser 01-28-2021 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Piedmonter (Post 1893518)
A small (10 lb.) dog was attacked in our neighborhood the other night by an a large pit bull off leash. The small dog was very badly injured and only saved by his owner being willing to wrestle with the pit bull. The covenant restrictions of the Villages clearly do not allow dogs over 40 lbs. I am not necessarily in favor of that since there are many very nice, friendly labs, goldens etc. However, I do think that action should be taken when a larger dog shows itself to be dangerously aggressive. The Villages says that they cannot enforce the covenant. All they can do is send the owner of the pit bull a letter that when the dog passes away not to get another one like it. I am now very nervous when I walk my small dog at night. Perhaps the developer should consider amending the covenants to prohibit specific breeds known to be aggressive. For example, many campgrounds prohibit pit bulls and rotweillers.

Pit Bulls should be illegal to own in the entire US.

Taltarzac725 01-28-2021 10:04 AM

Pit bull - Wikipedia

Others have brought this up. There are various different dog breeds and mixes put into this emotion charged label.

Worth a look-- Daddy (dog - Wikipedia)

pmken2 01-28-2021 10:07 AM

I believe that Sumter has leash laws. I would contact them.

Topspinmo 01-28-2021 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1893878)
Pit bull - Wikipedia

Others have brought this up. There are various different dog breeds and mixes put into this emotion charged label.


Naturally emotional charged when you’re pet get killed or you’re mate. Does anybody remember the lady coming out of her apartment and lady dog owner with two pit bulls mulled and killed her right in front of her door. When people see that they get emotional charged. Anytime I have to get in close approximation of large dog I’m on my guard, especially when the dog weights about as much as the owner

Topspinmo 01-28-2021 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1893877)
Pit Bulls should be illegal to own in the entire US.

Well, I’m not that radical, but majority of pit bull mix owners should own them.

If anybody lives near villages/ church property, souliere, or Phillips villa’s off CR42 be very careful people let the large dogs run off leach in open fields (including Staffordshire bull terriers and maybe bullmastiffs mixes)

RedChariot 01-28-2021 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Beasley (Post 1893693)
If you ever witness a mauling resulting in death by a Pitbull, you may think differently!

Or been an RN in an ICU unit caring for a 12 year old boy mauled by dog. I was with him for 2 nights as his nurse until he was transferred to a specialty medical center. I doubt he ever got over that experience emotionally.

Aggressive large dogs just don't belong in a retirement community. Too many possibilities for injury or death. The fact we would have to carry pepper spray just to take a walk around the community is absurd.

Spalumbos62 01-28-2021 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1893671)
Your argument is invalid. You're saying that it's okay for people to live here because you can put them in jail if they hurt other people.

But you can do the exact same thing with a pit bull if a pit bull becomes aggressive. And in fact, typically if a pit bull becomes aggressive and bites someone, that dog is euthanized. We don't typically put people to death when they attack other people.

People hurt and kill other people. We have laws to punish offenders, and we do NOT tell people they're not allowed to live in a particular neighborhood just in case they happen to end up becoming offenders.

If a pit bull has no "record" of attacking anyone, it is no more guilty than any PERSON who has no "record" of attacking anyone.

And to whoever said it was the pit bull and not the owner - no. Pit bulls are not naturally aggressive. They are TRAINED to be aggressive. They are naturally strong. What happens with that strength is up to whoever is training it.

Absolutely not....a bitting pit does not mean a bad owner...its the breed.
(Not to say there are lots of bad,uneducated owners out the...of all breeds) but a bitter does not stem from the owner.

jelly123 01-28-2021 11:03 AM

Dog attack
 
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Originally Posted by Piedmonter (Post 1893518)
A small (10 lb.) dog was attacked in our neighborhood the other night by an a large pit bull off leash. The small dog was very badly injured and only saved by his owner being willing to wrestle with the pit bull. The covenant restrictions of the Villages clearly do not allow dogs over 40 lbs. I am not necessarily in favor of that since there are many very nice, friendly labs, goldens etc. However, I do think that action should be taken when a larger dog shows itself to be dangerously aggressive. The Villages says that they cannot enforce the covenant. All they can do is send the owner of the pit bull a letter that when the dog passes away not to get another one like it. I am now very nervous when I walk my small dog at night. Perhaps the developer should consider amending the covenants to prohibit specific breeds known to be aggressive. For example, many campgrounds prohibit pit bulls and rotweillers.

Where was this?

macawlaw 01-28-2021 11:11 AM

As many have said, a dog should never be off-leash if not in his/her own fenced yard. There are some good dogs of every breed. However, my response to someone asking why I rescued my dog from out-of-state when so many pit bulls were available locally, my response shut her up: “I’ve never read a headline of ‘Child Mauled by Standard Poodle.’”

cbmerl 01-28-2021 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1893609)
Yes... but pit bulls if they chose to, can kill. Comparing a big, powerful dog to a small one is like comparing Mohamed Ali to a young child. They can both be friendly.

Excellent comparison!

justjim 01-28-2021 11:14 AM

Lawyer and Pit Bulls
 
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Originally Posted by lawgolfer (Post 1893802)
For 40 years I defended hundreds of homeowners/dog owners by appointment of their insurers. Included were three death claims. In every case the dog owners never failed to tell me, at length, how their dog was the most wonderful, gentle pet and that they could not imagine what the victim did to provoke their dog. The next thing I usually heard was how the dog slept with their children and they would never have allowed this had the dog been vicious.

From this, I learned four things:

1. All owners love their dogs and believe their dogs are harmless;

2. All owners are blind to reality and fail to appreciate the danger their dogs pose to others;

3. Any dog can bite at any time or attack another dog at any time;

4. Large dogs bite harder, do more damage, and pose a greater danger than small dogs.

As a final observation, my clients who owned pit bulls were the worst offenders and failed to have any insight into the danger their dogs posed to others. Frankly, most of them were flaming as ....oles who should have been locked in a cage with someone else's pit bull!

I believe you are spot on. :clap2:

Taltarzac725 01-28-2021 11:25 AM

I have been going to Doggie Doo Run Run since 2006. I started when I was looking for a dog and they had an adoption event.

They have all kinds of dogs there and they remove aggressive dogs fairly quickly especially if they have the large square like head of "pit bull" like dogs. Many of these dogs though are also very gentle and some have been coming to the dog park a long time with no problems.

One of the worst wounds of late I saw on a dog were on a "pit bull" like pooch which was frequently bullied by many other dogs of various breeds. The owner of the dog also got chewed up trying to rescue his "pit bull" from the one of these bullying canines. They did ban the dog that was biting the "pit bull" and his owner.

Dgodin 01-28-2021 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Piedmonter (Post 1893518)
A small (10 lb.) dog was attacked in our neighborhood the other night by an a large pit bull off leash. The small dog was very badly injured and only saved by his owner being willing to wrestle with the pit bull. The covenant restrictions of the Villages clearly do not allow dogs over 40 lbs. I am not necessarily in favor of that since there are many very nice, friendly labs, goldens etc. However, I do think that action should be taken when a larger dog shows itself to be dangerously aggressive. The Villages says that they cannot enforce the covenant. All they can do is send the owner of the pit bull a letter that when the dog passes away not to get another one like it. I am now very nervous when I walk my small dog at night. Perhaps the developer should consider amending the covenants to prohibit specific breeds known to be aggressive. For example, many campgrounds prohibit pit bulls and rotweillers.

We had a similar issue. We were walking our 20lb dog on the street. Stopped to talk to a homeowner. Their large dog got out, ran straight to our dog, picked him up and shook him like a rag doll. My wife kicked the large dog in the nuts, which calmed him down considerably. The dog owner was shocked that their dog would attack but paid the vet bill ($150), and bought our dog a toy.
We still called animal control. In Lady Lake the animal can be off leash in a yard but only if it is UNDER CONTROL by the owner and must be leashed outside of the yard. We filed a complaint so that the incident would be on record but asked that there be no fine as the offending dog's owner had paid the bill. It is important to get the incident on record in case of a future problem. We didn't want anyone else to go through the problem.

Mac81 01-28-2021 12:09 PM

Not all pit bulls are aggressive...dogs owner should be fined and dog evaluated.

The Mountaineer 01-28-2021 12:29 PM

As Judge Judy points out repeatedly pit bulls are such a problem that home owners can NOT get insurance to cover their damages. Owning a pit bull is a good way to lose your home. Feel sorry for the smaller dog. Pit bulls repeatedy do this. Even chewing faces of family children. "They are so friendly" becomes a limb-tearing menace in a split second. I've had dogs, so I'm not anti-dog. But it's foolish and risky to have a pit bull. What if that pit bull mauls a kid before it's finally put down? The owner who lets a pit bull out without having it under control on a leash is SO liable financially. Just watch Judy Judy. She has horror stories to tell about pit bulls and their aggression.

rmd2 01-28-2021 12:31 PM

death by pit bull
 
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Originally Posted by Charlesp (Post 1893763)
Check out article on Death of Diane Whipple in San Francisco on Wikipedia.

I remember that young lady. A horrible death.

Taltarzac725 01-28-2021 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rmd2 (Post 1893952)
I remember that young lady. A horrible death.

I recall that as well. Death of Diane Whipple - Wikipedia

Those were mastiff type dogs. Perro de Presa Canario - Wikipedia

Velvet 01-28-2021 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sallyg (Post 1893753)
So awful! Please report this to animal control in your county. Perhaps there have been previous attacks and the owner may get fined. You can be sure the Villages won't do anything about it. Whereabouts is the pitbull located so others can avoid. You don't have to give the exact address, the street snd Village would be helpful.

Why is The villages not enforcing the deed restrictions? If it is true, then are the restrictions enforced Willy nilly? I like this one, that one not so much.... then based on no enforcement of one item, any resident can plead that they can break any restriction since this one is not enforced so then none should be. The restrictions are not weighed, ie. this one is more important, this one is less/not important, on my document.

debb3c 01-28-2021 12:45 PM

I agree and always carry pepper spray

nevjudbaker 01-28-2021 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1893559)
Have been there except it was a German Shepherd. Asked the owner to keep the dog off my property where my dog was attacked. Owner said no to that request. Called a lawyer friend who said to go to the police station and file a complaint for criminal destruction of personal property. The officer who issued the summons was bitten by the dog. End of story.

Great ending!


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