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patfla06 06-07-2025 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by idlewild (Post 2437086)
We recently had our ~300 sq ft. south-facing lanai enclosed with single pain / non-insulated glass on our ~1900 sq ft home. The wife wants "open living" (i.e. to keep the doors to the lanai open) and thought we could do it after we blew insultation into the lanai.

I'm concerned that not only are the new windows and door not double-paned (i.e. no insultation) but also the added space will strain our AC unit In fact, when I saw the price of a mini-split I figured we might be able to extend the existing ductwork into the lanai after insulating, but I was told from multiple contractors that this would strain the AC and is not to code.

Questions: even if we blew insultation, how much cool air would we be bleeding from the single-pain glass? With this leakage and new 300 sq feet to cool, how much of a load/strain would leaving the doors to the lanai open place on our AC unit and is that comparable to having the ducts directly into it?

My idea of "open living" is not keeping the doors open, but rather using the lanai occasionally with the doors open (i.e. air conditioning from the home) but mostly using it later at night with windows open for a breeze to naturally cool it, but I supposed we're going to have to minimally both blow insulation and get a mini-split if my wife wants to keep the doors open all the time, correct?

We put in insulation, Mitsubishi mini split and the doors are tinted.
Have an Eastern exposure with only sun hitting it until 11 am.
A mini split is essential IMHO. You will use the lanai every day with a mini split.

talonip 06-08-2025 06:19 AM

No
 
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Originally Posted by Koapaka (Post 2437109)
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Tried that. Noisy and won’t work.

talonip 06-08-2025 06:34 AM

We have had two houses and enclosed both. Single pane. Don’t get sucked into double pain unless you have a west facing lanai with unobstructed view. We put insulation in the first house with 280 sq ft lanai. In second home we did not with 500 sq ft. Hardly noticed a difference. We put two mini splits in second lanai. We love it. One thing that is nice the villages weather and temp from late Oct to middle of April is great. Mini splits use was minimal. We use our lanai all the time. It’s well worth the cost to enclose and pit mini splits in. Ask contractor to put in the flush ceiling mounted mini.

Annie66 06-08-2025 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by La lamy (Post 2437188)
Somewhat unrelated, but 5 weeks for 2 of you to get AC fixed?!!! I hope you looked around for better service. If so, then that timespan is really unsettling. There's always something that can be fixed via readily available parts. Maybe you were convinced by them you had to replace the whole system. Mine has been completely refurbished, one part at a time as they failed.

My glassed in lanai is open to the house and has AC running to it. Even with double paned windows, I usually have to run a fan to feel cool in there. If you want to avoid various extra costs, I would just have fans to cool you off in there and keep it closed off to the house if your wife can stand it!

I understand your concern. Unfortunately, our breakdown happened at the height of Covid. Parts were scarce. No one had the parts in the area, so we waited.

skippy05 06-08-2025 07:24 AM

It might be less expensive and less trouble to just replace the wife?

Ptmcbriz 06-08-2025 08:06 AM

Being south facing you are also going to need to add rolling shades on all the windows that help block the sun to help keep it cooler. Everyone I know has the split units to keep it cool. The last thing you want to do is put a strain on your house system.

Nana2Teddy 06-08-2025 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by talonip (Post 2437490)
We have had two houses and enclosed both. Single pane. Don’t get sucked into double pain unless you have a west facing lanai with unobstructed view. We put insulation in the first house with 280 sq ft lanai. In second home we did not with 500 sq ft. Hardly noticed a difference. We put two mini splits in second lanai. We love it. One thing that is nice the villages weather and temp from late Oct to middle of April is great. Mini splits use was minimal. We use our lanai all the time. It’s well worth the cost to enclose and pit mini splits in. Ask contractor to put in the flush ceiling mounted mini.

This is our situation. We chose single pane for east facing 400sf lanai because it was $15K vs $29K, and Custom Windows told us single pane was sufficient. We had ceiling insulated and two ceiling mounted minisplits installed by Kalos, and they work great except in the dead of summer when the morning sun heats up the room quickly forcing the minisplits to work extra hard all day trying to cool it back down to 75. So, we have 100% solar blocking interior motorized shades being installed next week to block morning sun until 11-12, then will raise them for rest of the day and night. The shades will block the sun from fading everything in our lanai too. This is a private fenced-in yard, no view, so we don’t mind shades being down in morning for 2-3 months annually. We do keep our sliders to the lanai open all day.

Nana2Teddy 06-08-2025 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by skippy05 (Post 2437510)
It might be less expensive and less trouble to just replace the wife?

Hmm… I thought my hubby wasn’t on TOTV. 😂

JRcorvette 06-08-2025 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by idlewild (Post 2437086)
We recently had our ~300 sq ft. south-facing lanai enclosed with single pain / non-insulated glass on our ~1900 sq ft home. The wife wants "open living" (i.e. to keep the doors to the lanai open) and thought we could do it after we blew insultation into the lanai.

I'm concerned that not only are the new windows and door not double-paned (i.e. no insultation) but also the added space will strain our AC unit In fact, when I saw the price of a mini-split I figured we might be able to extend the existing ductwork into the lanai after insulating, but I was told from multiple contractors that this would strain the AC and is not to code.

Questions: even if we blew insultation, how much cool air would we be bleeding from the single-pain glass? With this leakage and new 300 sq feet to cool, how much of a load/strain would leaving the doors to the lanai open place on our AC unit and is that comparable to having the ducts directly into it?

My idea of "open living" is not keeping the doors open, but rather using the lanai occasionally with the doors open (i.e. air conditioning from the home) but mostly using it later at night with windows open for a breeze to naturally cool it, but I supposed we're going to have to minimally both blow insulation and get a mini-split if my wife wants to keep the doors open all the time, correct?

You definitely should insulate the ceiling and it may be required. Double pane glass does not help all that much. Better to spend the money on some sun screen shades to use when needed. I would suggest try leaving the doors open during the daytime and close when you go to bed (mostly for security). See how your energy bill changes. An extra 300sf is not that much. The cost of adding a mini split AC is between $6000 & $7500. Do the math that will cover many years of a slightly higher AC bill.

retiredguy123 06-08-2025 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mikreb (Post 2437201)
Do yourself a favor. Insulate and put in the mini-split you won't regret it. We've tried all the other options, 1. leave the slider open, place a fan in the doorway (still too hot) 2. portable ac (still too hot).

Mini-split, roll down shades and insulation is the way to go. We used Sun Kool, but Munn's is a good option as well.

Yes, and any attempt to add any conditioned air to a lanai without insulating the ceiling is like trying to fill a bucket with water when it has a hole in the bottom.

C. C. Rider 06-08-2025 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by idlewild (Post 2437086)
We recently had our ~300 sq ft. south-facing lanai enclosed with single pain / non-insulated glass on our ~1900 sq ft home. The wife wants "open living" (i.e. to keep the doors to the lanai open) and thought we could do it after we blew insultation into the lanai.

I'm concerned that not only are the new windows and door not double-paned (i.e. no insultation) but also the added space will strain our AC unit In fact, when I saw the price of a mini-split I figured we might be able to extend the existing ductwork into the lanai after insulating, but I was told from multiple contractors that this would strain the AC and is not to code.

Questions: even if we blew insultation, how much cool air would we be bleeding from the single-pain glass? With this leakage and new 300 sq feet to cool, how much of a load/strain would leaving the doors to the lanai open place on our AC unit and is that comparable to having the ducts directly into it?

My idea of "open living" is not keeping the doors open, but rather using the lanai occasionally with the doors open (i.e. air conditioning from the home) but mostly using it later at night with windows open for a breeze to naturally cool it, but I supposed we're going to have to minimally both blow insulation and get a mini-split if my wife wants to keep the doors open all the time, correct?

Here is a portable unit that works well. It runs on regular household (110 volt) current. It has a small drain line for the condensate which you could run to the outside or into a bucket.

It also has an exhaust hose (about 6" diameter) that needs to be vented to the outside either through a permanent installation or through the supplied window opening kit. I bought one last year for occasional use in my insulated garage. It works well.

Amazon.com

Accidental1 06-08-2025 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idlewild (Post 2437086)
We recently had our ~300 sq ft. south-facing lanai enclosed with single pain / non-insulated glass on our ~1900 sq ft home. The wife wants "open living" (i.e. to keep the doors to the lanai open) and thought we could do it after we blew insultation into the lanai.

I'm concerned that not only are the new windows and door not double-paned (i.e. no insultation) but also the added space will strain our AC unit In fact, when I saw the price of a mini-split I figured we might be able to extend the existing ductwork into the lanai after insulating, but I was told from multiple contractors that this would strain the AC and is not to code.

Questions: even if we blew insultation, how much cool air would we be bleeding from the single-pain glass? With this leakage and new 300 sq feet to cool, how much of a load/strain would leaving the doors to the lanai open place on our AC unit and is that comparable to having the ducts directly into it?

My idea of "open living" is not keeping the doors open, but rather using the lanai occasionally with the doors open (i.e. air conditioning from the home) but mostly using it later at night with windows open for a breeze to naturally cool it, but I supposed we're going to have to minimally both blow insulation and get a mini-split if my wife wants to keep the doors open all the time, correct?

We're West facing and enclosed our lanai with dual pane sliders. We tried it for a year without insulating the ceiling or a mini split. The home AC didn't come close to being able to cool the lanai. We've since added motorized shades, a mini spit and insulation. Good luck.

idlewild 06-08-2025 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by skippy05 (Post 2437510)
It might be less expensive and less trouble to just replace the wife?

:agree:

Teed_Off 06-08-2025 09:55 PM

This probably depends on how you and the wife define comfortable. We have a Lantana model with a ~300sf south facing lanai with 12’ of east and west sliders, all full height. The windows are double pane, low-e glass. The south windows are partially shaded by the overhang and pine trees. The east windows are fully exposed to a patio and there’s a hedge along the west windows. We have indoor shades on the east and west only. The ceiling is insulated and there are two ceiling fans. The sliders to the house are always open so that the lanai is passively cooled and heated from the house system.

In the summer we keep the house at 79 degrees F and 68 in the winter. In the spring and fall the lanai sliders and nearly all other house windows are open with the a/c system turned off.

I have found that the temperature in the lanai is about the same as the house during the summer, maybe 1 or 2 degrees warmer late in the day, and it’s a few degrees cooler in the winter, particularly in the morning.

Bottom line for us, with this arrangement for the last 7 years, is that we are comfortable and don’t need supplemental cooling or heating.

PatriciaFaheySimms 06-13-2025 01:27 PM

I have a south facing lanai like yours and I installed UV film on the glass. I also had it installed on the west facing windows of the house. It’s about 10° cooler in the lanai. I prefer the UV film to shades that would block the view of the beautiful large live oaks. If the view is the neighbors roof, then I would get UV blocking shades.


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