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charlieo1126@gmail.com 06-01-2020 09:12 AM

Gates
 
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Originally Posted by 17362 (Post 1774816)
There is always alternatives with a problem in the solution departments, I always say a minimum of three. IMO, the gate problems need:
Man at every single gate that actually have security for the residents as number one-
For example a central server that is rigged to every gate for actual emergencies that allows an operator to rise and hold all gates in a FEMA emergency
2) the persons at the gates, takes down and enters all non residents purpose and house they are going to and length of stay Or work order or list of approved vendors for lawn care
3) add resident stickers On carts, a barcode, and barcode reader at gate that is registered into the system at every check point for when the need arises. And of course a person is there if they don’t have one whom is ready to take your information if you are not a resident.
The residents security should be number one concern.
These “people” will eventually get a clue and stop the non sense that has been occurring at the gates. Yes it will slow traffic but so be it. Cost and security can be leveled out.

you want traffic lines stretching at some gates only god knows how long , instead of an aluminum gate that goes down occasionally, I also drive a lot around here and I don’t see why you think we need drastic measures, most times the neighborhood watch guys are able to put it back up . Another case of seeing a small problem and solving it with even a bigger one

Indydealmaker 06-01-2020 11:47 AM

All of the above! Golf carts need to be identifiable.

Bogie Shooter 06-01-2020 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 17362 (Post 1774816)
There is always alternatives with a problem in the solution departments, I always say a minimum of three. IMO, the gate problems need:
Man at every single gate that actually have security for the residents as number one-
For example a central server that is rigged to every gate for actual emergencies that allows an operator to rise and hold all gates in a FEMA emergency
2) the persons at the gates, takes down and enters all non residents purpose and house they are going to and length of stay Or work order or list of approved vendors for lawn care
3) add resident stickers On carts, a barcode, and barcode reader at gate that is registered into the system at every check point for when the need arises. And of course a person is there if they don’t have one whom is ready to take your information if you are not a resident.
The residents security should be number one concern.
These “people” will eventually get a clue and stop the non sense that has been occurring at the gates. Yes it will slow traffic but so be it. Cost and security can be leveled out.

The gates are not for security but for traffic control.

Adding manpower....are you willing to pay?
Writing down everybody would create a nightmare, don't ya think?
Adding bar code & readers.....are you willing to pay"?
What is the non sense you refer to, broken gates or something else?

Curtisbwp 06-01-2020 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by davem4616 (Post 1774008)
the gates were pretty safe for awhile when everyone was staying home.....now it's open season on them again

it just baffles my mind how anyone could knock a gate down

I understand that there's about 6 or 7 cameras at each gate...so they know who you are, and the fine is something like
$250

so do they try to sneak in by tailgating the car in front of them, do they just not wait for the bar to rise high enough, do they forget that the bar doesn't automatically go up when you're coming in like it does upon exiting? or are they just drunks?

I just call them ,'snow birds'

JoMar 06-01-2020 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 17362 (Post 1774816)
There is always alternatives with a problem in the solution departments, I always say a minimum of three. IMO, the gate problems need:
Man at every single gate that actually have security for the residents as number one-
For example a central server that is rigged to every gate for actual emergencies that allows an operator to rise and hold all gates in a FEMA emergency
2) the persons at the gates, takes down and enters all non residents purpose and house they are going to and length of stay Or work order or list of approved vendors for lawn care
3) add resident stickers On carts, a barcode, and barcode reader at gate that is registered into the system at every check point for when the need arises. And of course a person is there if they don’t have one whom is ready to take your information if you are not a resident.
The residents security should be number one concern.
These “people” will eventually get a clue and stop the non sense that has been occurring at the gates. Yes it will slow traffic but so be it. Cost and security can be leveled out.

Since all the roads belong to the County and the County isn't interested in making this a gated community your suggestions should be taken to them. The gates are provided for our safety, but not our security. I would be in favor of a golf cart registration for identifiction.

Andyb 06-01-2020 06:17 PM

Not much common sense in America anymore

BobnBev 06-01-2020 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davem4616 (Post 1774008)
the gates were pretty safe for awhile when everyone was staying home.....now it's open season on them again

it just baffles my mind how anyone could knock a gate down

I understand that there's about 6 or 7 cameras at each gate...so they know who you are, and the fine is something like
$250

so do they try to sneak in by tailgating the car in front of them, do they just not wait for the bar to rise high enough, do they forget that the bar doesn't automatically go up when you're coming in like it does upon exiting? or are they just drunks?

Yes, yes and yes.:popcorn:

600th Photo Sq 06-01-2020 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davem4616 (Post 1774008)
the gates were pretty safe for awhile when everyone was staying home.....now it's open season on them again

it just baffles my mind how anyone could knock a gate down

I understand that there's about 6 or 7 cameras at each gate...so they know who you are, and the fine is something like
$250

so do they try to sneak in by tailgating the car in front of them, do they just not wait for the bar to rise high enough, do they forget that the bar doesn't automatically go up when you're coming in like it does upon exiting? or are they just drunks?

Wrong 2 cameras each gate they get the plate number. There is a central location that monitors the gates.

The local police do get involved when requested.

I believe The Villages has a very high % rate on nailing the individuals.

Bottom line Slow Down, or else. Learn the Easy Way...….. or The Hard Way. :shocked:

wisbad1 06-01-2020 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bonrich (Post 1774786)
No excuse for hitting a gate, but when they are replaced, change the profile of the gate from a round tube to a flat wider gate. Easier to see.

Put nails in them

charlieo1126@gmail.com 06-02-2020 09:39 AM

I don’t understand statement from Vietnam vet what has Vietnam got to do with gate or fixing stupid of course when you use the word Vietnam so many times in a day as many do you can’t help yourself and before anyone gets all riled up . I’m a multi toured Vietnam combat vet that if I ever talk about it at all
I tell some funny story . . I have no hat, no vest and I didn’t need a parade

TooColdNJ 06-02-2020 10:31 AM

Stupid is stupid. Watched a lady at an entrance with no gate hold out her card for the gate to open. I think she might still be there:oops:

mydavid 06-03-2020 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 1774291)
How about a scarlet letter on there forehead ?? That should fit there despicable crime

How about just replacing them with a speed bump, the gates do nothing to keep people out.:ho:

sajoe 06-28-2020 08:11 AM

Gates and golf carts
 
Twice this week I was "honked at" and almost hit by cars in my golf cart at gates where I was stopped between lanes, waited for a car to pass and then went to cross. In both cases the following car flashed their pass before the gate closed and the gate stopped and opened. Is this the way they all are and I'm having a "senior moment"? I agree the the car has the right of way, right or wrong but if there is no pause between cars the chances of getting hit by a car goes up greatly. Is this a response to the gates getting knocked down?

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-28-2020 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 17362 (Post 1774816)
There is always alternatives with a problem in the solution departments, I always say a minimum of three. IMO, the gate problems need:
Man at every single gate that actually have security for the residents as number one-
For example a central server that is rigged to every gate for actual emergencies that allows an operator to rise and hold all gates in a FEMA emergency
2) the persons at the gates, takes down and enters all non residents purpose and house they are going to and length of stay Or work order or list of approved vendors for lawn care
3) add resident stickers On carts, a barcode, and barcode reader at gate that is registered into the system at every check point for when the need arises. And of course a person is there if they don’t have one whom is ready to take your information if you are not a resident.
The residents security should be number one concern.
These “people” will eventually get a clue and stop the non sense that has been occurring at the gates. Yes it will slow traffic but so be it. Cost and security can be leveled out.

The gates are NOT for security. I don't know how many times this can be emphasized before people get it. It was clear to us the very first time we came to visit years ago, before we even decided to move here.

The gates are to slow down traffic and offer a margin of safety for golf carts to cross the road at those intersections.

They don't need security guards. The gate people are customer service reps, not security guards.

Stu from NYC 06-28-2020 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 1774291)
How about a scarlet letter on there forehead ?? That should fit there despicable crime

Or better yet a tattoo of a gate on their far head

asianthree 06-28-2020 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1774217)
or women drivers?:bigbow:

The men who have their knee outside the cart knocks them down. Their stomach gets in the way To break effectively

JoMar 06-28-2020 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1793663)
The gates are NOT for security. I don't know how many times this can be emphasized before people get it. It was clear to us the very first time we came to visit years ago, before we even decided to move here.

The gates are to slow down traffic and offer a margin of safety for golf carts to cross the road at those intersections.

They don't need security guards. The gate people are customer service reps, not security guards.

Also for bikers, joggers and walkers.....all that use the MMP.

John41 06-29-2020 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 1773973)
What the heck is going on? Has the fear of Covid-19 numbed some brains to the point of no common sense?

With work, I've been out on the roads as always; it just seems like an above average amount of gates being pillaged.

the gates need to be made more visible, preferably blinking red lights.

Topspinmo 06-29-2020 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 1773973)
What the heck is going on? Has the fear of Covid-19 numbed some brains to the point of no common sense?

With work, I've been out on the roads as always; it just seems like an above average amount of gates being pillaged.

Drunks and drug addicts. One can’t see the gates and the other in too big of hurry. :shocked:

Topspinmo 06-29-2020 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1794456)
the gates need to be made more visible, preferably blinking red lights.

So the long line of bright reflective tape that shines line diamond in a —— —-? Not enough? :1rotfl:

Topspinmo 06-29-2020 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1793663)
The gates are NOT for security. I don't know how many times this can be emphasized before people get it. It was clear to us the very first time we came to visit years ago, before we even decided to move here.

The gates are to slow down traffic and offer a margin of safety for golf carts to cross the road at those intersections.

They don't need security guards. The gate people are customer service reps, not security guards.

gate people are customer service reps And complete waste of money.

mtdjed 06-29-2020 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 17362 (Post 1774816)
There is always alternatives with a problem in the solution departments, I always say a minimum of three. IMO, the gate problems need:
Man at every single gate that actually have security for the residents as number one-
For example a central server that is rigged to every gate for actual emergencies that allows an operator to rise and hold all gates in a FEMA emergency
2) the persons at the gates, takes down and enters all non residents purpose and house they are going to and length of stay Or work order or list of approved vendors for lawn care
3) add resident stickers On carts, a barcode, and barcode reader at gate that is registered into the system at every check point for when the need arises. And of course a person is there if they don’t have one whom is ready to take your information if you are not a resident.
The residents security should be number one concern.
These “people” will eventually get a clue and stop the non sense that has been occurring at the gates. Yes it will slow traffic but so be it. Cost and security can be leveled out.

Seems like your solution assumes that only residents are allowed in. That assumption does not recognize that anyone is entitled to enter gated areas that are on streets maintained by Sumter County.

gadaboutgal 06-30-2020 12:18 PM

The gates are simply a sham. Put there by The Villages to sell the idea that this is like all the other over 55 restricted, private communities. The roads in The Villages are public everywhere (except the Marion county portion and the villa sections.)
The Villages needs to take down the gates. They do not have the right to control the traffic or the speed on the public streets. And that would solve the problem with broken gates=a waste of money.

Bogie Shooter 06-30-2020 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gadaboutgal (Post 1795330)
The gates are simply a sham. Put there by The Villages to sell the idea that this is like all the other over 55 restricted, private communities. The roads in The Villages are public everywhere (except the Marion county portion and the villa sections.)
The Villages needs to take down the gates. They do not have the right to control the traffic or the speed on the public streets. And that would solve the problem with broken gates=a waste of money.

Safety?

graciegirl 06-30-2020 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gadaboutgal (Post 1795330)
The gates are simply a sham. Put there by The Villages to sell the idea that this is like all the other over 55 restricted, private communities. The roads in The Villages are public everywhere (except the Marion county portion and the villa sections.)
The Villages needs to take down the gates. They do not have the right to control the traffic or the speed on the public streets. And that would solve the problem with broken gates=a waste of money.

The gates slow down car traffic so golf cart traffic can cross. The Villages doesn't have to do anything to get people to buy here. When our area opened up, the view lots sold out within seven hours. People, even now during this pandemic, are vigorously looking for homes here. We have looky loos driving around our very small village of 53 homes all of the time. How do we know they aren't residents? Because we know all of the residents. It is just as friendly as people say it is. No. I don't work for the developer but I am a huge fan.

Polar Bear 06-30-2020 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by gadaboutgal (Post 1795330)
The gates are simply a sham. Put there by The Villages to sell the idea that this is like all the other over 55 restricted, private communities. The roads in The Villages are public everywhere (except the Marion county portion and the villa sections.)
The Villages needs to take down the gates. They do not have the right to control the traffic or the speed on the public streets. And that would solve the problem with broken gates=a waste of money.

Wow. Such obliviousness to reality.

Bay Kid 07-01-2020 08:44 AM

All gates get knocked down from time to time.

PennBF 07-01-2020 12:05 PM

Follow The Money
 
Somebody is making a lot of money by replacing/repairing gates that are hit. I continue to suggest they be put on "springs" so if they are hit they spring back and do not break. Second, there should be something more to highlight they are there. We
have lived in the villages for a number of years and I still have to look twice at times to see the gates. A simple hanging chain like material to better indicate they are there would stop some of the damages being done. In addition to this I also believe that all Golf Carts in the villages should be required to have ID stickers on them. Given the swarm of new people in the area now and coming from Apts, Condo's etc. there should be away of identifying if the carts are residents or not. :ohdear:

Bogie Shooter 07-01-2020 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1795842)
Somebody is making a lot of money by replacing/repairing gates that are hit. I continue to suggest they be put on "springs" so if they are hit they spring back and do not break. Second, there should be something more to highlight they are there. We
have lived in the villages for a number of years and I still have to look twice at times to see the gates. A simple hanging chain like material to better indicate they are there would stop some of the damages being done. In addition to this I also believe that all Golf Carts in the villages should be required to have ID stickers on them. Given the swarm of new people in the area now and coming from Apts, Condo's etc. there should be away of identifying if the carts are residents or not. :ohdear:

Where are non residents coming into TV from?

tophcfa 07-01-2020 04:07 PM

As Gracie correctly said, the gates slow down and help manage car traffic so golf carts can also navigate around. Also, the gates slow down cars so cameras can get pictures of license plates just in case the Identy of a vehicle is required. As someone who almost exclusively travels the Villages via golf cart, I greatly appreciate the way gates help golf carts and cars co-exist.

Number 10 GI 07-01-2020 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1795842)
Somebody is making a lot of money by replacing/repairing gates that are hit. I continue to suggest they be put on "springs" so if they are hit they spring back and do not break. Second, there should be something more to highlight they are there. We
have lived in the villages for a number of years and I still have to look twice at times to see the gates. A simple hanging chain like material to better indicate they are there would stop some of the damages being done. In addition to this I also believe that all Golf Carts in the villages should be required to have ID stickers on them. Given the swarm of new people in the area now and coming from Apts, Condo's etc. there should be away of identifying if the carts are residents or not. :ohdear:

I don't understand the problem with seeing the gate arm. If it is an entrance to a village there will be a gate arm so come to a stop and look for the arm.

Number 10 GI 07-01-2020 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1794456)
the gates need to be made more visible, preferably blinking red lights.

Yeah, and a swinging red light like used at railroad crossings and loud bell also. Maybe a 20' by 20' billboard with the warning STOP AHEAD. A guard with a bright red light waving it at the approaching drivers. No, no the bill board idea is too much, the guard will get runover and the gate arm hit by a driver trying to read the writing. I think the state needs to require elderly drivers to have an eye exam yearly in order to keep their license.

Shbullet 07-01-2020 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1774039)
It's the 'Sunbirds!' :icon_wink:

Yep the same answer given by full timers from Oct thru April...BUT wait a minute, this is July 1st so do you think it might be the full timers after all ? (oh thats right its the landscapers or the NON residence people) ha

GoodLife 07-01-2020 04:38 PM

Finally, a thread where all the gateologists can have their say. :icon_wink:

Flatlander 07-01-2020 08:19 PM

Yes, the gates are difficult to see at certain times of the day. The dark red and white bands do not stand out well during the daylight hours. Changing them to fluorescent green and orange would make them much more visible. That’s why those colors are used for the vests that workers and emergency personnel wear.


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