I believe you totally misunderstood my post. It was not a comparison of systems in any way. It was about a man who used the word to accuse anyone who disagreed with him and in that course destroyed human beings..

If you agree with false accusations and personal attacks, then you might like McCarthy. I say he was using pure hate, by any name, to intimidate.

Comparing a completely dead and obsolete system to anything is folly, and simply using McCarthyism is avoiding the subject.

Why you went on about this dead system is well beyond me.

I just want to add for clarification, since a discussion of communism seems important to you. Not dead as I said, but I think only “alive” in 4 places.

I think anyone who lived through the McCarthy era where hate a accusation is aware of how terrible that was for our country. Your seemingly defense of it, even though it was based on lies, and falsehoods seems to be the thrust of your post.

So, if you didn’t like that country why didn’t you stay in the other countries? Pawns of any race don’t control how country run. They just make all the sacrifice’s. The rich NO matter what nationality NEVER sacrifice.

Smh…….I worry about our nation

What's the problem?
Us oldies are history.
Our kids and grand kids are running the circus these days.
They will live and die by their decisions, just as we and our forefathers did.
As far as my parents were concerned, and they lived through two world wars, Rock and Roll was the cause of all the problems!

[QUOTE=davem4616;2000949]there are far too many loony-tunes running around out there...you learn from history...you don't try to cover it up, or try to judge it through the eyes of the present

IMHO, among the mistakes that we've made was giving every kid a trophy for just showing up, so that their fragile feelings wouldn't be scared at a young age

we have a generation of people that grew up in a bubble and now aren't able to accept reality

we also have a lot of people in academia that are very biased....and seem to preach their own bias vs teach the course content...
then when these kids graduate and they realize they weren't prepared for the real world, they whine and pout and decide they're not going to pay off their college loans

the country I grew up in no longer exists
I agree with this post.
Compared to growing up in the 50's, the most obvious difference today, as I see it, is the lack of personal responsibility (It's not my fault I failed, it was my parents, the school system, I was bullied etc, etc.) AND a diminishing work ethic.

[QUOTE=davem4616;2000949]there are far too many loony-tunes running around out there...you learn from history...you don't try to cover it up, or try to judge it through the eyes of the present

Wasn't it great when the "looney-tunes" was the cartoons on Saturday morning?

Speaking of Looney Tunes, it's just about time for a "That's All Folks!" for this thread.

What’s your source for this inflammatory “statement?” Do you believe all the stuff posted to rile you up and keep you controlled?

[QUOTE=Laker14;2001002]Thank you for that. The Original Poster seems to have completely misunderstood the web site, which is explaining why the records wii NOT be changed but will continue to offend some people today. Hooray for that! I’m sick and tired of people trying to erase people from history because they were people of their times. (For example, a couple years ago I visited Monticello and was astonished to find that Jefferson’s political career was barely mentioned. Instead, I was given the idea that the most important thing about him was that didn’t free his “enslaved persons” or had them.)

Here’s what the site actually says:
“ What harmful or difficult content may be found in the National Archives Catalog and our web pages?

Some items may:
reflect racist, sexist, ableist, misogynistic/misogynoir, and xenophobic opinions and attitudes;
be discriminatory towards or exclude diverse views on sexuality, gender, religion, and more;
include graphic content of historical events such as violent death, medical procedures, crime, wars/terrorist acts, natural disasters and more;
demonstrate bias and exclusion in institutional collecting and digitization policies.

Why does the National Archives make potentially harmful content available?

NARA’s mission is to preserve and provide access to the permanent records of the federal government. NARA, working in conjunction with diverse communities, will seek to balance the preservation of this history with sensitivity to how these materials are presented to and perceived by users.”

So they aren’t rewriting it, but trying to present it in a way that will avoid complaints. That makes sense.

They still need their pacifier.

If you think about it, the original archivists, by using the language of the day, reflect the attitudes of the day in their explanations of the laws and events they seek to shed light on, and by so doing, create yet another historical waypoint, to be further examined and explained in the light of more current sensibilities. The process never ends, nor should it, as long as we acknowledge the original attitudes, and don't try to pretend they never existed.

CRT at its best. That’s why statues coming down . Wipe out our history.

Glenn Beck did a piece on that issue yesterday. He reported that a few believe that the documents are too “offensive” to some and therefore should be replaced.
Come quickly Lord Jesus

Shame on this mess!

Your presentism approach to history conveniently ignores the profound impact that our founding principles had on the course of human kind. The type of inequities you describe had existed for several millennia throughout the world.

Our children should learn the good, bad and the ugly. But many only want to highlight the negative because what they truly despise is the rights enshrined in our Constitution that severely limits the power of our government.

Have you ever taken a moment and pondered on why billions of "people of color" dream of settling in the US? It is because the values of our founding took root and help eliminate the injustices that you obsess over not only in our country but in many others.

America isn't perfect. But the principles we hold dear are perfect. If there's one thing I've learned, it's that even on our worst day, we are blessed to live in America.

Nikki Haley

Statues
 

Removing the idolatry and glorifying of traitors of our country is not rewriting history. It’s just appropriate. You don’t go to Germany and see glorifying statues in parks of Nazi generals. Allowing glorification of traitors that wanted to take over our country has allowed the “participation award” to the loser mindset to develop. It was the ultimate participation award of our past.

Thank you so much for that summary.

There was an interesting column written about McCarthy - but much more broadly about whether anything McCarthy was trumpeting at the time had any truth to it insofar as the left side of politics was concerned. It was written in the Washington Post in 1996 by the late Nicholas von Hoffman, and titled "Was McCarthy right about the left?"

von Hoffman was no friend of right-wingers, and he wrote what he believed. His words ended up getting him fired from CBS's 60 Minutes, actually, when he referred to Nixon as "a dead mouse on the kitchen floor that everyone was afraid to touch and throw in the garbage.”

von Hoffman was a community organizer for Saul Alinksy in the early 60's. von Hoffman was a left-winger, to be sure.

OK, back to the column -

von Hoffman found nothing redeeming in McCarthy's behavior. Here's how he characterized him:

There is a "but..." here, though. The next passage from von Hoffman reads this way:

Last summary:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...-5f352acbf5de/

Kind of like removing a Confederate statue in Lake county because some people are offended.

Kind of like the movie ratings we have today. It's simply a warning and if you're offended don't enter and read, just like this blog. I am amazed at the people that simply won't accept that there are other opinions in the world than theirs

Taking one column out of context
 

to help make McCarthy out to have any redeeming values is unbelievable . That’s like saying hitler built nice highways or Mussolini made the trains run on time , of course there were communist but painting a brush so wide and destroying so many lives of people could never justify his actions

I don’t know or understand
 

what your talking about

Agree. NUTS!

All this nutty talk about things being offensive is not fair. Some of us are offended by the people that are offended with our American Documents from our forefathers. We are equally offended by not being able to celebrate the holidays we grew up with. Why is it that "we" have to give up our liberties because others are offended? I am terribly offended by this !!

Very sick, however some of the younger generation probably couldn't read them as they are written in cursive.

I heard, read or saw anyone say what you just said.

NOBODY is offended by our American documents, but for a country based on honor and truth and full of folks who want us to stay true, if is offensive to omit any part of our history.


Not sure what holidays you are speaking of, but you sound more offended by our country than any others.

Oh and exactly what liberties have you given up because having our history accurate and true is important to others ???

I was taught in history class that the French Revolution was about the lower and middle classes overthrowing the upper class that had oppressed them and took away their FREEDOM. I believe that some Marie lady angered them by saying, "Let them eat cake". And some massive, sharp object was a non-digital solution. I hope I got that correct.

That seems IMO to be ambiguous. It could apply to both sides of ANY argument.

Very well said Sir! If we keep this up we shall go back to the Romans, who kept slaves, and threw people to the lions for entertainment, and anyone with Italian in their family tree will have to watch out!

Times have ALWAYS changed since before the stone age or when time was indicated on a sundial. One does NOT have to argue about whether times are better or worse. One can look up the US position on world lists of "quality of life" and other universal qualities. Then, look at the US position (in the top 10) after WW2 and then today ( around 30 th). That is about as definitive and mathematical and black and white of a measure - as can be HUMANLY arrived at.

Group A might think that group B are screwballs. But, just as likely - group B thinks that group A ARE the screwballs. It is only just tribal anthropology at play.

In Mark Lavin’s book American Marxism he explains that out economy and our history must be destroyed in order to create the socialist society they want.
What is posted is another attempt ( by the woke , not the author of the post ) to erase our history.

[QUOTE=DAVES;2001021]If I take from that the good part about boiling tea killing germs - I see a situation where if the Native Americans along the Atlantic coast had ONLY drunk tea ( or alcohol )instead of smoking whatever ( in a Peace Pipe), then there would have been so many more Natives around that the white colonists could not fight them. The 2 groups would have had to have diplomatic relations and BOTH would then prosper. I also remember that the early Spaniards brought measles or some other disease with them even before the English Colonists. Too bad that Spaniards and Native Americans did not drink something that needed boiling? There seems like there would be MORE to both those stories???????

I doubt that cell phones spawn Communism. Facebook has an algorithm that pushes people from the ideal middle to the extreme right and left - probably out of pure greed for money and not anything idealistic.

Of course, no clear reading of my post would suggest anyone was justifying McCarthy's actions. I shouldn't have to say as much, but I'm certainly not. And neither was von Hoffman, the columnist.

What the columnist was saying is that McCarthy - almost in spite of himself - was closer to being right about the degree to which communists existed in government than wrong, given what we know today. That doesn't make McCarthy innocent of anything. He should always be judged on his behavior, and to my knowledge nothing has changed in that regard.

I agree with the contents of this post. From he who has "walked the walk".

Then perhaps those people shouldn’t look at it. I feel the same way about porn so I don’t go looking for it.

I was good with that content, until the last 2 sentences. The conclusion seemed (?) to just jump out of thin air. Maybe I misunderstood the conclusion?

I wonder who would win an arm-wrestling contest - Ann Ryn or Glenn Beck ?

I couldn't agree more. Well said!!!