Dr Fauci won the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2008

Just read on line any or all of the most reputable news that is out there . This is very real and is not going away any time soon. Physically isolate.

I agree that this is out of control and over the top.

I had plenty of guns and ammo before this ever started. TP was a little short in supply. I told my wife if we run out of TP then a good old rear end wash with the garden hose will suffice.

I initially felt like you, OP, but a few things changed my mind:

1. People hoard because they want to limit their visits to stores to reduce their chances of exposure (although I agree that's no excuse for a shopping cart overflowing with toilet paper, Purell, gloves and other supplies and depriving those who really need them).

2. Yes, there are more cases of the flu every year, but does the flu cause countries to run out of hospital beds and ventilators?

3. So what if the safeguards and precautions are overkill? If the guidelines are more than what's needed but cause this thing to pass sooner, so much the better. <Edit: after I submitted this I realized I need to give this more thought. Is the overkill worth taking away people's livelihoods and crashing the stock market? Not sure.>

4. Most important in my mind on the subject of hoarding...it's a psychological response. I'm a bit more compassionate about those people now that I know that it's a reaction to having lost control. When people feel like something is out of their control, they do something, anything, to make them feel like they're regaining some control over their lives. Remember after 9/11, about half or more of the cars on the road had American flags installed in little cups on their windows? Same thing.

Thanks for the correction, I seem to have temporarily lost the ability to do math ;)

Ridiculous is one word for this BS.
 

In the villages you can congregate on the golf greens and pickle ball courts but not in chlorinated pool water. This makes no sense. Oh and let's not forget the packed full of people in restraunts until just a few days ago. The villages owners and management are ridiculous for a better word for them.

To those who believe this is all a hoax and ‘manipulated - Reread your posts in a month or six weeks from now and you will be eating humble-pie....please take this seriously - for the rest of us OUR health depends on your reaction unfortunately.

Check your math… You are overstating this by your own assumptions. Drives me crazy when people make irresponsible posts.

Totally agree with you, not buying in to this.

Yesterday there were four cases of coronavirus in Sumter county. Today there are eight cases and two people are hospitalized. You people can bury your head in the sand all you like but I’m staying clear of people for a while.

I posited that question in a very early post as to whether there was "something more sinister behind this". The "true" death rate will be in the wrecked economy and the tens of thousands of small businesses across the country that will not recover from this government-imposed mess. We may witness another 1929 depression all over again; let's hope not! People are a lot less "composed" than in times past. And, just for the record, no one, including the CDC, knows the actual deaths or even individuals contracting the flu. The only data on the flu that is required to be reported is deaths of minors; deaths to adults is not required to be reported and is estimated by the CDC. Being a second arm of "Big Pharma", I would guess that their estimating is routinely on the high side, in order to scare people into getting their flu shot. Also, the medical community and the CDC use the acronym "ILI", routinely - "Influenza-Like Illness" - what's behind that practice? Inquiring minds want to know! :duck:

Fred

Is that a scientific statistical analysis or are you just "making and observation" Because if you think you can extrapolate anything, anything at all from that number, well...…..

The COVID numbers, taken by themselves, are a bit hair raising but I would welcome these stats be delivered by the media alongside the stats for the seasonal flu and other common virus infections. A little perspective would help me assess the gravity of the situation.

Unfortunetly, it is spread with help....

"Racist extremist groups, including neo-Nazis and other white supremacists, are encouraging members who contract novel coronavirus disease to spread the contagion to cops and Jews, according to intelligence gathered by the FBI."

White supremacists encouraging their members to spread coronavirus to cops, Jews, FBI says - ABC News

The hate is spreading further and further and deeper and deeper into our society, along with the virus, it appears.

I read this tried my best to fact check it....a good source, lots of
evidence from social media, and I recalled an interview with Steve Bannon about 3 years ago.

While "shut in" prayer for our country is what we should be doing.

"The FBI alert, which went out on Thursday, told local police agencies that extremists want their followers to try to use spray bottles to spread bodily fluids to cops on the street. The extremists are also directing followers to spread the disease to Jews by going "any place they may be congregated, to include markets, political offices, businesses and places of worship.""

Not sure who you are yelling at, most of the people here are taking this very seriously...

To all those that think this is real, abide by the directions given by our local, state, and federal leaders, and you will be reasonably safe from this pandemic. This will also lighten the load on our health system, and get the country back to normal.

To all of those that think of this as a hoax or no big deal, look at it as a training drill, with the purpose of working out the bugs in our system, in the event of a serious pandemic. Abide by the directions given by our local, state, and federal leaders, and we will be better prepared for any future pandemic. This will also lighten the load on our health system, and get the country back to normal.

Either way, we will ALL be better prepared for the next one.

Hoarding
 

I have a very good friend who is single and when I said something about toilet paper he told me he had five packages of 18 rolls. He said he bought them about the first of March. I know him well enough to tell him he was part of the problem. Well, he said maybe, but thought he ought to stock up. He offered to give me one but I bought one at Sam’s sometime in Last of February and have plenty for the two of us. Yes, we are still friends - just different. He lives in Florida but doesn’t live in TV if that makes any difference.

My point about all of this is I believe it’s serious and we should all be sailing our boat in the same direction to stop the virus the best we can. There will be plenty of time to “debate and quibble” later.

I believe you may have "decoded" the agenda :coolsmiley:

Fred

Good thoughts.....my opinion, this time in history will be investigated and discussed many years after we are gone, and rightfully so.

I do recall the swine flu having a much less death rate, and not narrowed so much to elderly relative to death. I also recall a much less contagious type of flu.

To allocate this to some type of political dirty trick is a very very sad commentary on this country.

I don't think the groups you cited are smart enough to do this. It's kind of like a safe, PC bogeyman to point to.

The Chinese military, on the other hand, absolutely has the technical ability to make a bio-weapon.

I took a cruise right after Thanksgiving and came home sick, I suspect it was Covid-19 but at the time no one knew what it was. My husband and 6 friends all had the same thing, from Nov to Jan. Some were tested and told it wasn't the flu. I'm wondering how many of the deaths associated with the flu season this year are really from Covid-19. No one is talking about that.. I should also add that what we experienced was like no other flu, dry cough, and then difficulty breathing with congestion in lungs for 3 to 4 weeks.

Unfortunately, common sense is a rare commodity - unicorns are more common than sense! :icon_wink:

Fred

A lot to what you say for sure. If you believe that China developed this viro weapon to attack, why unleash it on their own ? Practice ? Mistake ?

With the spread data it would mean it is to take over the world because the spread is mucho all over the globe, yet we remain on friendly terms with this country of such vile means.

So if not China.....who then ?

I have always believed that there is not a conspiracy theory behind every P situation and if you are correct, while we remain extra friendly with that country, who in this country is complicit with the Chinese to pull this off ?

I am really curious because it is hard for me to wrap my brain around these theories, especially when I read how we are so subject to any Chinese whim.......financially, etc. Why kill off or even weaken someone whom you already have weakened so much ?

If this is plot, they have successfully drawn our attention from North Korea testing of missles, which continues unabated and is not discussed.

I honestly want to know the details on this, the WHYS.....HOW...WHEN. They did not do a good job in covering it up since we were aware months and months ago, and were warned a few years ago about the development of more pandemics I was not in on the briefings, but all I have heard is warning about how we are not prepared and should get prepared for any pandemic....they may have mentioned China......you have info on that part of this plan ?

Numbers
 

If every night they posted regular flu numbers . How many where infected, how many deaths, how many in this county or that we would be scared every year.

A Villager was tested in Leesburg and unfortunately had a positive result. I have not seen anything indicating that they were admitted. They would only be admitted if they needed supportive care.

You Can't Cover All You Bases
 

I was traveling out of state when the hysteria hit. The young man in the seat behind me was coughing frequently during my 2 hour and 20 minute return flight. Maybe he had a cold, allergies, asthma, flu, or any of a hundred reasons that can cause a cough. Given our current situation, it would have been nice if I could get tested, but tests are in short supply and only given to those who have symptoms. I got back to TV at 7:00pm and had dinner with my wife at a restaurant in a town square. The next day, we went to do our weekly grocery shopping. In addition to paper towels, tp, and hand sanitizer, the store was out of about half the staples on our grocery list. We bought what we could, and the next day I went to two additional stores to find the items we still needed. I found everything except paper products and hand sanitizer. Because my wife is very concerned about our short supply of those items, I go to 4 to 6 stores a day to see if they've been restocked. So far no luck. I've been doing this for a week. I will do it again today. Yesterday I developed a cough. It's probably seasonal allergies, but I have no way of knowing for sure since I can't get tested without having other symptoms. Because I don't know my status, I've been very careful to keep my distance when outside talking to my neighbors. I try to keep my distance from people in the stores I visit, but sometimes they end up crowding me. If you shop at Publix, Winn-Dixie, WalMart, Sam's Club or Aldi, please don't get too close to me. I'm trying to keep you safe. I'm over 65 and have asthma so being around all those people puts me at risk too. It's been a week. Can you let go of your hysterics long enough to leave a package of Charmin and Bounty on the shelves so I can stay at home? It would be in both our best interests.

I believe there are "others" who would rather assess the situation for you :icon_wink:

Fred

Duh. The point is, the cases are on the rise, as was predicted. And it isn’t somewhere else in the country, it’s here in The Villages. Common sense dictates listening to the experts - this isn’t an overblown media hoax as some would like to believe.

You took the words out of my mouth. Exactly my thinking too. Mass hysteria from the media and oh btw is this election time?

It's called realism and critical thinking; observing what has been going on in the media for the past three years makes that possibility easy to extrapolate. Believing that one's government only has the citizens' best interest in mind, a classical case of naivete, is far more fatal to one's well being!

Fred

From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.

Additionally, CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated.**

2009 H1N1 Pandemic (H1N1pdm09 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

So those who SELDOM or RARELY eat at home bought all this food and they are going to COOK IT !!!! Do they know how......No they will still do take out for as long as they can, and the food will rot... So much food in normal times is thrown out. The answer is to RATION...... that will make folks think about how lucky they have been to WASTE so much all these years that they could have fed a third world country.

No, it clearly isn't a "hoax" (who started that anyway?), only an idiot would believe that. The question is whether or not the media reporting is overblown, and secondly, given media bias, whether there is a political agenda to their reporting. And yes, it is here in TV. It has probably been here for a while and there will be more cases as more testing results come in. But 8 cases in Sumter County, or even eventually 80 or 800 DOES NOT make us Italy

Not the same at all
 

I bet you can't name ONE single scientist who literally wants to control everyone. If you have a much better idea of how to work this debacle, let's hear it.

Back in January, I read an article on Covid19 (i.e. more accurately, it should be called the Wuhan Virus) in a tech blog which did a spectral analysis of the virus. Some of it was over my head technically, but the gist was, while most components of the virus were natural, several were clearly man-made if you looked close enough. Based on my former life in the intel world, and what I knew about Chinese military capabilities, it raised my eyebrows and I made a mental note. Unfortunately, I didn’t keep a copy nor mark the link at the time. Can’t find it now when I search.

(By way of review, and something that hasn’t been focused on yet but will in the post-mortem, most of our political so-called leaders were focused on impeaching the President during the very period the Wuhan flu went viral and worldwide. Monumentally stupid in retrospect, but that’s a topic for another day.)

A couple of days ago, I was reminded of a thriller novel written in 1981 by Dean Koontz called “The Eyes of Darkness.” It’s rather freaky what he wrote about over almost 40 years ago, and when compared to what’s actually happening. The attached photo has the details. I can't vouch 100% for the photo's content and hope someone can prove it's a hoax.

IMO … the Wuhan virus is likely a bio-weapon. The main question is was it unleashed deliberately as part of a long-term supremacy strategy by China, or did they screw up and let it out accidentally. I think the latter is more likely.

Loving the wacko conspiracy theories. :1rotfl:

It would be pretty stupid of the Chinese to develop a bio-weapon, with no known antidote and a mortality rate...in single digits. :oops:

And the Chinese are anything but...stupid.

As for Koontz's book...


Was Coronavirus Predicted in a 1981 Dean Koontz Novel?


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Not buying it. If this is a "bioweapon", it is the lousiest ever conceived and developed. It has a relatively low mortality rate, a long prodromal period, generally spread person to person, and has a predilection for older people

A bioweapon should hit hard and fast with a high mortality and affect mostly younger people--like those in the military and those that can fight back.

Kind of like 9/11 and the subsequent anthrax scare was predicted by Tom Clancy in "Executive Orders"