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Advice from Canada:
http://http://www.siskinds.com/Publications/All/To-go-or-not-to-go-Left-turn-obligations.aspx And this from Michigan: http://http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2012/09/traffic_talk_should_you_enter.html |
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I only proceed into the intersection when traffic is light and there's all probability of me being able to turn on solid green. |
Halibut, YES YES, that's my point
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After reading these comments, it's clear we all have different opinions on what's safe when making left hand turns in big intersections. Perhaps the time of day should be considered. For instance at 1:00 PM the traffic is most likely at a high volume, making it unsafe to sit in an intersection waiting to make a left hand turn. Most likely you will be in the intersection after your light has turned red, which is illegal. At 9:00PM, when traffic is at a low point it is probably safe to creep into the intersection to make a turn. With that being said, if you are the first car at the stop bar waiting to make a left hand turn, as another poster pointed out it's not always a good vantage point for seeing oncoming traffic, especially if there is a car in the opposite direction waiting to make their left hand turn. Perhaps the car behind you or a car two cars behind you have a better site line for seeing whether it is safe to make that turn or not. So here's where the problem arises.....since those cars behind you have a better site line to see if it safe to make a left hand turn or not and you being the first car don't have a good site line, that's when the horns start blowing! Then, you as the driver in the first car get intimidated and decide to proceed with the turn even though you don't have a good sight line.....and BANG! Another car plows into you at 50mph or more. So, if you are sitting behind someone making a left hand turn and they chose not to make the turn when YOU think they should, maybe they can't see well enough to do so safely. Please give them a break. Is the extra seconds or minutes really worth someone's life? Also, if you have two cars in an intersection turning left coming from opposite directions, which I've seen many times, it makes for a very confusing area. I just can't see where waiting in the intersection to make a left turn when it is busy is safe, regardless of the rules.
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Another accident
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Common misconception. It is not illegal. If you cross the stop bar on green (creep into the intersection), it is legal to complete your left turn after the signal turns red. It is called clearing the intersection, and is an expected part of a properly functioning intersection. I have no intent to blow my own horn or anything...honest! :) But Just for the record, I have a Master of Engineering degree from the University of Florida Transportation Institute, where I specialized in traffic engineering. I then worked for 30 years in various aspects of road design and traffic engineering. The turn I describe above, when executed properly at a well-designed intersection of course, is safe, efficient, and perfectly legal. |
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Based on your background, you must know that there are many busy intersections in Florida where the left turn green arrow turns solid red in both directions when the main light turns green in both directions. It seems that the intersection at Morse and CR466 is headed in that direction based on the number of cars and lack of visibility and number of accidents. |
Newly installed signals at US301 & CR466 have the flashing amber left turn arrow.
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Yep. Totally different situation. No left turn when the signal controlling left turns is red. The "creep into the intersection" movement applies to a left turn green ball only. |
Polar Bear,
I wouldn't think there would be that much traffic where you come from. Did you have snowbirds too? |
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Lived most of my adult life in Tampa Bay. Snowbirds yes, but lots of traffic year round. |
Polar Bear,
Are both Arctic Circles navigated clockwise? Or are they opposite? |
It IS the nuts behind the wheel and since the snowbirds have arrived I hear sirens at least twice a day
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