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JGVillages 07-25-2014 06:18 PM

The SECO protection is for your electric at the breaker box. The Lightning rods are there to divert a strike, that could go through the roof and in our case rupture our gas lines, into the ground. We have the SECO protection and are seriously considering the lightning rods to get the maximum protection. It still can happen but having peace of mind makes the situation a lot more bearable.

folkh 07-25-2014 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mixsonci (Post 907724)
OK, all this talk about lightning knocking out power and equipment in the homes has really got me thinking I need to do something about it now. Even though I am not living in my house yet, it can still effect circuit breakers and other equipment. I do have tenants but that certainly won't prevent lightning knocking everything out. Anyway, in a round about way, what I am asking is: I have seen on this thread recommendations for A1 Lightning to cover the whole house with a Lightning Rod or something like that, I believe, however, I just read under contractors someone mentioned calling SECO and having them install a Whole house surge protection for $5.95 per month.

What is the difference and is one better than the other? I heard A1 can run about $2000, so if the SECO option is just as good I think I'd rather go that route? Thanks for your help.

Two different things. Just had A-1 do our home.

buggyone 07-25-2014 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JGVillages (Post 913369)
The SECO protection is for your electric at the breaker box. The Lightning rods are there to divert a strike, that could go through the roof and in our case rupture our gas lines, into the ground. We have the SECO protection and are seriously considering the lightning rods to get the maximum protection. It still can happen but having peace of mind makes the situation a lot more bearable.

I have both the lightning rods and the SECO surge protection. Both were on my house when I bought it. I feel pretty safe in storms like we had today.

renielarson 07-25-2014 07:11 PM

Important information about lightning rods published by SECO. It's long, nevertheless important, that you read the entire article.

Lightning & Surge Protection:

Is there any other lightning protection used in Florida for houses other than an indoor surge protection system, like lightning rods or ground rods?
Lightning rods, more correctly called air terminals (or Franklin rods after the inventor), are used in Florida. There are several companies located in Lake and Marion counties in the telephone directory listed under "Lightning Protection Equipment." Most electrical contractors should also be able to make a recommendation. SECO does not recommend any specific provider or vendor. Correct installation is the key and it is expensive. Lightning rods are by design a device that attracts lightning. When installed correctly to code, they divert the stroke to ground. The problem is that many people do not want to spend the money necessary to make secure connections from the rod to a sufficient size down lead cable to a proper ground with proper connection, or to pay to have them routinely inspected. Therefore what happens is the rod attracts lightning, and it sees the internal house systems as a better "route to ground" and ends up dissipating throughout the home causing major damage.

Securing a good, low resistance ground rod connection in Florida is hard to do and requires professional assistance to achieve using precision ground measuring equipment. Typically at SECO we will often drive 70 foot, or multiple rods, in a grid configuration and in a few places 90 feet of rod with connections cad-welded to the rod in order to achieve a ground below 30 ohms. Therefore the single 6-8 foot rod purchased at a hardware/electronic type store is virtually useless with undersized and poorly clamped wire tied to it and it can cause more problems than without. Most communications towers (cellular, broadcast stations and virtually all government complexes) at major locations utilize a device called a dissipation array which deters lightning from wanting to strike a structure in the first place. This technology also requires a good ground grid around the complex and proper low resistance grounding. Normally this would not be seen utilized on a residential home. If you look at a broadcast tower and see a circular device on top with many little wire brush like spikes coming out of it, that is a dissipation array. For more information and practical solutions, contact Customer Service to schedule a visit to discuss things that you, as a homeowner, can do to enhance your in-home protection system, such as our surge protection program, common point grounding and insuring that outlets are properly wired with a ground attached to the proper terminal in electrical sockets.

Another thing to keep in mind when trying to compare Florida weather to that of the northern states is that we live in the highest lightning strike region of the nation, the actual center of which is located near Lakeland, Florida. Only one place in the world, a section of Africa, is higher. Therefore, you will find the lightning strike activity in our area more vicious and more frequent than experienced anywhere else in the U.S. This means that what might work in other areas may not be sufficient or work here at all.

We opted for a surge protector and not lightning rods.

buggyone 07-25-2014 07:54 PM

Go to Lake Sumter Landing and notice that the pavilion and the buildings have lightning rods. I am sure that the Developer and his team of experts knew what they were doing. Of course, make sure they are properly installed and I doubt that anyone, anywhere, has the ground rods 70 feet deep for a residential home.

Jaggy 07-25-2014 08:16 PM

We had our tree hit tonight. . Got ac back and lights but garage door fried, cable & internet boxes fried and one tv . Hole in ground - rocks from flower bed flew - we r in Bonnybrook. I am on my phone eating my data plan

getdul981 07-25-2014 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 913418)
Go to Lake Sumter Landing and notice that the pavilion and the buildings have lightning rods. I am sure that the Developer and his team of experts knew what they were doing. Of course, make sure they are properly installed and I doubt that anyone, anywhere, has the ground rods 70 feet deep for a residential home.

I agree with the above. Also, whtn you go to Disney World, look around at all the buildings there. They all have lightning rods. I don't know, but I bet that the SECO main office has them too. We are in the estimate gathering phase and I think we will probably go with A-1.

Taltarzac725 07-25-2014 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaggy (Post 913432)
We had our tree hit tonight. . Got ac back and lights but garage door fried, cable & internet boxes fried and one tv . Hole in ground - rocks from flower bed flew - we r in Bonnybrook. I am on my phone eating my data plan

Sorry to hear that. Millie was probably very scared too. Beau certainly was by his evening's storm. I had to shut down the computer for about 90 minutes just in case we got hit again like last month.

Taltarzac725 07-25-2014 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lauren Sweeny (Post 913346)
Lynnhaven house must have just got a hit with lightening ,do not know where 6 :13 now! Oh scary time!, CRACK .

Situations where I do not like to see 6:13. Anything having to do with electrical storms and Lynnhaven.

mixsonci 07-26-2014 05:37 AM

Not sure if this matters and may be a silly question, but due to the fact that all the electrical lines are now underground (I'm used to them being on poles above ground in the North) since Lightning Rods are used to divert the lightning from your house to the ground...does that make sense since the electrical cables are now in the ground? It sounds like we are diverting the lightning directly to the cables?

TVMayor 07-26-2014 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mixsonci (Post 913515)
Not sure if this matters and may be a silly question, but due to the fact that all the electrical lines are now underground (I'm used to them being on poles above ground in the North) since Lightning Rods are used to divert the lightning from your house to the ground...does that make sense since the electrical cables are now in the ground? It sounds like we are diverting the lightning directly to the cables?

That is an excellent and thought provoking question.

drdodge 07-26-2014 09:57 AM

lightning
 
feliu pl is not in lynhaven it is in hacienda

drdodge 07-26-2014 09:57 AM

lightning
 
feliu pl is not in lynhaven it is in hacienda hills

Lightning 07-26-2014 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by brightspot01 (Post 913390)
Important information about lightning rods published by SECO. It's long, nevertheless important, that you read the entire article.

Lightning & Surge Protection:

Is there any other lightning protection used in Florida for houses other than an indoor surge protection system, like lightning rods or ground rods?
Lightning rods, more correctly called air terminals (or Franklin rods after the inventor), are used in Florida. There are several companies located in Lake and Marion counties in the telephone directory listed under "Lightning Protection Equipment." Most electrical contractors should also be able to make a recommendation. SECO does not recommend any specific provider or vendor. Correct installation is the key and it is expensive. Lightning rods are by design a device that attracts lightning. When installed correctly to code, they divert the stroke to ground. The problem is that many people do not want to spend the money necessary to make secure connections from the rod to a sufficient size down lead cable to a proper ground with proper connection, or to pay to have them routinely inspected. Therefore what happens is the rod attracts lightning, and it sees the internal house systems as a better "route to ground" and ends up dissipating throughout the home causing major damage.

Securing a good, low resistance ground rod connection in Florida is hard to do and requires professional assistance to achieve using precision ground measuring equipment. Typically at SECO we will often drive 70 foot, or multiple rods, in a grid configuration and in a few places 90 feet of rod with connections cad-welded to the rod in order to achieve a ground below 30 ohms. Therefore the single 6-8 foot rod purchased at a hardware/electronic type store is virtually useless with undersized and poorly clamped wire tied to it and it can cause more problems than without. Most communications towers (cellular, broadcast stations and virtually all government complexes) at major locations utilize a device called a dissipation array which deters lightning from wanting to strike a structure in the first place. This technology also requires a good ground grid around the complex and proper low resistance grounding. Normally this would not be seen utilized on a residential home. If you look at a broadcast tower and see a circular device on top with many little wire brush like spikes coming out of it, that is a dissipation array. For more information and practical solutions, contact Customer Service to schedule a visit to discuss things that you, as a homeowner, can do to enhance your in-home protection system, such as our surge protection program, common point grounding and insuring that outlets are properly wired with a ground attached to the proper terminal in electrical sockets.

Another thing to keep in mind when trying to compare Florida weather to that of the northern states is that we live in the highest lightning strike region of the nation, the actual center of which is located near Lakeland, Florida. Only one place in the world, a section of Africa, is higher. Therefore, you will find the lightning strike activity in our area more vicious and more frequent than experienced anywhere else in the U.S. This means that what might work in other areas may not be sufficient or work here at all.

We opted for a surge protector and not lightning rods.

I would like to offer for your consideration several points on this message.

First, if you believe that you need lightning rods select from installers who are listed by Underwriters Laboratories and their installers have passed the exams offered by the Lightning Protection Insistute. Not all listings in the Yellow Pages will have these credentials. They may tell they do. They may also tell you that they use UL components but that is not the same as noted in the above qualifications. Most electrical contractors are skilled with NFPA 70, the National Electrical Code, designed to prevent you from being injured by electricity but may have no expertise with NFPA 780, the national standard on lightning protection systems. In fact on most commercial and industrial jobs they will sub them out to the lightning experts.

Second, lightning rods DO NOT ATTRACT lightning they simply give it a safe path to ground. See University of Florida Professor Martin Uman’s book, The Art and Science of Lightning Protection, page 17 that can be found in The Villages Library.

Third, the reason that you engage a UL and LPI listed installer is because it is their job to make sure that the system they install meets the standard on grounding using a megatester. In some places the soil may be sandy and they may have to go 30 ft. But surprisingly there is a lot of clay soil here and they may only need to go ten feet. It is not your problem – that is why you hire a qualified installer.

Fourth, when you speak of the broadcast tower it sounds like you are describing a nonconventional lightning protection system. See Dr Uman’s book on page 76 that disputes the efficacy of these systems. Also, search on line for a report regarding unsatisfactory performance of a nonconventional system at Sea World a couple of years ago.

GoldenHurricane 07-26-2014 10:36 AM

It's not even 11:30 am Saturday, and I've already heard my first rumble of thunder. This year's "summer afternoon" rain pattern is becoming monotonous.


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