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Penguin 01-16-2012 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 440323)
Oren. I don't think a mistake has been made. When you get here you will be able to see that it looks right. I think the box is in the right location. All of the homes are set back on their lots on that street and the back yards aren't big. It is what it is.

Angie just sent me the plat map and it does look like they all should be on the lots behind Penguins and his neighbors. That would be the public utility's responsibility wouldn't it? Seems like some digging and moving is in order.

I have made the album Penguins castle public in All albums above. Poor Penguin, he isn't here. I can only imagine how nervous he is. I feel so bad for his worrying and I am trying to think what we can do to help him resolve this. We could forward this whole thread to Janet Tutt...

That sounds like a good idea. Could someone send all this to a person with some authority. Maybe some of you guys know how to get things moving. I tried my sales person but got nowhere. Thanks. I'm hitting the phone hard tomorrow to try and get someone to take notice.

villages07 01-16-2012 06:00 AM

Janet Tutt is responsible for Villages district government and has nothing to do with new construction.

Your best bet is Jennifer Parr, head of sales, or the building department - Mark Morse is the uber exec in that area. Let your agent know you are elevating this issue.

janmcn 01-16-2012 08:57 AM

Have you tried contacting your contractor? His name should be somewhere on your documents. You could also contact SECO, the electric company. I don't know who does inspections: if it's a county thing or a state matter. Anybody out there know this? Good luck.

Carla B 01-16-2012 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Oren L Miller (Post 440316)
I believe a tragic mistake has been made here. I believe the box is in the wrong location. You are getting excellent advice from a lot of well wishers here on the forum. The best news is you haven't been to the closing yet. You need to determine what TV can do to appease you. 1. Do you want a new house and have them put you in a place to live until it is done? 2. Do you want the cost of the house reduced because the house resale value could be jeapordized by this problem? 3. Do you want some really nice landscaping done to the back or your lanai to reduce the "green box eyesore" and safety concern? I certainly hope you can collaborate your way into something that would appease you. Maybe it is a combination of reduced price and landscaping. I believe TV will do something to appease you. DO NOT sign the papers at closing until you are appeased. You may need to lawyer up on this but I think that is a last resort and is some money that can be saved right now. Is there something in the house that you wanted but didn't request? Maybe you can trade this problem for some new quartz or granite countertops. Do you want some new hardwood flooring? Don't sign the dotted lines until you are truly satisfied. At the walk through you need to use the simple term that this is not acceptable. Have your plat of survey with you and just tell them that this is not accep:cus:table.

Since this is time critical and it will take time to find out how this mistake was made, I think that Oren has a good plan. That means putting the sales department (Jennifer Parr) on notice.

Without sizeable concessions from TV, you will be stuck with a house that either you can't sell or will likely sell for much less than you paid. Buyers of preowned houses have lots of choices and can be very picky. The sales department knows that.

angiefox10 01-16-2012 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Penguin (Post 441024)
That sounds like a good idea. Could someone send all this to a person with some authority. Maybe some of you guys know how to get things moving. I tried my sales person but got nowhere. Thanks. I'm hitting the phone hard tomorrow to try and get someone to take notice.


I sent a note via email to The Villages several days ago. I haven't heard anything back but didn't expect to. I didn't know who to send it to and it was a general address.

I will send one to my sales rep as well and ask her to get it to the right person.

Pturner 01-16-2012 01:46 PM

Penguin,
I agree that you do not have time to make a bunch of phone calls trying to determine who messed up when.

I would have an attorney send a letter to Mrs. Parr and your salesperson letting them know that let lot as currently configured isnot what you agreed to purchase as represented on the plat and that you therefore, do not intend to purchase it with the utility box on it.

If this is the case, the letter could state that you want the utility box moved off the property or you want a different lot.

Phone calls to people who cannot delay or stop your closing until the issue is resolved will not do you any good that I can see. And of course, any resolution agreement needs to be in writing.

If you had more time, you might be able to resolve this on your own without help from legal counsel. But you don't. An attorney from IL could right the letter for you if you don't have one in FL.

CarolSells 01-16-2012 02:28 PM

Another thought...
 
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Originally Posted by Pturner (Post 441206)
Penguin,
Phone calls to people who cannot delay or stop your closing until the issue is resolved will not do you any good that I can see. And of course, any resolution agreement needs to be in writing.

If you had more time, you might be able to resolve this on your own without help from legal counsel. But you don't. An attorney from IL could right the letter for you if you don't have one in FL.

I always agree 199% with everything PTurner says but I'm wondering if Penquin wouldn't be better off, most particularly for the sake of time, going ahead and finding a FL Real Estate Attorney ASAP because I wouldn't want any delays or questions arising about the IL attorney's ability to practice in FL. and real estate law varies from state to state. Surely someone on here has settled with a closing attorney that didn't represent the Villages. Any help here?? You could PM him - don't have to post names here. JMHO.

Penguin 01-16-2012 03:19 PM

After a dozen phone calls to Village personel and lawyers here's what I got. All the documents that were given to me and I signed, none had any information locating that transformer where it currently is. I was told the actual plat was not shown to me so that I could have made a better decision on which lot i chose. In other words,if I had been shown the actual plat, and saw the transformer, I would'nt have chosen that lot. Get a load of this, I just got a call back from the closing Dept and they said I wont get a plat of survey cause I'm paying cash for the home. They said I could order a survey for $250. The problem is I dont need a survey of what is on the lot now I need one of how they got the placement of the transformer. I think I'm just about done with this. I'm so aggravated that Its better that I refrain from any other comments at this time but I'm not through yet. I'm leaving tomorrow to drive down for the closing on Friday. Not sure how all this will turn out but I love you all for everything you've done to help. Maybe I should just thank my lucky stars for what I have.

graciegirl 01-16-2012 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Penguin (Post 441237)
After a dozen phone calls to Village personel and lawyers here's what I got. All the documents that were given to me and I signed, none had any information locating that transformer where it currently is. I was told the actual plat was not shown to me so that I could have made a better decision on which lot i chose. In other words,if I had been shown the actual plat, and saw the transformer, I would'nt have chosen that lot. Get a load of this, I just got a call back from the closing Dept and they said I wont get a plat of survey cause I'm paying cash for the home. They said I could order a survey for $250. The problem is I dont need a survey of what is on the lot now I need one of how they got the placement of the transformer. I think I'm just about done with this. I'm so aggravated that Its better that I refrain from any other comments at this time but I'm not through yet. I'm leaving tomorrow to drive down for the closing on Friday. Not sure how all this will turn out but I love you all for everything you've done to help. Maybe I should just thank my lucky stars for what I have.

banks and offices are closed today. try them tommorow.

RichieB 01-16-2012 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Penguin (Post 441237)
After a dozen phone calls to Village personel and lawyers here's what I got. All the documents that were given to me and I signed, none had any information locating that transformer where it currently is. I was told the actual plat was not shown to me so that I could have made a better decision on which lot i chose. In other words,if I had been shown the actual plat, and saw the transformer, I would'nt have chosen that lot. Get a load of this, I just got a call back from the closing Dept and they said I wont get a plat of survey cause I'm paying cash for the home. They said I could order a survey for $250. The problem is I dont need a survey of what is on the lot now I need one of how they got the placement of the transformer. I think I'm just about done with this. I'm so aggravated that Its better that I refrain from any other comments at this time but I'm not through yet. I'm leaving tomorrow to drive down for the closing on Friday. Not sure how all this will turn out but I love you all for everything you've done to help. Maybe I should just thank my lucky stars for what I have.

Something doesn't sound right about that, like why should the fact that you are paying cash dictate that you will not get a copy of the plat ? From all that has been mentioned here, it would seem that someone is trying to pull a "fast one."

I've heard of "caveat emptor," but this is ridiculous !

Best of luck to you with this. I think you're going to need it.

tommy steam 01-16-2012 06:04 PM

the box
 
Do you think that the salesman who sold you the lot could have told you what location it was before you bought the lot?..Is it worth while to hire and outside contractor who knows about these things?

Bigben007 01-16-2012 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RichieB (Post 441264)
Something doesn't sound right about that, like why should the fact that you are paying cash dictate that you will not get a copy of the plat ? From all that has been mentioned here, it would seem that someone is trying to pull a "fast one."

I've heard of "caveat emptor," but this is ridiculous !

Best of luck to you with this. I think you're going to need it.


You are right, "Something doesn't sound right."

Jim 9922 01-16-2012 06:12 PM

Absent a full survey and not considering the problem of the transformer box, you should at least get written certification before closing that the home is in compliance with all setback rules.
It seems to me that with any new home, whether you pay cash or finance, a final plot survey should be required at closing as proof of compliant construction. It will also be useful in the future when you might consider an addition or modification to the property. You should know exactly where your setback lines are and will be asked for such references by the zoning board when making changes to the exterior. For example we once replaced a condensing unit with a larger one and had to furnish the plot survey to prove that the new pad was in compliance. (And by the way as I understand it , setback is measured from the edge of your eves or gutters, not the footprint of the building)
When selling the home you should have handy the certified plot map or survey to show a prospective buyer. I have never considered making a serious offer on a home (3 so far and 4 more with friends) without a pre-look at the certified site plans/survey. I know you can aways use a survey as a "contingency out" but why waste your time when one should be available in the first place.

Bill-n-Brillo 01-16-2012 06:13 PM

Give 'em hell, Penguin!

Bill :)

tommy steam 01-16-2012 06:19 PM

[QUOTE=Penguin;440152]Hi everyone, first let me thank all of you who showed your support for me on this issue. I spoke with my sales rep today and she said that after speaking with her manager ( whoever that is ) that he said the map the electric company uses placed the transformer in the correct spot. My reply was that I was never made aware in any of the documents provided to me, that the transformer was to be placed there. She agreed but said the best that can be done is to move the door and concrete pad to the opposite side of the lanai. She also said that was suprised that someone let this issue get to this point without saying anything. In other words someone knew something was'nt right. She also said that from now on she was going to be very specific letting her future customers know everything about the lots they choose. Bothers me that it wil be at my expense. And now after reading the posts of not being able to plant around the transformer, I"m at my wits end. I'm really trying to remain calm and optomistic but there's got to be something that can be done, unfortunatly I dont know what it is. I'm sorry but I really feel like I've been misled and am very disappointed with The Villages in general. My sales rep did offer to pay for this herself, bless her heart, but I said that was'nt necessary. So I'm still thankful and hoping for the best.[/QUOTE May I ask ,who was your sales rep?


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