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graciegirl 01-14-2012 11:52 AM
Did this work?

Nope. Sometimes I can download pictures into a post and sometimes not. I have made an album in all albums above called Penguins Castle. I believe all of my contacts can see it.

graciegirl 01-14-2012 11:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oren L Miller (Post 440316)
I believe a tragic mistake has been made here. I believe the box is in the wrong location. You are getting excellent advice from a lot of well wishers here on the forum. The best news is you haven't been to the closing yet. You need to determine what TV can do to appease you. 1. Do you want a new house and have them put you in a place to live until it is done? 2. Do you want the cost of the house reduced because the house resale value could be jeapordized by this problem? 3. Do you want some really nice landscaping done to the back or your lanai to reduce the "green box eyesore" and safety concern? I certainly hope you can collaborate your way into something that would appease you. Maybe it is a combination of reduced price and landscaping. I believe TV will do something to appease you. DO NOT sign the papers at closing until you are appeased. You may need to lawyer up on this but I think that is a last resort and is some money that can be saved right now. Is there something in the house that you wanted but didn't request? Maybe you can trade this problem for some new quartz or granite countertops. Do you want some new hardwood flooring? Don't sign the dotted lines until you are truly satisfied. At the walk through you need to use the simple term that this is not acceptable. Have your plat of survey with you and just tell them that this is not accep:cus:table.
Oren. I don't think a mistake has been made. When you get here you will be able to see that it looks right. I think the box is in the right location. All of the homes are set back on their lots on that street and the back yards aren't big. It is what it is.

Angie just sent me the plat map and it does look like they all should be on the lots behind Penguins and his neighbors. That would be the public utility's responsibility wouldn't it? Seems like some digging and moving is in order.

I have made the album Penguins castle public in All albums above. Poor Penguin, he isn't here. I can only imagine how nervous he is. I feel so bad for his worrying and I am trying to think what we can do to help him resolve this. We could forward this whole thread to Janet Tutt...

Larry Wilson 01-14-2012 12:12 PM
Oren,
Another great post!

Never sign a closing until you are satisfied.
Once you close, I have heard of the Villages going back on promises. Happened with me many years ago. Some lights had not been installed in one bathroom. I finally got them but I did much work and time to get it done. I had it in writing too. Just one excuse after another. I wished I had not signed. We were put under pressure to sign as everything was set to go on closing date and we were told lights would be done but they weren't. An inspector found the missing lights as it looked fine from the outside.

Neighbor never did get the lights finished as they were older and just didn't want to fight. They could get by with what lights they did put in.

A large group of homes got new siding and roofs because they had been built wrong. I mean a large group including whole streets. I believe the POA helped with this.
For the third time-good luck!

angiefox10 01-14-2012 12:13 PM
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CaptJohn 01-14-2012 12:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin (Post 440152)
Hi everyone, first let me thank all of you who showed your support for me on this issue. I spoke with my sales rep today and she said that after speaking with her manager ( whoever that is ) that he said the map the electric company uses placed the transformer in the correct spot. My reply was that I was never made aware in any of the documents provided to me, that the transformer was to be placed there. She agreed but said the best that can be done is to move the door and concrete pad to the opposite side of the lanai.
I have also been a professional cartographer for over 30 years plotting real estate maps and have corrected thousands, yes thousands, of errors on maps done by others. I would demand a copy of the overall subdivision map showing the location for the transformer and also demand a copy of the SECo map as well as go to see a SECO manager. There could have been revisions or errors or who knows but you have a short window of opportunity to get to the bottom of this even if it means delaying the closing as that is your only leverage. Right now is probably your only chance to get anything done to your satisfaction. You have to take charge. The salespeople are not working for you. Good luck. Many of us care.

RichieB 01-14-2012 12:26 PM
Very nice of Gracie and her husband to take those pix.

To me, they shed a different light on things.

Looks to me like many others are in the same boat as Penguin. :sad:

Not very big "back yards" are they ?

angiefox10 01-14-2012 12:29 PM
The transformers are on the wrong lots all the way down the street.

It won't affect every home on the block, a home unless the box is right in front of the lanai. In those cases, The Villages should be doing some sort of enhanced landscaping to around the lanais so the box is not so visible.

Personally, I wouldn't sign the contract until the problem was resolved. There are many ways to do this. I'm sure if they put their heads together, they can figure it out.

Mikeod 01-14-2012 12:57 PM
What is the financial risk in not closing? When we bought, we had to put a quick $2K to hold the house followed by 20% within a short time with the rest at closing. But ours was/is a spec home. If there are similar funds required in building your own here, are these funds at risk by not closing when TV specifies? If they are, I guess you have to determine whether the loss is worth it compared to the immediate concern as well as the probability of a reduced resale value.

In looking at the pictures, it appears that the utilities were placed in the wrong spot OR the homesites were not placed right. Every other neighborhood I've seen has the boxes straddle lot lines, not be placed entirely on one lot. I agree with CaptJohn that Penguin needs to see the plans from TV and SECO and compare with the plan seen when picking the lot.

graciegirl 01-14-2012 01:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeod (Post 440351)
What is the financial risk in not closing? When we bought, we had to put a quick $2K to hold the house followed by 20% within a short time with the rest at closing. But ours was/is a spec home. If there are similar funds required in building your own here, are these funds at risk by not closing when TV specifies? If they are, I guess you have to determine whether the loss is worth it compared to the immediate concern as well as the probability of a reduced resale value.

In looking at the pictures, it appears that the utilities were placed in the wrong spot OR the homesites were not placed right. Every other neighborhood I've seen has the boxes straddle lot lines, not be placed entirely on one lot. I agree with CaptJohn that Penguin needs to see the plans from TV and SECO and compare with the plan seen when picking the lot.
Our green box doesn't straddle. Neither do they down our street or any street in our village or on the lot in Hadley, our old house. I think that the lot size is the factor here. My advice is to be sure that you get as much lot as you want. Many do NOTwant big lots to care for anymore. We are all getting older.

Skybo 01-14-2012 01:02 PM
Quote:
The Customer Will: (In this case the developer/builder)
- provide a transformer pad location per SECO specifications. For residential dwelling
units, the transformer shall not be located closer than 15 feet from a door or window to
the habitable portion of the dwelling unit (to minimize noise problems).

- maintain access to SECO to padmounted equipment located on the Customer's
property (ten feet of clearance from the door side and three feet of clearance from other
sides from items such as fences, shrubs and other obstructions
The above was quoted from Carol’s post #96. Gracie posted that it’s 11’ 2” from the house to the lot line and the transformer is inside the lot line. The access door appears to be facing the house. I don’t see how the location of this transformer conforms to either one of the SECO requirements listed above.

What am I missing?

(Good job on the photos and measurements Gracie)

Also, from reading these posts, it's my understanding that Penquin's original survey plat did not show a transformer on the property. Now, I agree...they have to go somewhere. But if I were choosing a lot to build on and I specifically chose a lot for it's lack of a transformer and then they put one there anyway...I too would be very upset.

angiefox10 01-14-2012 01:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeod (Post 440351)
What is the financial risk in not closing? When we bought, we had to put a quick $2K to hold the house followed by 20% within a short time with the rest at closing. But ours was/is a spec home. If there are similar funds required in building your own here, are these funds at risk by not closing when TV specifies? If they are, I guess you have to determine whether the loss is worth it compared to the immediate concern as well as the probability of a reduced resale value.

In looking at the pictures, it appears that the utilities were placed in the wrong spot OR the homesites were not placed right. Every other neighborhood I've seen has the boxes straddle lot lines, not be placed entirely on one lot. I agree with CaptJohn that Penguin needs to see the plans from TV and SECO and compare with the plan seen when picking the lot.
According to the map, they do not straddle the lot line, but are instead on the lots in back of these lots.

Again, his Plat of Survey does not indicate any of these boxes giving him legal grounds.

Please pull out your surveys, you will see EVERYTHING that is on your lot with a legend explaining what everything on your survey is.

NONE of this is on his survey!

Larry Wilson 01-14-2012 01:07 PM
I would think they should of put the boxes between the houses.

Yes Gracie, it was very nice of you to take those pics.

Oren, you sound like a good lawyer. Everyone is giving good advice.

I've been on TOTV way too much today. Can you tell my golf and advanced volleyball was canceled because of the cold?

Its still a beautiful sunny day. Best to everyone.

CaptJohn 01-14-2012 01:10 PM
The facts: look at the map for yourself
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by angiefox10 (Post 440339)
The transformers are on the wrong lots all the way down the street.

It won't affect every home on the block, a home unless the box is right in front of the lanai. In those cases, The Villages should be doing some sort of enhanced landscaping to around the lanais so the box is not so visible.

Personally, I wouldn't sign the contract until the problem was resolved. There are many ways to do this. I'm sure if they put their heads together, they can figure it out.
Thanks to angiefox10's quick thinking, she emailed me the subdivision map and I have taken an image of the area in question and it clearly shows none of the boxes should be on Penquin's lot number 145 but the lots behind his (lot 147 for the X=transformer and lot 148 for the C=cable and T=telephone ). See for yourself.
Penguin, I'd get a Florida lawyer (not connected to TV) to
tell them to move the boxes and all related underground wires off my property before it closes. Looks as if they've made a huge mistake and need to take responsibility and do the right thing in your favor.

Skybo 01-14-2012 01:45 PM
:clap2::clap2: Hurray for Angie, Oren and CaptJohn. Good luck Penguin!

Carla B 01-14-2012 02:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skybo (Post 440377)
:clap2::clap2: Hurray for Angie, Oren and CaptJohn. Good luck Penguin!
Yes, great sleuthing, the three of you! Just curious, since you have the subdivision survey, how many lots does this one transformer supply?

Will a title opinion reflect this error? On Monday I'd find a real estate lawyer in this area and get an opinion before going to closing.


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