Talk of The Villages Florida - Any pros and cons on ez golf carts with new lithium batthey vs. yahama gas

Page 2 of 2

1 2

Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

Talk of The Villages Florida (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/)

- The Villages, Florida, General Discussion (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/)

- - Any pros and cons on ez golf carts with new lithium batthey vs. yahama gas (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/any-pros-cons-ez-golf-carts-new-lithium-batthey-vs-yahama-gas-326169/)

Tbrazie

11-10-2021 12:03 PM

ecart

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laura Pintar (Post 2027331)

We have had our gas cart for 5 years and like the quiet of electric plus no need to go get gas offen. Heard Starr and par car not good, but what about EZ GO with new Lithium battery

We have the EVOLUTION electric with Li battery and love it. Check it out.

spofford

11-10-2021 12:11 PM

We have a after market lithium battery in 2019 Club Car. Runs all over the villages and have built in charger on board. If you are nervous about distance,(we get 50 plus miles a Charge and a high speed motor), all you need is a heavy duty extension cord to charge. .
Also have a 2001 Club Car with lead acid batteries and we comfortable with a range of 35 miles.Our battery life had been 3.5 years, as golf cart does sit for 3 months a year.

Vermilion Villager

11-10-2021 01:38 PM

I wonder if they will install chargers at or near the town squares especially the new ones? Makes business sense to do that...go shopping or eating (AKA spend money) or dancing while you battery gets a quick charge....win/win!

dewilson58

11-10-2021 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travelhunter123 (Post 2027462)

If you are going to go electric, check out the Atomic golf carts
They are;
Air Conditioned
Heated
Much more leg room
Adjustable seats
Windshield wipers and washer
Sirius XM Radio
Back up camera
Real headlights
Street legal
And much more
Similar price to Yamaha and Ezgo
I love mine would never get anything else

Forgot to mention...................You get to slam the doors twice per golf shot!!!!! LOVELY!!!!

Flyers999

11-10-2021 03:29 PM

I purchased a 2012 Yamaha 48-v YRDE electric five years ago when my wife and I moved to The Villages. I bought it from a person on craigslist. It needed a dashboard and enclosure, which I bought from The Villages Golf carts in Spanish Springs. Total I paid $4k. Last year, I replaced the batteries(Motive), which I bought, again from the same place(TV Golf Carts) for $1000. I’m able to play any golf course North of 466A, so I’m going to stick with the electric; for now, I’m happy paying $1k every four years for batteries. I should mention that I only use the cart for golf, if I used it for everyday errands I would get a gas cart with metal/glass doors.

There’s no right answer here. As mentioned, the gas carts are smelly, noisy and they need period maintenance that any gas engine needs, i.e., change oil, sparkplugs, etc. There’s no such thing as a quiet gas engine. Ever hear of a quiet motorcycle or gas lawn mower? Many of the Villages cart paths go near homes. How would you like for a motorcycle to pass next to your back yard every three minutes? Even the aforementioned Yamaha Quiet-tech is not as quiet as an electric cart. And all of them get louder the older they get.

As far as the environment, 80% of a Lead-Acid battery is recycled.
Lead-Acid Battery Recycling: What You Need to Know - CJD E-Cycling
The same can’t be said for a Lithium battery. On the other hand, a Lithium battery lasts longer so fewer of them are disposed of every year.

Another country heard from. :blahblahblah:

Vermilion Villager

11-10-2021 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyers999 (Post 2027702)

You absolutely CAN recycle Lithium batteries!!!
Sustainability | Tesla

JMintzer

11-10-2021 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2027706)

You absolutely CAN recycle Lithium batteries!!!
Sustainability | Tesla

According to "non-Tesla" sources, Tesla recycles about 60% of the battery...

kkingston57

11-10-2021 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2027666)

Forgot to mention...................You get to slam the doors twice per golf shot!!!!! LOVELY!!!!

Agree, except for at or near a green. Then you get at two or more shots for two slams. I have seen guys take 6-7 shots around greens, particularly bad bunker players.

Vermilion Villager

11-10-2021 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2027715)

According to "non-Tesla" sources, Tesla recycles about 60% of the battery...

I noticed you forgot to name the "non-Tesla" sources.....Did you hit the reply button too soon????

JMintzer

11-10-2021 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2027723)

I noticed you forgot to name the "non-Tesla" sources.....Did you hit the reply button too soon????

Happy?

What Does Tesla Do With Old Batteries?

jojo	11-10-2021 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JTLoehnert (Post 2027507)

In Amelia too and also from Columbus. What part? I have an Evolution lithium cart, love it.

Not sure if you are referring to my post. We lived in Upper Arlington for 37 years.

dewilson58

11-10-2021 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2027717)

Agree, except for at or near a green. Then you get at two or more shots for two slams. I have seen guys take 6-7 shots around greens, particularly bad bunker players.

Let's not even mention if there are two golfers in one of those tin cans.

:1rotfl::1rotfl:

tophcfa

11-10-2021 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travelhunter123 (Post 2027462)

If I want all that, I will drive my truck. If I want a golf cart experience, I will take the Yamaha. And as Dewi pointed out, I don’t want to open and close a door for each golf shot.

brooksey649

11-10-2021 08:38 PM

Lithium

Check out the Evolution, Great price. Great warranty

EdFNJ

11-10-2021 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 2027354)

I have an electric with lithium. It has over 9000 miles and 2 1/2 years on it. I got 65-70 miles per charge on day 1 (a little less with heat or air cond running) and still get 65-70 per charge almost 3 years later (zero battery degradation). As for "time to charge" I plug it in once every 5-6 days at night and by morning it is fully charged. The charger is built in (like a Tesla :) ) and I just plug it in to the wall. No fuss, no need to go to a gas station or dump gas from a gas can,

My only suggestion is, **IF** you choose to get electric **ONLY** get lithium.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travelhunter123 (Post 2027462)

If you had noticed the "clues" in my post (heat and AC) you would know that is what I have. Actually it is my second one and have had them since they came to T.V. but even they have downsides the main one being they are ONLY game in town should something happen to them. If they are gone you are on your own. There likely isn't another place in the country AFAIK that sells or services "ATOMIC carts" (which are really Chinese street vehicles).. You can of course buy them yourself from Aliexpress.com for about 1/4 of the price if you want to buy 4 at a time, pay for shipping, import duty and pick them up at a port sonewhere on the east coast. If you search that site you will see ALL the vehicles they have sold in the past and that they sell now (and are NOT called ATOMIC.

DaleDivine

11-10-2021 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 2027354)

I have an electric with lithium. It has over 9000 miles and 2 1/2 years on it. I got 65-70 miles per charge on day 1 (a little less with heat or air cond running) and still get 65-70 per charge almost 3 years later (zero battery degradation). As for "time to charge" I plug it in once every 5-6 days at night and by morning it is fully charged. The charger is built in (like a Tesla :) ) and I just plug it in to the wall. No fuss, no need to go to a gas station or dump gas from a gas can,

My only suggestion is, **IF** you choose to get electric **ONLY** get lithium.

You only plug it in every 5-6 days and can still get 65 miles? that's pretty good.
:bigbow::bigbow:

dewilson58

11-11-2021 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe (Post 2028018)

In addition to that, China is a country with slave labor that has stolen our top secret data for decades in order to directly compete with Americans in technology and to build their military to a point where they are threatening us.

If you support China over American, you have more than golf carts to think about. You probably buy from Amazon over the Mom & Pop down the road because the "convenience" to you, so you support a multi-billionaire over a family trying to survive.

As you did, buying in The Villages.

:MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot:

jrref

11-11-2021 09:45 AM

What do you search for to see the atomic car vehical on that web site?

I'm also concerned that there is only one dealer for Atomic Cars in the US but i got a chance to look at their operation and it appears to be a nice setup but you are right, anything can potentially happen.

I'm also a little concerned on the lack of technical information on the internet and DIY groups modifying and or maintaining this cart. I'm sure it's not terribly complicated but i would like to know the manufacturer so if anything did happen to the dealer we could get parts. My guess is there are not enough sold yet and they probably have a good track and maintenance record or we would probably be seeing lot's of posts.

All these carts have pro's and con's but it depends on your needs. For me i wanted safety and comfort becasue i'm using it as local vehicle as well as a golf cart.

kkingston57

11-11-2021 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tbrazie (Post 2027631)

We have the EVOLUTION electric with Li battery and love it. Check it out.

Test drove an Evolution. I am 6ft 2 inches tall. Accelerator pedal is too close to the seat. My leg is almost at a 90 degree angle to the pedal. Not comfortable for me. 1 year ago, witth Vilages accessories, it was less than 10K including tax.

EdFNJ

11-11-2021 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaleDivine (Post 2027831)

You only plug it in every 5-6 days and can still get 65 miles? that's pretty good.
:bigbow::bigbow:

Correct. It's not really the "days" it's the miles because if I go 50 miles in one day then I would need a charge the next night but 99% of the time I do go 5-6 days. When I use HEAT or A/C it will be a bit less (the heater pulls a LOT more amps than the A/C) but I rarely use either. So comparing "apples to apples" as most electric carts have no heater or A/C 65 miles per charge is very accurate as I keep records of traveled miles between every charge. I could probably do another 5-6 miles but don't want to take the chance of running the battery all the way down to zero which would be the same for gas or electric because with either case you'd need 3rd party assistance. :) In 4 years I've only been stuck ONCE which was when the cart was 2 days old because I wanted to see how far I could go! It was 72 miles when it conked out. :)

Hacker1

11-11-2021 10:18 PM

Good experience with our Star Cart

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunny2403 (Post 2027455)

Star is a Chinese product. I would be concerned about getting parts for repair.

Star Carts are assembled in Greenville, SC, USA. Some of the parts are made in China, plus other countries, as are the parts for all or nearly all other golf carts.
We purchased a new Star Cart in 2010, after reading as many reviews of them as I could find.. I found that the nay sayers had not actually owned a Star Cart, while, almost without exception, those who had actually owned one had positive things to say. We have had very good service from our Star, also from the Star dealers, and have had no trouble getting the few parts we have needed. We've had no problems with range, we live in the central part of TV, and have driven the cart to the Nancy Lopez area, golfed there, and since the new bridges, have gone to the Fenney area and back with charge to spare. The original set of batteries lasted 6 years. The second set disappointed us by lasting only 3 years. They were Trojans, supposedly same as original, however, I was later told that Trojan company had been sold, & were then making inferior products. I now have a set of Deka batteries just under 2 years, so far so good, will have to see how they last. When we purchased the cart, the dealer gave us a great deal on a battery water fill system, that works great, we water about once a month, takes less than a minute. Uses about a gallon per year of distilled water.
In the next couple of years or so, I think we will be shopping the new Lithium Ion battery options. I think I like the Evolution as it appears to be more cart for the money, however I expect to look at several brands. Really appreciate this discussion, especially the experiences with the various brands of golf carts with Lithium batteries.

coffeebean

11-12-2021 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2027465)

You run out of gas on some cart path somewhere, and it's a relatively easy matter for someone to get some gas to you. I'm thinking running out of electricity under the same scenario would be an entirely different matter.

That is what Kart-Aide is for.

coffeebean

11-12-2021 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces (Post 2027479)

A jerky, smelly, noisy, hot cart that has NO guts? M'kay

I am given a Yamaha Quiet Tech gas cart as a loaner when I bring my electric (not Lithium batteries) Yamaha cart in for annual maintenance. I honestly can not get a Quiet Tech cart to have a smooth start, no matter how much I try. I've been told it is "operator error". For me, it is "jerky". It is smelly and definitely noisy compared to my electric cart. Hubby and I do not play golf so there is never a need for long distance range that the gas carts offer.

coffeebean

11-12-2021 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cneigoot (Post 2027622)

Please do yourself a service and check out the evolution golf carts at Village Discount Golf. I bought mine 2 months ago and absolutely loved it! Also, I think that they are less expensive than some of the other electric golf carts made by brand names like Yamaha Etc. The guy I worked with was called Ron Evans. They will work with you on a good deal. Good luck!

Do the Evolution golf carts have self cancelling directionals? That is one feature of my electric Yamaha that was not offered by other cart manufacturers other than Par Car at the time. We did not want a Par Car so we purchased the Yamaha. I will not own a golf cart without those self cancelling directionals.

blueash

11-12-2021 09:05 AM

Quote:

I noticed you forgot to name the "non-Tesla" sources.....Did you hit the reply button too soon????

Happy?

What Does Tesla Do With Old Batteries?

Thanks for the link which you post to support your contention that Tesla does not recycle 60% of their lithium batteries as a poster wrote. I read the link. Every single story on that website is an anti-Tesla story.
And even given that bias, the article says:

Quote:

Tesla says that it recycles 60 percent of the components from its lithium-ion batteries once they’ve reached end of life.

Then further in the story, which is filled with links appears this sentence:

Quote:

Unfortunately, the majority of dead lithium-ion batteries end up in a landfill or get stored for long periods of time.

There is no link, no reference and no evidence presented, just a sentence.
Elsewhere in the article is a link to a story on Medium. Click HERE to go to that story.

In that story it is reported that 60% of Tesla batteries are recycled and additionally 10% are re-used in other applications so that means 70% of the batteries do not go into waste.

The gist of all this is that lithium batteries in Teslas are aggressively being handled in a green manner, but also a cost reducing manner. Ultimately if recycling didn't make dollar sense it wouldn't be happening. If you want to hate on Musk, go ahead. If you want to hate on lithium carts, go ahead. But to attack lithium carts because their batteries cannot be recycled and something something Tesla, is not accurate, as proven by the link you provided.

EdFNJ

11-12-2021 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2028338)

It's because the engine stops when you come to a full stop. That reminds me of our first test drive of ANY golf cart when me moved down here in 2017. It was a Yahmamamahah and every time I STOPPED the engine (LOL or so I thought) STALLED. Drove me nuts and that alone eliminated the gasser for me. I absolutely HATE that. I have the same "feature" on my car which I have to disable every time I turn the key. I actually find it dangerous when having to merge into heavy or fast moving traffic from a stop in my CAR.

Shadow8IA

11-13-2021 01:22 AM

We went to buy an Ez-Go lithium this week. The only one the Villages carries is the Sirrius & we were told it can’t be set over 20 mph. Sometimes you need the little extra mph for passing. The Star can be set to 23mph. We’re still trying to decide what to buy & where to get it.

EdFNJ

11-13-2021 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2028355)

I agree but you can get around that with a $15 beeper that beeps so loud when you turn on your signals you'd have to be totally deaf not to hear it AND/OR an LED strip on the front left and right pillars that can be seen even in blazing sunlight.

EdFNJ

11-13-2021 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow8IA (Post 2028842)

They might be telling you that for legal reasons as well as liability reasons because if they do that the cart is no longer considered a golf cart by Florida law. If THE DEALER DOES IT, no matter what disclaimer you sign they are breaking the law. Once you get it, Google is your friend.

philnpat

11-13-2021 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmaccallum (Post 2027472)

EZGO has two 72 volt electric cart versions, Elite Lithium and and Deep Cycle (the one you water). Comparisons:

Both are 72 volt, however the Elite Lithium actually runs on a 56 volt system. The Deep Cycle is a true 72 volt system.

The Elite Lithium has a 11.7 hp (8.7 kW) motor. The Deep Cycle has a whopping 22.4 hp (16.7 kW) motor. For reference, gas carts have 13.5 hp motors. Deep Cycle power smokes a gas cart without smoking.

Both have AC controllers. The Elite has a 235 amp while the DeepCycle has a whopping 350 amp. More torque with the Deep Cycle, but both blow away the measly torque of a gas cart.

Both have direct drive motor shaft versus a clutch on gas carts. That’s why they get up and go so quick unless waiting behind a gas cart to slooowly get going especially up hills - say we have no hills in Florida - just get behind a gas cart when coming out of a tunnel or going across one of the big bridges, especially Spanish Springs!

The Elite Lithium requires no battery maintenance. The Deep Cycle requires watering. Watering once a month takes about 20 minutes or less than 5 minutes if you fork out $400 at the start for a watering kit. Then it’s less time and less messy than fueling up a gas cart.

Battery(ies) for both carts will last 7-8 years if taken care of - mainly watering Deep Cycle. At 5 years, cost to replace batteries on Deep Cycle is break even with gas cart’s fuel and maintenance over the same period. Get eight years out of the batteries and you are about $800 to $1,000 less than a gas cart over the same period.

Distance of travel will be about 25% more with Deep Cycle as compared to the Elite Lithium. Both will go from Spanish Springs to Fenny, play 18 holes of golf, and sight see on the way home with a lot of charge to spare.

Never visit a gas station with either, just plug in at home each night.

Cost per mile is about 2 cents for both versus 8 cents for a gas cart (does not include gas cart maintenance).

And, keep in mind these are not the 48 volt electric carts that formed most peoples opinion on electric carts. These are 72 volt, high torque, powerful, low maintenance carts with exceptional range.

As far as EZGO as a company, they are over 3 times bigger than their closest competitor.

I’m partial to the EZGO 72 volt Deep Cycle because I have a 2018. Best performing cart I’ve ever had. No maintenance except tire pressure and battery watering (get the watering kit). However, both are great carts. Smooth quiet ride, and no stink!

Hope this helps :popcorn:

And with my 2021 Yamaha gas I can make 2 rounds trips to Disney (not legally) and a round of golf at Havana with no worries.

coffeebean

11-13-2021 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 2029292)

Those loud directionals drive me crazy. I can hear them on carts that are clear across the road. Yikes....so loud. The self canceling directionals on my cart are silent but the cart has visible yellow LED lights at eye level on the pillars to let me know the directional is activated.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:32 AM.

Page 2 of 2

1 2

Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v2.0.32 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2025 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.