However, Pickleball courts are becoming quite crowed with more snowbirds yet to come. And my wife is having a difficult time reserving space in a below 466a rec center for her card playing group. I guess it all depends on what you see and or what you are trying to do.

Many posts in this Thread are strictly speculation. But I understand speculation can even be "fun" at times. The Developer excloses only certain information and keeps many of his playing cards close to his chest. With many outside investors wanting to cash in on future development by The Villages, it behoves The Villages Developer to release information subsequent to final purchase contracts and Government approval of plans.

Sit back and watch the show as it's going to be amazing. Fore!

So many assumptions and speculations this is making my head spin. At least most of the posts here aren’t as crazy as the comments on the article. Seems like most of the people there think this new development is open for all ages when in fact it will follow the same rules TV has always followed.

Why is everyone assuming these apartments and townhomes are Section 8/Low income and not just an opportunity for them to test the waters on offering residents a maintenance-free living situation. I’m sure many would jump at that chance after retiring.

And could somone please provide some examples of when they’ve expanded the community and more golf courses and retail haven’t followed, including Championship courses. Are Bonifay and Evans Prairie just mirages?

TV has been wildly successful and carefully planned. Why does everyone think this will be any different?

Boggles my mind.

Actually, TV breaks that model in that the golf courses and amenities go in FIRST, then they build the houses. Most other developments people buy the lot as the realtor/developer tells them "this will be the 4th green right behind your house..", how many of these have turned into failed dreams?
Here you know exactly what you're getting as these features are done before you buy.

Simply Stated
 

Unlike the song written by Joe South and recorded by Lynn Anderson the Developer did

PROMISE YOU A ROSE GARDEN

Yeah I guess saying they followed wasn’t accurate since like you said, they are often already in place.

Oh, well. I think I might get in the tin foil hat, or resale home business since so many folks are vowing to leave now.

Yep.

Did a pretty good job too. Ain't my first rodeo.

Always dependable in your assessment of things in my opinion. Well said.

Can someone explain why Sumter Grand is not considered apartments??? From what I understand they have available, if you choose to use it, meals, and cleaning services along with transportation but those are optional. Maybe, just maybe, these are the types of apartments they plan on building and again maybe not.

5K a month they are not your typical apartment,nice bar, nice dining facility--IMHO, unsecured parking is a deal breaker for some, especially if you own nice cars--my wife would like a place like Sumter Grander when she's single

So they are apartments, expensive, but apartments.

I guess there is some nic picking going on here. Yes, they are apartments, but these seem, and are being marketed as Assisted Living. If using the logic that assisted living facilities are apartments, the Freedom Point is apartments. The super big assisted living facility being build at 466 and BV are apartments. I don’t think these are the type of apartments being discussed.

I don't understand the point.....Inddpendent living facilities are a bridge for those that have difficulty maintaining life in a single home but are not at the point where they need assisted living. In some cases there may be a couple and one spouse has special needs and the other cannot provide those needs. It seems you are trying to compare these type of facilities with an apartment house and somehow convey a negativity. As I said, I don't understand what point you are trying to make.

Why worry unless you have a guarantee from God that you're going to be on the right side of the grass Tomorrow

If you're about $, why did you retire?--If you don't like the neighborhood, move

As you say, this is all assumption and speculation, but if true at all, your comments (in bold above) make the most sense to me. Many people today, seniors included, are re-discovering the advantages of renting. In fact, here up north not far from where I live we have a beautiful 55+ apartment style rental community. It is by no means a low income community and has many of the amenities that some of the ultra-expensive senior communities have, including gym, game rooms, outdoor walking trails, and the like. I know of several seniors myself in The Villages who would prefer to rent than own to eliminate the headaches of home ownership. For them, it has nothing to do with not being able to afford a home.

May also have something to do with projected changes in the financial demographics of many retirees in the next 7-15 years and thereafter. Fewer and fewer will have the advantages of corporate funded pensions that many of the boomers enjoyed. Thus they may well be entering retirement with only savings, working part time, figuring out when to take SSI early or hold off but no guaranteed monthly pension income, just maybe investment/savings income.

It could well be TV might want to experiment with some new lifestyles for the next generations to follow. just a thought.

I'm suggesting that the apartments rumored to be built in Southern Oaks may in fact be upper class buildings similar to Sumter Grand, that's a good thing I don't know why you feel I'm being negative. I noted in an earlier reply that there already were apartments in TV and noted Sumter Grand to be one of them, I was told they are not apartments but their advertisement states that they are in fact apartments that offer the extras some might need to be independent. NO NEGATIVITY INTENDED. I hope later in life if I'm ready for an apartment it would be in a facility similar to the Grand.

As someone stated previously, many people are rediscovering the joys of renting. We will be doing a long term rental starting in 2019. Overall, it will probably prove to be somewhat more expensive than a purchase, but we've had enough of ownership headaches and responsibilities. We will treat the home as our own, but without the drawbacks of actual ownership. We just want to enjoy a stress free retirement. If nice apartments or condos were readily available in TV, we would certainly consider that as an option. Different strokes for different folks.

Villages Expansion: a parallel
 

Do you know about Columbia, MD?

We bought there in our young married lives. It was going to grow only so big. But other developers, attracted by the increasing population and associated business opportunities, began building homes, apartments, shopping areas and services adjacent to the community. The picturesque farm behind our home -- a pleasant view that influenced us to buy the lot -- was sold for low-income apartment development. Kind of like the people who bought homes with a farmland view across 466a who will soon will be looking at a shopping center, plus heavy traffic.

It wasn't too long before 2-lane community roads became four lanes, and then six, in Columbia. Traffic signals had to be installed and traffic bottlenecks became commonplace. Rental apartments and leased houses fell into disrepair when tenants started getting government subsidies. The crime rate soared. Taxes went up to pay for expanded emergency services. Insurance rates also increased.

I'm glad we got out of there and would hate to see it happen again here.

Burgeoning economic growth has a downside. I hope TV's developer knows where the tipping point is.

You have a very good point!

Our next generation does not have to worry, they each get a house free and clear if they want to live here. One will stay other two is still up in the air, either way money in their pocket.

I am wondering if the “apartments” will border the freeway along with golf courses, and retail.

[QUOTE=Two Bills;1472326]""The amendment also removes a stipulation that residents must be age 55 or over, but would require that the project is consistent with federal and Florida fair housing requirements for age-restricted communities.""

What does this mean? Why would you maintain the housing requirements for an age-restricted community but not have an age requirement. I don't get it. Someone with more knowledge could you explain this?

[QUOTE=andercat;1474985]

It does seem to contradict itself. Call it govspeak.


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