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Bilyclub 08-29-2020 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisa22 (Post 1824835)
I'd like to add another possible consideration for the future of TV: the need for a new and high quality health care system to address the aging population. Is it possible that the new development projects along with their planned locations will help to address this future need?

The population aged 85 and older is the fastest growing age group in the U.S., and it is projected to be nearly six times as large by 2050 as this age group was in 1990. A 65-year-old person can expect to live another 17 years, and those who live to age 85 have an average of 6 more years of life remaining. This rapid growth of the oldest-old population will have a major effect on the health care system. (ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK232661/).

I am a 59 y.o. health care worker hoping to relocate and work/retire to TV in the next few years. I am thrilled to hear of the new Medical Village complex that will be developed in conjunction with the UF Health System. Is it possible that these new high-density developments will help to serve as alternatives to home ownership for older TVer's or help to attract high quality health care professionals in the short term as new medical services come on line?

I am one individual that is thrilled by the possibility of having a first rate health system in the same community that I wish to retire to as well as to be an individual that will also be able to contribute my knowledge and experience as a 25+ year health care worker coming from a top rated academic hospital system in the northeast U.S.

I wish to own a residence in TV someday and also share the concerns with how my future lifestyle will be impacted by high density living areas nearby.

Can someone help me to correlate whether these new developments are in close enough proximity to the current TV hospital and the future Medical Village complex? I am hoping that future needs for a first rate health system in TV helps to explain the recent developments that are occurring now?



Hacienda Hills is pretty close to the current hospital. The Lofts at Brownwood not close to the site of the new hospital. The new hospital/research is the green area on the map.

Continuing The Dream

Ismay C 08-30-2020 07:40 AM

Hello All- I was wondering about the influx of apartments as well. However I am living on a street with folks who have lived in TV for 20+ years and in conversation one woman said she is looking to downsize but did not want to move away from friends. These apartments were very appealing to her downsize maintenance, close to friends..

I do appreciate the investment analysis but I also appreciate the change in demographics as well. Just saying...

Ismay C 08-30-2020 07:43 AM

Hello All- I was wondering about the influx of apartments as well. However, I am living on a street with folks who have lived in TV for 20+ years. In a recent conversation with one neighbor, she said she is looking to downsize but did not want to move away from friends. These apartments were very appealing to her. She could downsize her living space, the maintenance and still be close to friends..

I do appreciate the investment analysis but I also appreciate the change in demographics as well. Just saying...

dewilson58 08-30-2020 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawk (Post 1825037)
I guess 40 years of failed experiments by the Morse family keeps them from figuring out what the market wants.

Sarcasm meter at full tilt.


We need a sarcasm emoji!!!

amorep 08-30-2020 09:03 AM

I find that with all these changes will come a point where the question "Why would I want to move to the Villages?" will eventually be asked. We are losing the lifestyle we bought into and I for one would not suggest it to a friend at this point. Soon it will become so crowded and the roads will be so packed that it will become unrecognizable. My real question is what will the reason be to chose the Villages?

dewilson58 08-30-2020 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by amorep (Post 1825249)
My real question is what will the reason be to chose the Villages?


:1rotfl:

Same as last year, Same as five years ago, Same as 20 years ago.

Laker14 08-30-2020 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 1824836)

The you either don't read the paper or just don't understand. Clearly they are always adding pickleball court and executive courses.

are they building any within a 20 minute cart ride of the new apartments at Hacienda?

Mistake by the forum: that's Jayhawk's quote, not mine.

Kilmacowen 08-30-2020 11:23 AM

Original poster Lisa 22, be prepared for a big drop in wage anywhere in Florida . You will not get the salary as the northeast, if dependant on that.

Lisa22 08-30-2020 11:32 AM

A big wage drop is ok with me. I simply want to become a Villager, make alot of new friends and still work a bit as I feel both too young and too insecure to retire completely just yet. I want to be a positive contributor to the community.

Jayhawk 08-30-2020 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 1825338)

are they building any within a 20 minute cart ride of the new apartments at Hacienda?

Your question was are they building more with the population growth and clearly they are.

I think we've beat this to death so I'll move on the the next Negative Nelly.

Laker14 08-30-2020 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawk (Post 1825423)
Your question was are they building more with the population growth and clearly they are.

I think we've beat this to death so I'll move on the the next Negative Nelly.

And the follow up question you refuse to answer was "are they building any new executive courses or pickleball courts within a 20 minute cart ride of the new apartments at Hacienda", which of course would be more meaningful to the neighborhood than new courts on the other side of the turnpike.

Well you can move on if you like. But the reason you are moving on is because the answer to the question is "no". The concern raised is how the increased population density resultant from adding the apartment building at Hacienda will increase congestion at the neighborhood amenities, e.g. golf and pickleball. You have repeatedly denigrated those concerns. They are real. Building new courses and courts in the newly developed areas, south of Brownwood will do little, if anything ,to alleviate the neighborhood congestion around Hacienda.
There is a legitimate and understandable reason to be concerned that this could be the beginning of a trend. Any of the country clubs could be handled the same way. There is ample reason to believe that if comes down to a choice between increasing revenues, or maintaining the current density of population of a neighborhood, the current owners/developers will grab the cash, and if the area gets more jammed up at the pools, courts, and executive courses, well, that's just too bad for the folks who invested in what they believed was a certain lifestyle.

Jayhawk 08-30-2020 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 1825458)
And the follow up question you refuse to answer was "are they building any new executive courses or pickleball courts within a 20 minute cart ride of the new apartments at Hacienda", which of course would be more meaningful to the neighborhood than new courts on the other side of the turnpike.

Well you can move on if you like. But the reason you are moving on is because the answer to the question is "no". The concern raised is how the increased population density resultant from adding the apartment building at Hacienda will increase congestion at the neighborhood amenities, e.g. golf and pickleball. You have repeatedly denigrated those concerns. They are real. Building new courses and courts in the newly developed areas, south of Brownwood will do little, if anything ,to alleviate the neighborhood congestion around Hacienda.
There is a legitimate and understandable reason to be concerned that this could be the beginning of a trend. Any of the country clubs could be handled the same way. There is ample reason to believe that if comes down to a choice between increasing revenues, or maintaining the current density of population of a neighborhood, the current owners/developers will grab the cash, and if the area gets more jammed up at the pools, courts, and executive courses, well, that's just too bad for the folks who invested in what they believed was a certain lifestyle.

I'm moving on because you bore me, but I will say there are ALWAYS openings on the executive courses and the pickleball courts north of 466, which is where these apartments will be. So you are wasting your valuable time continuing with your head in the sand. Get over it. They are building the apartments and it won't harm in the least. And people will still be able to acces the courses and courts that are lightly used in the north areas.

Bye Felicia.

npwalters 08-30-2020 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawk (Post 1825510)
I'm moving on because you bore me, but I will say there are ALWAYS openings on the executive courses and the pickleball courts north of 466, which is where these apartments will be. So you are wasting your valuable time continuing with your head in the sand. Get over it. They are building the apartments and it won't harm in the least. And people will still be able to acces the courses and courts that are lightly used in the north areas.

Bye Felicia.

I play pickleball north of 466. You are absolutely wrong. In the summer the courts are full every day. In the winter/high season it is normal to have a 20 to 30 person waiting line. That is true for EVERY PB court.

Laker14 08-30-2020 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 1825559)
I play pickleball north of 466. You are absolutely wrong. In the summer the courts are full every day. In the winter/high season it is normal to have a 20 to 30 person waiting line. That is true for EVERY PB court.

in the winter, the executive golf courses are fully booked, sunrise to sunset. You might be able to find a single opening somewhere, but essentially, all of the times are taken. The courses themselves are generally beat to smithereens from the constant onslaught of foot and cart traffic.

There are acres and acres of land still being developed, why not set up the apartments down there, where the opportunity still exists to build the appropriate infrastructure to the intended population density, rather than retrofit an apartment complex into an area not designed for that many people? Why? Because we can. Because we can make more money. Because we really don't care how it affects the existing neighborhood. Because no matter how much money we have, we still want more money.

collie1228 08-31-2020 11:01 AM

The Chinese have a saying, “Fu bu guo san dai,” or “Wealth never survives three generations.” America has its own version of this saying: “From shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations.” It is beginning to seem like The Villages has begun to be impacted by the "Third Generation Rule" of family business.


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