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quidam65 06-12-2012 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JLHart (Post 505004)
The key difference is that with government each individual has the ability to effect change ... your vote can and does count. Here in bubble world your daily life is controlled by the Morse family in perpetuate and you have little to no ability to effect change.

If you choose to live under those conditions ... so be it, go for it. But IMO if you think that you are freer by choosing to be regulated ... you are delusional.

as for the rest of your political analysis ... it is full of the typical rightwing strawman & red herring arguments.

If I choose to be voluntary regulated (by moving to TV) I can later choose to not be (by moving away from TV).

But if the government regulates me, to where can I go? Yes I can vote for someone who promises to lift the burden, but 1) s/he cannot pass or rescind laws alone, and 2) how many times has someone been elected on the promise of "hope and change", only to do the same things that his/her predecessor did, and many times more so?

As far as the rest of my arguments, those are not "rightwing strawman and red herring arguments". Blechman makes it crystal clear in his book that he opposes age-restricted communities outside of assisted living facilities. If you haven't read it, do so, especially the chapter titled "Cat in the Cradle" (yes it's named after the song, where he opines that people who move to places such as TV are like the father in the song who ignores his son in his younger days, only to have his son do likewise in his older ones).

Again, I'm sorry that upon moving to TV, you have suffered severe buyer's remorse. I hope that you can find a place more to your liking without suffering a severe financial penalty in doing so.

quidam65 06-12-2012 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 505020)
Is that what Blechman wrote? I only thumbed through Leisureville but did not get the impression that the writer wanted government to force covenants on home buyers. The NYT Times book review of Leisureville makes it sound like some 55+ Playboy mansion. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/bo...nd-t.html?_r=1

I have found that there are a good number of Democrats in the Villages. They just seem to like to stay in the woodwork more than the much more visible Republicans. There are also a lot of Independents.

Prior to the 1980's apartment complexes could designate themselves as "all adult" complexes. Not surprisingly, the units were very small as they were designed for no more than 1-2 people each.

But a change in the Federal law eliminated the "all adult" restrictions. So instead of forcing people to accept covenants, the Government removed the right to enter into voluntary ones. Here in DFW there were numerous all adult complexes, among the nicest in the area. Today, they are the most unkept, crime-ridden areas you can find, and you do not have enough money to pay me to live in any of them.

Blechman, though, never discusses the fallout from the removal of the all adult restriction. He focuses, though, on the one major exemption from the "no all adult" rule--the 55+ one that is the basis for the modern retirement community such as TV. And he opposes it strongly except for assisted living facilities.

Bogie Shooter 06-12-2012 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JLHart (Post 504899)
Your powers of psychoanalyzation suffer from acute lack of reading comprehension. I regret that the circumstances are necessary but accept them as part of life .... I HATE the place. Well, perhaps hate is to strong .... strongly dislike? .... loath? .... no, I hate it.

Someone so unhappy should get out now, what are you waiting for??

EdV 06-12-2012 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JLHart (Post 504899)
.... I HATE the place. Well, perhaps hate is to strong .... strongly dislike? .... loath? .... no, I hate it.

It’s unfortunate that you have so much disdain for TV that you feel it gives you the right to use this great forum for a bully pulpit to pour so much vitriol into a discussion and not realize that you will neither learn much nor convince many people of your point.

quidam65 06-12-2012 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by EdVinMass (Post 505045)
It’s unfortunate that you have so much disdain for TV that you feel it gives you the right to use this great forum for a bully pulpit to pour so much vitriol into a discussion and not realize that you will neither learn much nor convince many people of your point.

:bowdown:

Thank you. It's sad that not only does he dislike the area, or the structure, but the entire concept of voluntary restrictions on property. And even sadder, he seemingly supports Blechman's viewpoints.

But as I've outlined, Blechman doesn't just dislike the current structure of TV. If the Village Center and Sumter Landing CDD's were to be structured like the Districts 1-10 it would not suit him. Even if Mr. Morse and his progeny were to completely bow out of TV altogether he would still be unhappy. Blechman disapproves of the concept of the age-restricted community in its entirety and wants the Federal Government to outlaw it altogether.

Challenger 06-12-2012 12:23 PM

The Deed restrictions used in the Villages are not at all unusual in planned developments nation wide. I suspect there is much more to this posters displeasure than the literal enforcement of rules and regualtions.

I would not have bought any residential property in Fl that was not covered by comprehensive zoning and deed restrictions. Drive outside the Bubble into surrounding counties and see the mess that surrounds us

quidam65 06-12-2012 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 505039)
Someone so unhappy should get out now, what are you waiting for??

S/he is probably underwater on the property and can't sell without taking an unsustainable financial loss.

quidam65 06-12-2012 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Challenger (Post 505056)
The Deed restrictions used in the Villages are not at all unusual in planned developments nation wide. I suspect there is much more to this posters displeasure than the literal enforcement of rules and regualtions.

I would not have bought any residential property in Fl that was not covered by comprehensive zoning and deed restrictions. Drive outside the Bubble into surrounding counties and see the mess that surrounds us

Reading some of his responses (calling my arguments "rightwing strawmen" among them) it seems that he's uncomfortable with a Republican calling the shots on property that he has developed at his own risk (taking it initially from his father who was not doing well at all selling lots) and selling it to people who are voluntarily willing to enter into those restrictions. If Mr. Morse was a Democrat running the CDD's he would probably be OK with it.

I currently live in a house within a homeowners' association. They are becoming the norm rather than the exception. They have their issues and are not for everyone. I may decide when I get closer to retirement that the rules and regulations for TV are not for me either. If so, I will stay where I am or move someplace more to my liking. But I will not criticize those who develop property with covenants nor those who choose to buy therein.

janmcn 06-12-2012 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by quidam65 (Post 505058)
S/he is probably underwater on the property and can't sell without taking an unsustainable financial loss.

If you had read all the posts, you would have read that the poster is a caregiver for a parent so financial loss probably has nothing to do with leaving or staying. Also, the poster is younger than most residents and would probably prefer a place a little more hip where they could attend a Bruce Springsteen concert instead of Danny and the Juniors and maybe wants to do some top shelf shopping, something TV doesn't have. Just guessing. Those are the biggest complaints I hear about TV - no good entertainment and no good shopping.

graciegirl 06-12-2012 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 505089)
If you had read all the posts, you would have read that the poster is a caregiver for a parent so financial loss probably has nothing to do with leaving or staying. Also, the poster is younger than most residents and would probably prefer a place a little more hip where they could attend a Bruce Springsteen concert instead of Danny and the Juniors and maybe wants to do some top shelf shopping, something TV doesn't have. Just guessing. Those are the biggest complaints I hear about TV - no good entertainment and no good shopping.

ah yes. But think about 135 bucks a month for golf. To ME that is top entertainment.

Taltarzac725 06-12-2012 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 505089)
If you had read all the posts, you would have read that the poster is a caregiver for a parent so financial loss probably has nothing to do with leaving or staying. Also, the poster is younger than most residents and would probably prefer a place a little more hip where they could attend a Bruce Springsteen concert instead of Danny and the Juniors and maybe wants to do some top shelf shopping, something TV doesn't have. Just guessing. Those are the biggest complaints I hear about TV - no good entertainment and no good shopping.

Orlando is very close. I know some people who actually work somewhere in Orlando and commute back-and-forth from the Villages.

I do often miss things which are only offered in bigger metros like Shakespeare Plays and other first run theater experiences, concerts of current Number One artists, and the like. Cannot say I miss all the traffic though I would find in a place like San Francisco, LA, Denver, or Minneapolis getting to these events.

One good thing about the Villages, we do not have a FOX news station here. That might be a yet though.

jsw14 06-12-2012 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 505124)
Orlando is very close. I know some people who actually work somewhere in Orlando and commute back-and-forth from the Villages.

I do often miss things which are only offered in bigger metros like Shakespeare Plays and other first run theater experiences, concerts of current Number One artists, and the like. Cannot say I miss all the traffic though I would find in a place like San Francisco, LA, Denver, or Minneapolis getting to these events.

One good thing about the Villages, we do not have a FOX news station here. That might be a yet though.

Hmmmm, what does News have to do with entertainment??:shrug:

Bogie Shooter 06-12-2012 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jsw14 (Post 505150)
Hmmmm, what does News have to do with entertainment??:shrug:

Its the same thing at Fox News.

bimmertl 06-12-2012 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 505101)
ah yes. But think about 135 bucks a month for golf. To ME that is top entertainment.

Bet the non golfers don't think it's such a great deal!

BobKat1 06-12-2012 05:25 PM

It's hard not to notice that politics is always bubbling just beneath the surface in so many threads here on TOTV, and the slightest comment or observation wiil set off the usual political back and forth.

Question: Is it that way throughout TV or mainly an internet thing here on TOTV?

I ask because it would really be unpleasant to my wife and I if it were that way throughout TV with neighbors, friends and aquantances etc.

We both could care less what people's politjcal leanings are and frankly don't need or want to know.

I hope in the big picture of things that it's not an issue. Done with rant.


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