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ThirdOfFive 08-19-2024 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2361852)
Do those "trained individuals" live with you?

If not, they're useless in a break in situation...

Yep.

"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away".

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2361855)
Yep.

"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away".

Did my military time and hunted most of my adult life. I think I wouldn’t have too much of a problem giving a perpetrator a few extra body piercings free of charge!

kcrazorbackfan 08-19-2024 12:33 PM

With the judicial “catch and release” system that’s so prevalent nowadays, he’ll soon be out again and someday will break into the wrong house and then will be carried out in a body bag. Just a matter of time.

kcrazorbackfan 08-19-2024 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Retiring (Post 2361640)
The sound of racking a shotgun usually sends them running.

I really wouldn’t give them that warning; they’re in OUR HOME and I do not know what their intentions are.

Byte1 08-19-2024 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by eyc234 (Post 2361772)
We always smirk at the bluster that comes from people when these types of situations are reported. I would do this, I would do that and this is what would happen. Most people are not prepared or capable of making decisions quickly, decisively or controlled in situations such as this. Having been in this type of situation twice at prior residences it is not as easy as people think. Until you are in the situation you have no clue what you will or can do in the moment. Unless you have extensive training you are as likely to harm youself or someone else in the home. Also most people have never seen, heard or contended with a dieing or dead human being. Unless you train on a regular basis in multiple types of scenarios and conditions using a weapon, you probably will be less than proficient with the weapon. There are all kinds of decisions that must be made in split seconds and they have to be correct, one misstep and you or a loved one could be dead or injured. The last part of this is counting on the law to be your out when you kill someone. All you have to do is look at the recent trial of the woman in Ocala that is going to prison for killing another woman. Most people would be better served to try to avoid these types of confrontations and situations and use force as a last resort. There are trained individuals that are much better prepared and equipped to handle these situations.

You have one part correct. Be prepared. And many of us have been in life and death situations, therefore we have an inkling of how to respond. It's not "bluster" to discuss what one might do in an emergency situation. It's part of being prepared. I doubt anyone here leaves their doors unlocked and open at night, just wishing someone would break in. Yes, I have smoke detectors. I also have a fire extinguisher in case of fire, because I know it takes time for fire fighters to respond. Same with the police; it takes time. And time can make a difference between your life and death. I prefer that time work on my side. If one is scared of guns, then I agree that they should not own one. If one is more scared of harming a stranger than protecting their family, then.........they can live with the results of a lost loved one when things don't work out for them the way they imagined. Some folks stock up on water and batteries when there is a threat of hurricane. They hope that there won't be cause to use their emergency supplies, but prepare just in case. I'm not sure a loved one will be proud of their spouse that does nothing while they are being assaulted and raped. Life isn't fair. We just have to even the odds of survival against the unknown. If that means bars on your window and an alarm system, then that's what we do. I don't believe that everyone should own a gun. I just don't want someone telling me that they don't think that I should have one. Who knows, that person that protects his/her home by taking out a bad guy, may just be protecting your life or that of your spouse.

Pugchief 08-19-2024 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Retiring (Post 2361640)
The sound of racking a shotgun usually sends them running.

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2361658)
That's a myth...

Plus, you've just announced your location to the intruder...

Myth? IDK. Even if the intruder has a handgun, they're going to lose a fight with a shotgun 99% of the time. Now yes, they probably aren't too smart if they're breaking into a house, but I still like my odds, even if they now know my location.

cjrjck 08-19-2024 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2361091)
Make sure you’re proficient and that the situation warrants the use. And the ones that think they’ll be ok regardless....in a criminal/civil action....your posts will no doubt become part of discovery which for some here, could be problematic in a scenario as to judgement. Sometimes you just say something stupid without posting it. Save the Charles Bronson bravado for gaming

Typical. Why do you care what another person does in his own home if it is legal? Also, while being efficient with anything that can cause harm is good practice, there is no legal requirement that a homeowner demonstrate efficiency with a firearm when defending his home. In fact, to take it a step further, the new Constitutional (Permitless) Carry of Concealed Weapons in Florida doesn't even require proof of efficiency when carrying concealed outside the home.

Bogie Shooter 08-19-2024 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cjrjck (Post 2361896)
Typical. Why do you care what another person does in his own home if it is legal? Also, while being efficient with anything that can cause harm is good practice, there is no legal requirement that a homeowner demonstrate efficiency with a firearm when defending his home. In fact, to take it a step further, the new Constitutional (Permitless) Carry of Concealed Weapons in Florida doesn't even require proof of efficiency when carrying concealed outside the home.

Even that is damn scary.
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Pugchief 08-19-2024 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2361901)
Even that is damn scary.
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And yet, how many incidents of legal gun owners shooting someone by mistake have occurred since the law was passed?

ThirdOfFive 08-19-2024 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2361901)
Even that is damn scary.
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I can understand the logic behind it though. If it is a constitutionally-guaranteed right and no other issue prevents the carrier from carrying (such as underage, felon, etc.) then no test can be required to prove competency. There can be no competency test (again, assuming no other issues exist barring it) to exercise the right to vote for example.

But...yeah. Scary, nevertheless. There is a whole lot more to carrying responsibility than being able to point and hit what you're aiming at. Knowledge of applicable laws, for example, is tremendously important: where you're carrying, what transpired to cause the use of deadly force, etc., can all cause very unpleasant surprises if you DON'T understand the laws regarding carrying and responsible use of a firearm. I've been around firearms all my life and have had carry permits for twenty-plus years, but I would never carry unless I had the state permit class. It is just to risky.

Aces4 08-19-2024 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 2361881)
I really wouldn’t give them that warning; they’re in OUR HOME and I do not know what their intentions are.


Yeah, there was a story very recently, not in TV, of a police chase for a stolen vehicle with two guys in it. The chase was very dangerous with the stolen vehicle at one point driving down the wrong side of a boulevard at a high rate of speed in a large city. The suspects were being chased since they were suspected of breaking into many cars that day.

The chased vehicle finally crash and the suspects attempted to run but were caught. Laying on the front seat of the stolen vehicle was a loaded handgun. The suspects were 13 and 15 years old. I wonder what would have happened if someone would have approached them while they were smashing out car windows with a gun on one of them.

Cry me a river for the perps... I don't think so. chilout That's scarier than anything.

Shipping up to Boston 08-19-2024 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cjrjck (Post 2361896)
Typical. Why do you care what another person does in his own home if it is legal? Also, while being efficient with anything that can cause harm is good practice, there is no legal requirement that a homeowner demonstrate efficiency with a firearm when defending his home. In fact, to take it a step further, the new Constitutional (Permitless) Carry of Concealed Weapons in Florida doesn't even require proof of efficiency when carrying concealed outside the home.

I really don't care what you do in your home....if its legal. My 'proficiency' comment was just friendly advice. We have threads on here...where Villagers complain how close their lanais are...how they can hear others conversations etc. Parts of TV are extremely dense. I can see how you would take offense to me wanting someone to act within the framework....to avoid a chaotic situation where 'strays' could enter another dwelling of an unsuspecting neighbor. If you want to light up the night...be my guest. Ive had my LTC my whole adult life, been trained professionally and used in service occupationally. I wouldnt want to work with anyone that wasn't proficient...so why would I want to trust my personal well being in my private setting to an octogenarian neighbor who picked theirs up with their lottery tickets and Pall Malls....zero training. God forbid you ever find yourself in the situations that have been described here....and if you do, that you hit the intended target and not innocent bystanders (ie; another family member in the home or a neighbor). The law definitely protects you criminally....but not from civil suits resulting from negligence
... examples I've stated already. Only on ToTV could someone be offended by someone wanting proficient and responsible usage of a firearm!

JMintzer 08-19-2024 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2361888)
Myth? IDK. Even if the intruder has a handgun, they're going to lose a fight with a shotgun 99% of the time. Now yes, they probably aren't too smart if they're breaking into a house, but I still like my odds, even if they now know my location.

Ask any defensive shooting instructor. They'll tell you the same thing...

And whomever sees the other person first will win in that gun fight...

That is why you don't want to reveal your position, whenever possible...

JMintzer 08-19-2024 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2361901)
Even that is damn scary.
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Hell, some police department have minimal recertification requirements,,,

JMintzer 08-19-2024 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2361928)
I can understand the logic behind it though. If it is a constitutionally-guaranteed right and no other issue prevents the carrier from carrying (such as underage, felon, etc.) then no test can be required to prove competency. There can be no competency test (again, assuming no other issues exist barring it) to exercise the right to vote for example.

But...yeah. Scary, nevertheless. There is a whole lot more to carrying responsibility than being able to point and hit what you're aiming at. Knowledge of applicable laws, for example, is tremendously important: where you're carrying, what transpired to cause the use of deadly force, etc., can all cause very unpleasant surprises if you DON'T understand the laws regarding carrying and responsible use of a firearm. I've been around firearms all my life and have had carry permits for twenty-plus years, but I would never carry unless I had the state permit class. It is just to risky.

What about states that don't have a "state permit class"?

Many states hve gone to "Constitutional Carry" and no longer offer a class...

That said, I do believe anyone who carries should take the NRA Concealed Carry Class. But there are better classes out there for self defense training...


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