Thank you for the data. I have always believed this. As an ex motocross/supercross rider from the 70s, my favorite sayind was always "dress for the crash, not the ride". I never had a road bike, because I believed the risk is too great.

If I could give you more thumbs up, I would. Thank you for stating EXACTLY what I was thinking. Some folks would not get out of bed without permission by law. And some folks' thinking is so dangerous that they should consider wearing a helmet 24/7.
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Yes, and I bet some wish they would put mufflers on thunder. Personally, birds chirping in the morning is soooo bothersome and annoying...:)

Just to add to that, banning gas fueled vehicles will destroy our economy and add millions to the poverty level. UNLESS of course, someone is willing to PAY for all those workers by providing electric cars for them. You can purchase a gas fueled car for as low as a few hundred bucks that will get you to work, but even in the future, a battery powered vehicle would cost more than many workers can afford. Even getting one with dead batteries would cost at least a couple thousand to replace the batteries. Heck, it costs over a thousand to replace the batteries in a golf cart.
I can also imagine folks lined up along the road at charging stations, just to get a hundred more miles on their thousand mile journey.
I am sure that battery powered vehicles will have a place in the future, but until they focus on a more viable substitute for fossil fuel power, there will not be a ban of oil in my future. I am sure that man will destroy itself way before we run out of fossil fuel.

I doubt it. The tree huggers will complain about horse flatulence destroying our air quality.

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Exactly......

Why should We pay for your care?
 

The hurt is to all of us who pay for your care after a potential head injury! Sign a waiver, then ride as you wish.

So explain to me why there are traffic lights, speed limits, traffic control police officers? Why are there parking spaces at all? Why can't I just stop my car wherever I feel like stopping it? Why am I not "allowed" to park my car in front of a fire hydrant? My freedom is more important than your burning house. I shouldn't have to stop at a red light. In fact we should just get rid of all traffic signals.

And those one-way signs? Heresy, I say! My house is at THIS end of the street. Why should I have to drive ALLLLLLL the way around the other block just so I can enter on the other side of my street to get to my house? Don't I have the freedom of movement?

And now let's do drugs. Why can't JimmyJohn shoot up heroin in your driveway? Is it because it's your driveway? Well okay put him out on the sidewalk. That's public property, he should have the freedom to do whatever the heck he wants with his body on public property.

Next up: private property trespassing. You don't have the right to restrict my movement. It's against my freedom to move! Therefore, I have the right to hop the fence at your back yard and make myself at home. In fact, if I see a nice steak in the window on the kitchen counter, I have the right to eat. And you have food. So I'll just break in and take it. If you don't like that, then next time leave your back door unlocked.

See how stupid these examples are? We can go down the slippery slope into absurdity any time you want.

But there are checks and balances to things - they're called laws, rules, regulations, consequences.

If you do something that has an effect on society, then society has the FREEDOM to ensure that what you're doing will have minimal negative impact. And you have the FREEDOM to a) not do that thing at all, b) comply with the rules, c) accept the consequences if you get caught not complying, or d) live somewhere else that doesn't have those rules.

Ban stupid journalists? Are you serious? That would be the end of the "news". We wouldn't even have the unreasonable facsimile we currently experience.

Hmm, I think I DID sign when I wrote out a check to the insurance company.
There are a lot of things that folks do that I think are silly or stupid, but that is their business. I suggest that those that have a problem with motorcycles, skateboards, roller blades, golf carts, sky diving, fatty eating, alcohol consumption, etc. mind their own business because it really is NOT hurting anyone else.

Rude......

Don't you just love these Intelligent intellectuals spelling police that never made a typo.

Oh, but loud noise saves lives........:1rotfl:

I know years ago the high schools, while teaching driver's Ed. introduced films in great detail of auto accidents that specifically showed the mangled cars and the gory injuries and dead bodies....horrible to watch and yes a scare tactic- but effective.
Something like that should be required by the insurance company when purchasing Mc insurance.
I know allot of us feel we are pros, can handle anything...gonna ride into the wind. I can totally appreciate the rush. But I would wager a large amount that every one of the Mc riders on this post have all had a close call.
Just saying..

Your example here is false in many ways.

Here's just one:
There are a lot less cycle owners with or without helmets that qualify for your comparison to anything to do with the above.

You mention the term: I don't want the law telling me this and that."
I'll bet you must have a hell of a time when the laws say you need to pay your taxes.:1rotfl:

I agree!

It seems to me that insurance including Medicare is supposed to cover accidental injuries...
I see a lot of hypocrisy from a group of physically active senior citizens in these responses.
How many hip and knee replacements and orher joint injuries are funded by Medicare due to pickleball, tennnis, golf and other sports we enjoy and give our lives quality?
How many of us climb ladders to replace light bulbs and smoke alarm batteries? Mow our yards and trim our own bushes with dangerous equipment?
Use power tools like skill saws, drills?
Cars, golf carts and bicycles statistically have more accidents and injuries than motorcycles and most motorcycle accidents are caused by other road users.
How people judge, condemn and justifying limiting the activities others need or enjoy doing to maintain their quality and enjoyment of life should be viewed through a mirrored lens.

Batteries contain Lithium.
80% of which, along with other related minerals are controlled by China. Pretty soon, most job killing electrically powered vehicles will be made there.
How many more electric generating stations will we need to supply charging stations in our garages and along our highways and how will they be powered by massive bird killing China manfactured polluting turbine blades and thousands of China made solar panels (Solyndra anyone?)?
Pothole Mayor Pete is an expert
and is using rising gasoline prices and a potential EV taxpayer funded
$12,500 rebate to force us to go electric.
Enjoy the ride!

"Just saying" it's all about choice to live (or die) by our own decision and NOT about living according to someone else's mandate on HOW we should live. Some folks climb mountains. I wouldn't, but that is their choice.
Perhaps insurance companies should be required to show a prospective customer films of black lungs of dead smokers, heart damage to the obese, or knee replacement surgery to an athlete. Maybe bicycling should be banned in the Villages, due to all the accidents. And would you "wager" that everyone that rode a bicycle as a child have all had close calls? I've had no injuries on a motorcycle, but my close calls were ALL due to poor drivers of cars. I've had many injuries as a child when riding a bicycle.

They hypocrites whine because they do not enjoy what others have, so therefore you should leave it up to them to decide what you do and what you shouldn't do.

I sold my Goldwing's realizing I wouldn't heal as fast at 70 like I would at 30.

When I turned 70, I decided not to have any accidents that I would not heal from. It's worked so far.

From your post, you're under the assumption that I don't use he/him because it's easier than using he/she/they for every possible pronoun in my post. I use he as the default pronoun. Replace with whichever one makes you happy.

Common situation with motorcycles:

Amos is driving a car shortly after it rains. Amos is going to fast for a turn he's trying to make skids, and hits Malik, who is on his motorcycle. Malik is not wearing a helmet.

Malik suffers traumatic brain injury, or becomes paralyzed due to a broken neck.

Why should Amos's insurance - or even Amos himself - foot the bill for Malik's injury? It's HIS choice not to wear a helmet. Yes, the accident was caused by Amos. But if Malik had been wearing a helmet, Malik might have walked away from the accident.

Amos should have to pay for damage to the bike. And possibly all the medical bills that are NOT related to the head injury or broken neck.

But that's just not how it works, presently.

As for the pickleball stuff - maybe it's time health insurance companies add a "sports equipment" rule into their policies. If you're participating in a sport that has safety equipment available, and you choose not to use that equipment and suffer an injury, they won't cover the medical bills.

Why you need a law for common sense? Read posts on any thread asked and answered.

So, if one does not agree with another's lifestyle, it is prudent that they seek the gov to intervene and create a law forbidding that persons actions, even though they are not harming anyone else?

As long as they are electric…

And “couch potato 🥔 “ rule also.

Wow, just wow!

How many set in couch and become to big to walk and need ___________. Fill in blanks? Two side to the coin.

Auh...yeah..that was the point...a close call..I did not say caused by the Mc rider per say....its just dangerous in many ways...people don't see you and turn in frt of you. They stop short, change lanes etc,etc. So the Mc driver has to do double duty by driving defensively and being aware of all the nuisances of a bike. So with that, wouldn't a rider want to do everything they can to avoid injury.this is why you can't get bodily injury insurance protection in ny...the risk is too high.

and on that same subject of it not affecting others... it could also make an otherwise survivable accident turn into manslaughter instead, because a rider refused to protect themself.

It is interesting all the coach potatoes who are talking about banning motorcycling, bicycling, doing yard work, using a golf cart, etc. Many of these posters are obese, overweight, and unexercised, and they put an enormous burden on our healthcare system with all their ailments, diseases, and joint replacements. I ride a bicycle, do my own yard work, ride my golf cart and my motorcycle. I use a helmet bicycling, care when operating machinery, seat belts with my golf cart and ATGATT(all the gear all the time, including helmet.) when I ride my motorcycle. I am 75 and enjoy living life. I am 6 feet tall and weigh 160 pounds. I am in the best shape of my life. I never listen to all the risk averse old biddies. What ever happened to all of you worriers? When did you become so old?

I agree with your own words that those examples you used are stupid. All of them are a non sequitur. I never stated that you have an absolute right to do whatever you wish in society. I clearly said that I was talking about what only directly impacts a single person and not others. You asked why there are traffic lights, speed limits, traffic control police officers. Naturally because those things protect society in general. A motorcycle rider injured in an accident obviously only physically suffers his own injuries. Driving drunk endangers others. Speeding is hazardous to the driver and others. If I ride safely on a motorcycle and a drunk driver hits me he may be injured or killed and so may I, but my own injuries only impact me in that accident. I may suffer a broken leg, but that injury is only unique to me and not to the other driver. Let's talk about the "slippery slope" term that you mentioned. If someone is overweight and decides to eat sugary desserts or unhealthy fatty fried foods and ends up having heart problems should the government step in and mandate that people be restricted from eating junk food because health insurance costs are impacted? Should all drinking of alcohol be banned due to accidents both on and off the road? Of course not. Like I said before, freedom costs. I do not advocate chaos and anarchy. We must have laws to protect society so that the population in general is guarded against others that may cause harm. But if me not wearing a helmet only jeopardizes myself then I should have the choice of being dumb enough to not wear it. If I decide to engage in acrobatics and land on my head, should the government say I can't do that anymore? If I decided to not be vaccinated from Covid and others I come into contact with are vaccinated then what is the problem? Yet there is a current controversy about that. I have been vaccinated and believe that I should have been. Others have a different opinion. If they don't want to be forced to take the vaccine I am fine with that and support their choice. We all have an obligation to adhere to certain requirements for the general safety of society. However, we are not obligated at every level to forego our individual liberties because somebody else feels uneasy or inconvenienced by your individual choices, that do no harm to others. If one feels that is wrong then outlaw drinking, marijuana, fast cars, abortions, high risk activities, and anything else that could be construed as potentially hazardous. Many freedom minded citizens don't want big nanny goverment deciding every aspect of our lives. Helmets save lives, wear them. Maybe even in golf carts.

Well Ocala is the horse capital during the winter months for a lot of prime horse flesh...so maybe

You are correct. I absolutely do have a very difficult time with paying some of the nonsensical taxes we have to pay. A certain group of people also had a problem with taxation in the 1770's. I understand paying taxes for defense and police , etc. I have no issue with that. And exactly what is wrong with someone saying that they don't want the nanny government telling them what to do all the time when it doesn't harm anyone but themselves? I am not part of the flock of sheeple that is willing to bend to the governments intrusive, and many times constitutionally illegal regulations. Do you not have a limit to how much the government tells you what to do, or do you just blindly follow anything they tell you to do no matter how imposing it is on your personal freedom and rights? I comply with seat belt laws and would do the same with helmet laws if I were in a state that requires you wear them. I would wear one on my own anyway. I advocate wearing motorcycle helmets. Since there is no requirement in Florida to wear motorcycle helmets there is no law being broken and I'm in agreement with that. So you see I personally have no problem with the regulation in Florida as it is. The problem I have is when these agitators against current legal laws say that there should be a decree demanding that helmets should be mandated because they feel having the freedom of personal choice of not wearing a helmet raises healthcare insurance costs. And again so does obesity, lung cancer from smoking, driving fast cars. Freedom costs! I keep repeating that and somehow my comments are misinterpreted as those of being a contrarian scofflaw, when actually the law says you are not required to wear helmets. That fact seems to be lost to some. So who is being the contrarian here? I rode motorcycles many years and wore a helmet. I wear seatbelts every time I drive or ride in a car. I am in favor of wearing them and would not think of traveling without doing so. I am just not in favor of the government telling me I have to wear them when it only endangers me. Why is that so difficult for some people to understand when it is plainly explained in detail? What would you think if the government said you had to be in bed by 9pm every night because that is better for your health and will keep the costs of healthcare insurance down? What if they mandated wearing helmets in golf carts. I just so happened to have attended a golf cart safety seminar yesterday and a guest sheriff's deputy said many people in golf cart accidents are ejected from the golf carts and are seriously injured or killed. I don't hear anybody advocating wearing helmets while riding in golf carts. If they did come up with a rule saying that you had to wear a motorcycle helmet in a golf cart how would that impact your peripheral vision? It's hard enough to see from inside a golf cart with all the blind spots. Would that be a good idea? How many regulations are enough, especially when it does not impact the safety and the heath of others? There are people advocating censorship of speech now for "the good and safety of society". Does not personal liberty, free choice, or the Constitution mean anything anymore? Apparently not to far too many people nowadays.

EXCELLENT POST!!! :mademyday:

Totally agree with this one too. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Toooooooooooo Long.

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Funny, how the most complaints and suggestions of banning motorcycles/motorcycling comes from those that have NO experience operating a motorcycle. It's amazing how many busybodies insist on deciding the fate, restrictions, actions of others.
Can you imagine if a group of those busybodies decided that automobiles/cars were too dangerous and should be banned? Think of how empty the roads would be and how much safer it would be for motorcyclists, bicyclists, etc. Think of how much cleaner the air would be if only motorcycles were allowed on the highways. Ridiculous right? Ridiculous is a bunch of NON-motorcyclists deciding the fate of millions of motorcycle enthusiasts. But, but, but we did research and scientists say....blah, blah, and more verbal vomit.