I disagree with your analogy. The gate was keeping non villagers off of the golf cart paths. Forcing the excursion buses off Villages property is kicking Villagers out of their own community parking.

if five women are playing Mah Jongg at Rec Center xyz and then we decide to go to lunch outside of TV. PLAYER # 1 says she will drive. Are we allowed to leave our cars there while we leave ? And what if we decide to go shopping after lunch? Is there a time limit?

No.

And if five women decide to have a Tupperware party at the rec center so one of them can make money. it isn't allowed. And if five women decide to buy a bus and take turns driving people to the beach and tell their clients to park at the rec center, should it be allowed? Should there be a time limit?

And if a huge industry that backs gambling wants to advertise that their central Florida pick up is at The Villages and they can park at colony for a day trip to the boat, should it be allowed? Sometimes the powers that be know more than we do. Their decisions seem to have been wise so far. We don't really want outside, for profit entities using our common areas.

Why do you keep bringing gambling into this? Who is doing this?

I don't think anyone says the gambling buses should be allowed to use the rec center parking lots. So far as I know, they never have. We're talking about charter buses picking up residents to go on an outing.

I've been at Laurel Manor when a bus picked up a group to go to a baseball game. This was during the high season. Most of the day trippers parked in the far corner. There was still sufficient parking for rec center activities. The trippers were quiet, lined up and happy. It's a shame to take this away from them.

The practice of buses coming into TV to take people on day trips has been going on since I moved here 6 years ago and I'm sure it was done long before then. The outside bus companies offer a cheaper price then those inside. They offer different venue options then those inside. They have more buses then those inside. They let the clubs plan and price their trips & then charter one of their buses. The one thing they ALL have in common is the amount of parking spaces that the people riding on them take up. So it's not about the parking it's the money. Yea TV wants you to support the local company at a higher price then an outside vendor period. If 38 golf carts are parked in ANY location how does anyone know where those people are ? Before you ask that's about how many are needed for a 56 passenger bus and if needed they can park all 38 in 10 spaces.
This new change is affecting a lot more people then those few have been posting on here. Many haven't realized it yet as it hasn't affected them yet.

who has been unable to charter a bus as of today? all I've heard is BS, who so far has cancelled a trlp as a result? please don't bother to reply if you haven't because you can only answer with conjecture (BS) otherwise.

Uh, I think it's past the conjecture stage when it has officially been acknowledged that all the bus companies have been given trespass notifications. Or did I misread something? The fact that one hasn't cancelled a trip doesn't mean that the residents are not inconvenienced, or that they are not booking trips, or that they are not paying more to the "approved" company for the same service.

You are right.

"We" ..... for whom do you speak??

I feel the need to point out that the rec centres are owned by the district, and are actually private property, not"ours". District property, district rules. Just like the exec golf courses.

RW, I don't always agree with you, but you are absolutely right on with this one.

For MYSELF.

I don't. Do you?

I should have been more specific. I don't think it is a good idea to allow this to happen because it can open a can of worms. Establish a precedent and allow our common areas to be used for parking by people who would abuse the privilege. How about a Disney Shuttle advertising on TV for Park and ride at Colony? There must be a reason and typically we aren't being told what it is, but it isn't always for the Morses to make money.

WHY do you think large cities have bus stations? Usually a dreary place, bus stations.

I'm done with this discussion. Please continue saying how greedy The Morses are.

Mulligan, You know I don't know The Morse family and I certainly don't work for them.

But you are right. It is their bat and ball. AND usually things that they decide to do are the right decision for The Villages and us.

I took no position in my post.

I simply asked you to clarify who "we" included.

My wife and I enjoyed a nice day trip with Senior Adventures for Mothers Day. Dinner theater with the play Chorus Line. We parked at Recreation Plantation like we have for the last nine years no problem. They also pick up at the shopping center on the SW corner of 301 & Hwy 44 for the people living on the south side, again no problem.

A $40 million settlement indicates that the Morse's don't always act in the best interests of the residents. Don't get me wrong. I think this is a great place, and the Morse's did it. But I also don't view everything they do through rose colored glasses. One is being very naive to think this trespass notification to all services but the village vendor isn't money to some extent. I would not be surprised in the least to find that the villages ends up with an agreement with the other bus companies...for a piece of the action, of course.

Gracie can speak for me, too, but only when she agrees with me.

I absolutely love you Villager Joyce. And this forum.

And I didn't mean to challenge you Landlocked. You got a lotta smarts.

This has not been a good day so far. I let the sink run over because my aids weren't in.

Keep drinking that koolaid, gracie. You're precious. :1rotfl:

Yeah. So are you skippy.

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I am not sure this is totally correct. I will examine these points more closely when I have more time

Are you a lawyer?

So much for "I'm done with the discussion."

The Morse's are pretty adamant regarding a full day's work for a full day's pay...

You work for another developer? How's the pay?

And there is nothing wrong with that approach as I view it. The bus companies will work it out......if they want a piece of our action, TV will work it out if they want a piece of the tour action.

Looks like Recreation PLantation already has that rule in place?

Recreation Plantation/Senior Adventures basically charters the buses and leaves them open for anyone to buy a ticket. It's a good for system for them. Lovely trips to some nice venues.

Something like this might work for TV clubs but I doubt it. One, they deserve the convenience and perceived security of being picked up at a rec center. It is, after all, a club activity. Two, I can't imagine a club wanting to share their bus with strangers even if there were seats available and could make the cost a little less.

I'm trying to imagine what will happen when the BoSox play the Yanks in spring training. You now have two clubs who normally charter buses to go to the game but only one large bus available to rent. I feel sorry for the individual who would have to tell either a Bostonian or a New Yorker the bus has already been chartered, but they could rent a few airport-type vans to take their group or have to tell them they SOL. I'd do a duck and cover on that one.

I respect your opinions and that you have been here awhile and I have not. I golf twice a day so I meet about 6 new people a day. I haven't met anyone I wouldn't share a bus with.
I too often assume everyone thinks like me.

In general, I agree with you. However, we're talking about a group that knows each other. They're bringing food and drinks to share with each other. Can you imagine someone from Stonecrest being welcomed just because they bought a ticket? How about a family from Wildwood? They might not be rude to these folks, but I doubt they would be welcomed. Remember, we're talking a club activity, not a general TV type event.

A couple years ago a villages Phillies club was selling unsold game tickets with bus ride on TOTV. I called and bought one. When I went to pick up the ticket I was asked where I lived and I told him Stonecrest - no prob. He lived in one of the older friendly villages.

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Here's a thought, most of the old District Offices on Wedgewood Lane are empty as well as the parking lots. Probably room for 100 vehicles or more if parking is the real issue, why not let all the buses use those lots to free up a lot of parking space in the squares?

You drive over in your golf cart? :jester:

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Great Idea. I drive by that area most days and if parking is really the problem with buses than the solution has been found.

Is this village property on the north end of town that management may have overlooked?

It isn't about parking spaces, it's about the 'vig'.

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